DUST Search - Buff all sidearms or nerf the SMG?

Apothecary Za'ki wrote:

Pokey Dravon wrote:

Fizzer XCIV wrote:

Pokey Dravon wrote:

Well there is certainly a progression from Sidearm to Light to Heavy weapons in terms of general weapon behavior.

SMG > Combat Rifle > HMG
Flaylock > Mass Driver

Scrambler Pistol > Scrambler Rifle

Magsec SMG > Rail Rifle
Bolt Pistol > Sniper Rifle > Forge Gun

Ion Pistol > SHotgun?

Ion Pistol > Plasma Cannon seems more fitting.

Ehhh I dunno, the whole thing with the Ion pistol is the large magazine...but regardless I think you see my point. Id actually like to see the charge shot on the Ion pistol operate like a shotgun, and then offer an "Assault" verion to be a stand-in for the Gallente SMG/Mini Plasma Rifle. Sidearms are basicaly mini version of the light weapons, which in turn are mini version of Heavy weapons. Its actually a pretty good design philosophy to run with.

hmm a charged shot useing like 25% to 50% of the clip and in turn it fires multiple projectiles at once? hmm interesting idea.. i was just gonna hope they lower the Heat on the charged shot to mayybe 60%-75% so you can follow up with a few shots

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Cody Sietz Evzones 3866	Posted - 2014.08.18 21:15:00 - [1] - Quote It's going to be one or the other...or maybe even both now that I think of it. Anywhoo, Delta seems to be like it will be a sidearm rebalancing hotfix. So I think we are gonna need to start coming up with stuff to present to CCP and keep the SMG as it is while buff most other sidearms that need it. Also, we must be careful not to buff sidearms that were once OP and instead make them usable in there intended roles(No super ScP again) "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy Proficiency V. 1798	Posted - 2014.08.18 21:20:00 - [2] - Quote easy answer nerf the sh*t outta dat SMG best answer raise the sidearms to the lvl of SMG Amarr: Assault V, Scout V, Sentinel V, Commando V, Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11795	Posted - 2014.08.18 21:20:00 - [3] - Quote http://m.quickmeme.com/img/5b/5bf3a0aebf23495690aa08255e59652cbe6944d00b9c5e1cab872cf2241495c9.jpg Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
Izlare Lenix Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 855	Posted - 2014.08.18 21:21:00 - [4] - Quote In ccp fashion they will probably nerf the smg into the ground and buff the least used sidearm. Prepare to see tons of ion pistols on the killfeed. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
Death Shadow117 New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 293	Posted - 2014.08.18 21:26:00 - [5] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: It's going to be one or the other...or maybe even both now that I think of it. Anywhoo, Delta seems to be like it will be a sidearm rebalancing hotfix. So I think we are gonna need to start coming up with stuff to present to CCP and keep the SMG as it is while buff most other sidearms that need it. Also, we must be careful not to buff sidearms that were once OP and instead make them usable in there intended roles(No super ScP again) OMG delta is not about sidearms or tanks or whatever the **** else people say it will be. CCP already said itll be about commandos and logis read devblogs. Why?
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2869	Posted - 2014.08.18 21:55:00 - [6] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: It's going to be one or the other...or maybe even both now that I think of it. Anywhoo, Delta seems to be like it will be a sidearm rebalancing hotfix. So I think we are gonna need to start coming up with stuff to present to CCP and keep the SMG as it is while buff most other sidearms that need it. Also, we must be careful not to buff sidearms that were once OP and instead make them usable in there intended roles(No super ScP again) OMG delta is not about sidearms or tanks or whatever the **** else people say it will be. CCP already said itll be about commandos and logis read devblogs. I see no mention of Commandos and Logis in the devblog... Not saying they wont be in Delta, but Im curious to know what Devblog you're reading, because its obviously not the same as the one I am.
Hakyou Brutor Pure Evil. 1080	Posted - 2014.08.18 22:05:00 - [7] - Quote no pls dont ruin my op logi fit.
Tectonic Fusion 2019	Posted - 2014.08.18 22:18:00 - [8] - Quote Buff the Flaylock Pistol damage by around +100 or increase projectile speed and increase direct damage, buff Bolt Pistol range, make the Ion Pistol not suck lol
Gemini Cuspid 120	Posted - 2014.08.18 22:18:00 - [9] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: It's going to be one or the other...or maybe even both now that I think of it. Anywhoo, Delta seems to be like it will be a sidearm rebalancing hotfix. So I think we are gonna need to start coming up with stuff to present to CCP and keep the SMG as it is while buff most other sidearms that need it. Also, we must be careful not to buff sidearms that were once OP and instead make them usable in there intended roles(No super ScP again) At some level, sidearms are kind of one of the big problems of the game. A core flaylock is nearly like rolling around with a mass driver with 50% less ammo. And while we like to think of sidearms as really "sidearms" they essentially a replacement for the main weapon: a smg with the right fit is almost as bad as a HMG, a flaylock is like a mass driver with ion pistols now something of coming into fashion. Game balance is the big problem CCP can't achieve because there is too much sh*t in the game overall and the border between a "main" and "sidearm" isn't that clear. Buffing/nerfing any weapon is going to change anything really; this is a catch-22 of a fk'ed up situation that can't let anyone win. This is kind of the only FPS I can think of where a sidearm IS the main weapon for players and that kind of sheds light on CCP's planning and foresight.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2870	Posted - 2014.08.18 22:32:00 - [10] - Quote Well there is certainly a progression from Sidearm to Light to Heavy weapons in terms of general weapon behavior. SMG > Combat Rifle > HMG Flaylock > Mass Driver Scrambler Pistol > Scrambler Rifle Magsec SMG > Rail Rifle Bolt Pistol > Sniper Rifle > Forge Gun Ion Pistol > SHotgun?

