DUST Search - Reimagining the Rail Rifle

Meee One wrote:

Alena Ventrallis wrote:

Caveat: READ THE WHOLE DAMN POST BEFORE YOU COMMENT.

Caldari philosophy was summed up very nicely by Iron Wolf Saber some months back. I was unable to find the direct quote, but here is what sums them up.

Rely on shields over speed for defense
Use missiles/rails to bombard enemies from a distance.
very efficient, try to make every shot count.

This bolded part I believe is not emphasized by the current rail rifle. The current function is more spray and pray, which makes it decent up close as well as at range. As well, the auto fire it currently has is not condusive to a culture who wants to make every single shot count, since they are the smallest of the empires. Therefore, I propose these changes.

boost shot damage to 135
up optimal range to 95m
increase headshot multiplier to 250%
Change skill from recoil reduction to increased zoom fidelity (optional)
Require it to charge to full between each shot.

This gives it more paper DPS it currently has (400) while decreasing the applied DPS significantly, as you must now manually charge the shots. This emphasizes making each shot count, and hinders it in close quarters, where one missed shot will significantly hurt your DPS. In this way, the rail rifle becomes a sort of marksman's rifle, effective at range, deadly with a headshot, but not near as good once the gap is closed.

Numbers are free to be adjusted, but the principle should remain the same. Longer range, much higher shot damage, charge between shots.

So,basically the RR as we know it would become the Bolt Rifle.

Bigger version of the bolt pistol.

But let us not forget,the MAGSEC,which is full auto.

But i agree too much reward is given for spray and pray type of gaming.

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Alena Ventrallis Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 1561	Posted - 2014.08.18 19:43:00 - [1] - Quote Caveat: READ THE WHOLE DAMN POST BEFORE YOU COMMENT. Caldari philosophy was summed up very nicely by Iron Wolf Saber some months back. I was unable to find the direct quote, but here is what sums them up. Rely on shields over speed for defense Use missiles/rails to bombard enemies from a distance. *very efficient, try to make every shot count.* This bolded part I believe is not emphasized by the current rail rifle. The current function is more spray and pray, which makes it decent up close as well as at range. As well, the auto fire it currently has is not condusive to a culture who wants to make every single shot count, since they are the smallest of the empires. Therefore, I propose these changes. boost shot damage to 135 up optimal range to 95m increase headshot multiplier to 250% Change skill from recoil reduction to increased zoom fidelity (optional) Require it to charge to full between each shot. This gives it more paper DPS it currently has (400) while decreasing the applied DPS significantly, as you must now manually charge the shots. This emphasizes making each shot count, and hinders it in close quarters, where one missed shot will significantly hurt your DPS. In this way, the rail rifle becomes a sort of marksman's rifle, effective at range, deadly with a headshot, but not near as good once the gap is closed. Numbers are free to be adjusted, but the principle should remain the same. Longer range, much higher shot damage, charge between shots. Rest in peace, oh Captain, my Captain.
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 2703	Posted - 2014.08.18 19:51:00 - [2] - Quote Basically a TAC RR / portable little rail ? If we test it and make it balanced i haven't anything against new variants. PSN: ogamega "Dust is full of communists who despise people with enough isk to buy expensive items" LOCK REGIONS
iKILLu osborne Dead Man's Game 181	Posted - 2014.08.18 20:17:00 - [3] - Quote +1 "uh guys" "i got to go back to the depot that installation made me crap my dropsuit"
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2213	Posted - 2014.08.18 20:21:00 - [4] - Quote Not a bad idea. needs refinement. Could be a good caldari only variant.
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1743	Posted - 2014.08.18 21:33:00 - [5] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Not a bad idea. needs refinement. Could be a good caldari only variant. What do you mean Caldari only? Are you thinking that it would be something that could only be purchased in the LP store? I kind if see this suggestion as a TacRR (like the previous poster) which would mean it would be more expensive (perhaps have higher cpu/pg costs) and be freely available in the isk store. Fun > Realism
Alena Ventrallis Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 1564	Posted - 2014.08.18 23:31:00 - [6] - Quote My idea is to make my reimagining the base rifle. Then have the current rifle become the breach variant. Did not make that clear at all in the OP. Rest in peace, oh Captain, my Captain.
Meee One Hello Kitty Logistics 997	Posted - 2014.08.18 23:52:00 - [7] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Caveat: READ THE WHOLE DAMN POST BEFORE YOU COMMENT. Caldari philosophy was summed up very nicely by Iron Wolf Saber some months back. I was unable to find the direct quote, but here is what sums them up. Rely on shields over speed for defense Use missiles/rails to bombard enemies from a distance. *very efficient, try to make every shot count.* This bolded part I believe is not emphasized by the current rail rifle. The current function is more spray and pray, which makes it decent up close as well as at range. As well, the auto fire it currently has is not condusive to a culture who wants to make every single shot count, since they are the smallest of the empires. Therefore, I propose these changes. boost shot damage to 135 up optimal range to 95m increase headshot multiplier to 250% Change skill from recoil reduction to increased zoom fidelity (optional) Require it to charge to full between each shot. This gives it more paper DPS it currently has (400) while decreasing the applied DPS significantly, as you must now manually charge the shots. This emphasizes making each shot count, and hinders it in close quarters, where one missed shot will significantly hurt your DPS. In this way, the rail rifle becomes a sort of marksman's rifle, effective at range, deadly with a headshot, but not near as good once the gap is closed. Numbers are free to be adjusted, but the principle should remain the same. Longer range, much higher shot damage, charge between shots. So,basically the RR as we know it would become the Bolt Rifle. Bigger version of the bolt pistol. But let us not forget,the MAGSEC,which is full auto. But i agree too much reward is given for spray and pray type of gaming. Was banned for fighting for logistics survival on 7/25/2014 02:11. Logistics will never be respected.
Jack 3enimble Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 212	Posted - 2014.08.19 00:00:00 - [8] - Quote Meee One wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: Caveat: READ THE WHOLE DAMN POST BEFORE YOU COMMENT. Caldari philosophy was summed up very nicely by Iron Wolf Saber some months back. I was unable to find the direct quote, but here is what sums them up. Rely on shields over speed for defense Use missiles/rails to bombard enemies from a distance. *very efficient, try to make every shot count.* This bolded part I believe is not emphasized by the current rail rifle. The current function is more spray and pray, which makes it decent up close as well as at range. As well, the auto fire it currently has is not condusive to a culture who wants to make every single shot count, since they are the smallest of the empires. Therefore, I propose these changes. boost shot damage to 135 up optimal range to 95m increase headshot multiplier to 250% Change skill from recoil reduction to increased zoom fidelity (optional) Require it to charge to full between each shot. This gives it more paper DPS it currently has (400) while decreasing the applied DPS significantly, as you must now manually charge the shots. This emphasizes making each shot count, and hinders it in close quarters, where one missed shot will significantly hurt your DPS. In this way, the rail rifle becomes a sort of marksman's rifle, effective at range, deadly with a headshot, but not near as good once the gap is closed. Numbers are free to be adjusted, but the principle should remain the same. Longer range, much higher shot damage, charge between shots. So,basically the RR as we know it would become the Bolt Rifle. Bigger version of the bolt pistol. But let us not forget,the MAGSEC,which is full auto. But i agree too much reward is given for spray and pray type of gaming. Maybe we should look at all the rifles then..
Lightning35 Delta514 48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE 52	Posted - 2014.08.19 00:27:00 - [9] - Quote I like it. SPAWN.KILL.DIE.RESPAWN.
Midnight Cardinal UNITED MERCINARY AND PILOTS ALLIANCE 15	Posted - 2014.08.19 02:27:00 - [10] - Quote As a fellow Caldarian, I salut you. Wonderful idea actually. Anything that brings the races weaponry closer to their roots (provided the weapons are balanced properly), I'm all for it. Your heart pumps faster, you feel the power and energy of pure adrenaline. You're in my sights, you're gone in a moment.

Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 3189	Posted - 2014.08.19 03:05:00 - [11] - Quote Sounds cool Member of a Dead Alliance and Dead Corp Coming through, still better than you FOTM corp hopping whores
Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 68	Posted - 2014.08.19 03:05:00 - [12] - Quote +1 for Boltrifle (Bolter...Mwahahaha WH40k) idea. I still like the long range suppression that the current RR is...but I'd say, boost the normal damage up more, and loose the increase to the headshot multiplier...always struck me as more of an Amarr "Scrambler" thing. Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. I believe all these roles are support for front line soldiers.
Zindorak 1.U.P 632	Posted - 2014.08.19 03:10:00 - [13] - Quote Good idea. Pretty much a Bolt rifle. I like this loses the major scrub factor on the current noob rifle Pokemon master
Jack 3enimble Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 215	Posted - 2014.08.19 05:41:00 - [14] - Quote Keep the rail rifle the way it is and just add a bolt variant. The scrambler has a spray and pray version, so does the combat and the AR. I really don't see why all of a sudden there is a problem with the rail rifle..
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 569	Posted - 2014.08.19 06:44:00 - [15] - Quote Meee One wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: Caveat: READ THE WHOLE DAMN POST BEFORE YOU COMMENT. Caldari philosophy was summed up very nicely by Iron Wolf Saber some months back. I was unable to find the direct quote, but here is what sums them up. Rely on shields over speed for defense Use missiles/rails to bombard enemies from a distance. *very efficient, try to make every shot count.* This bolded part I believe is not emphasized by the current rail rifle. The current function is more spray and pray, which makes it decent up close as well as at range. As well, the auto fire it currently has is not condusive to a culture who wants to make every single shot count, since they are the smallest of the empires. Therefore, I propose these changes. boost shot damage to 135 up optimal range to 95m increase headshot multiplier to 250% Change skill from recoil reduction to increased zoom fidelity (optional) Require it to charge to full between each shot. This gives it more paper DPS it currently has (400) while decreasing the applied DPS significantly, as you must now manually charge the shots. This emphasizes making each shot count, and hinders it in close quarters, where one missed shot will significantly hurt your DPS. In this way, the rail rifle becomes a sort of marksman's rifle, effective at range, deadly with a headshot, but not near as good once the gap is closed. Numbers are free to be adjusted, but the principle should remain the same. Longer range, much higher shot damage, charge between shots. So,basically the RR as we know it would become the Bolt Rifle. Bigger version of the bolt pistol. But let us not forget,the MAGSEC,which is full auto. But i agree too much reward is given for spray and pray type of gaming. magsec is like sidearm equivalent of SL-4 RR [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Jathniel G I A N T 1148	Posted - 2014.08.19 08:03:00 - [16] - Quote Sounds perfectly fine to me. Give it roughly a .7 second charge