Fizzer XCIV Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 96	Posted - 2014.08.18 22:38:00 - [11] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Well there is certainly a progression from Sidearm to Light to Heavy weapons in terms of general weapon behavior. SMG > Combat Rifle > HMG Flaylock > Mass Driver Scrambler Pistol > Scrambler Rifle Magsec SMG > Rail Rifle Bolt Pistol > Sniper Rifle > Forge Gun Ion Pistol > SHotgun? Ion Pistol > Plasma Cannon seems more fitting.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2870	Posted - 2014.08.18 22:51:00 - [12] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Well there is certainly a progression from Sidearm to Light to Heavy weapons in terms of general weapon behavior. SMG > Combat Rifle > HMG Flaylock > Mass Driver Scrambler Pistol > Scrambler Rifle Magsec SMG > Rail Rifle Bolt Pistol > Sniper Rifle > Forge Gun Ion Pistol > SHotgun? Ion Pistol > Plasma Cannon seems more fitting. Ehhh I dunno, the whole thing with the Ion pistol is the large magazine...but regardless I think you see my point. Id actually like to see the charge shot on the Ion pistol operate like a shotgun, and then offer an "Assault" verion to be a stand-in for the Gallente SMG/Mini Plasma Rifle. Sidearms are basicaly mini version of the light weapons, which in turn are mini version of Heavy weapons. Its actually a pretty good design philosophy to run with.
Cheydinhal Guard Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 173	Posted - 2014.08.18 22:57:00 - [13] - Quote Hakyou Brutor wrote: no pls dont ruin my op logi fit. I hope you don't actually use that...... abomination. AmarrAssault, GalAssault, GalLogi, CalScout GalLogi to the end
P14GU3 The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 841	Posted - 2014.08.19 00:29:00 - [14] - Quote http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=im4Tb_AXQig I only play dust514ums now. It was always more fun than the actual game anyways.
Patrilicus Trash Bucket 19	Posted - 2014.08.19 01:52:00 - [15] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: It's going to be one or the other...or maybe even both now that I think of it. Anywhoo, Delta seems to be like it will be a sidearm rebalancing hotfix. So I think we are gonna need to start coming up with stuff to present to CCP and keep the SMG as it is while buff most other sidearms that need it. Also, we must be careful not to buff sidearms that were once OP and instead make them usable in there intended roles(No super ScP again) OMG delta is not about sidearms or tanks or whatever the **** else people say it will be. CCP already said itll be about commandos and logis read devblogs. ahahahaha, you tool https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2268278#post2268278 Garbage Day!
Lloyd Orfay Commando Perkone Caldari State 33	Posted - 2014.08.19 02:18:00 - [16] - Quote Stat changes to any weapons are really not going to balance things out, or as effectively than trying to balance the weapons out through recoil, dispersion, and heat buildup. Functions in the weapons (like spool up time) really really can't replicate the role of recoil and dispersion as acting as a true drawback. Minmatar suits as a car chassis, Gallente suits for the plates, Caldari suits for shield, and Amarr suits for the seats.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 566	Posted - 2014.08.19 02:46:00 - [17] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: It's going to be one or the other...or maybe even both now that I think of it. Anywhoo, Delta seems to be like it will be a sidearm rebalancing hotfix. So I think we are gonna need to start coming up with stuff to present to CCP and keep the SMG as it is while buff most other sidearms that need it. Also, we must be careful not to buff sidearms that were once OP and instead make them usable in there intended roles(No super ScP again) i think the SMG is balanced it is the other sidearms which seem underwhelming.. SMG requires much more SP then any other side arm(sharpshooting) to be effective and its assault variant gives a nice lower pg/cpu weapon for logi who cannot fit a light weapon. from some light testing and use the magsec despite being a rail type weapon has far too much dispersal and the damage falloff is just pathetic over range never used flaylock or bolt so cannot comment on those.. ion is just pathetic.. the overheat from 1 charged shot kills the player cause that 3 second timer is just killer, it needs same mechanic for fireing as ScR scrambler used to be good till it was nerfed for what ever reason.. it needs to have faster fire rate on standard (not high damage) varient as it feels slugish and 8/10 times just gets you killed.. the normal one needs more ammo in the clip where as the higher damage one needs a little less DPS but a little more ROF while keeping clipsize as it is now TL;DR Balance sidearms around the SMG, useing SMG as the "control" group. [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 566	Posted - 2014.08.19 02:49:00 - [18] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Well there is certainly a progression from Sidearm to Light to Heavy weapons in terms of general weapon behavior. SMG > Combat Rifle > HMG Flaylock > Mass Driver Scrambler Pistol > Scrambler Rifle Magsec SMG > Rail Rifle Bolt Pistol > Sniper Rifle > Forge Gun Ion Pistol > SHotgun? Ion Pistol > Plasma Cannon seems more fitting. Ehhh I dunno, the whole thing with the Ion pistol is the large magazine...but regardless I think you see my point. Id actually like to see the charge shot on the Ion pistol operate like a shotgun, and then offer an "Assault" verion to be a stand-in for the Gallente SMG/Mini Plasma Rifle. Sidearms are basicaly mini version of the light weapons, which in turn are mini version of Heavy weapons. Its actually a pretty good design philosophy to run with. hmm a charged shot useing like 25% to 50% of the clip and in turn it fires multiple projectiles at once? hmm interesting idea.. i was just gonna hope they lower the Heat on the charged shot to mayybe 60%-75% so you can follow up with a few shots [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Zindorak 1.U.P 632	Posted - 2014.08.19 03:04:00 - [19] - Quote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgk-lA12FBk Pokemon master
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 4251	Posted - 2014.08.19 03:12:00 - [20] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: In ccp fashion they will probably nerf the smg into the ground and buff the least used sidearm. Prepare to see tons of ion pistols on the killfeed. Hadn't seen much of this since over the past few hotfixes. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley

Mikey Ducati Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 462	Posted - 2014.08.19 03:14:00 - [21] - Quote After all this time, you recognize thaf the SMG is allegedly OP.? Its a bit much what you ask. What is your sidearm? Excuse me but Im rather leery of your request. It doesnt feel comstructive.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2875	Posted - 2014.08.19 03:50:00 - [22] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Well there is certainly a progression from Sidearm to Light to Heavy weapons in terms of general weapon behavior. SMG > Combat Rifle > HMG Flaylock > Mass Driver Scrambler Pistol > Scrambler Rifle Magsec SMG > Rail Rifle Bolt Pistol > Sniper Rifle > Forge Gun Ion Pistol > SHotgun? Ion Pistol > Plasma Cannon seems more fitting. Ehhh I dunno, the whole thing with the Ion pistol is the large magazine...but regardless I think you see my point. Id actually like to see the charge shot on the Ion pistol operate like a shotgun, and then offer an "Assault" verion to be a stand-in for the Gallente SMG/Mini Plasma Rifle. Sidearms are basicaly mini version of the light weapons, which in turn are mini version of Heavy weapons. Its actually a pretty good design philosophy to run with. hmm a charged shot useing like 25% to 50% of the clip and in turn it fires multiple projectiles at once? hmm interesting idea.. i was just gonna hope they lower the Heat on the charged shot to mayybe 60%-75% so you can follow up with a few shots Id like to see the charge shot use multiple bullets and fire like a shotgun, with the heat buildup reduced so you can actually not overheat from a full charge (maybe just short of it so follow up shots cant happen with a full charge, but you wont get screwed on overheat delay? And then just a full auto, TMP sort of deal where there's no charge shot but its fully auto to make up for lack of Gallente SMG.
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 946	Posted - 2014.08.19 03:54:00 - [23] - Quote Every single one of them except ScP, SMG and Nova Knives... they all suck. Buff them. *Eternal Beings* - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
Zindorak 1.U.P 632	Posted - 2014.08.19 03:56:00 - [24] - Quote bamboo x wrote: Every single one of them except ScP, SMG and Nova Knives... they all suck. Buff them. Scp IMO needs to go back to pre 1.8 so it can counter the SMG. All nks got a buff except for proto one. That needs like 10 dmg buff Pokemon master


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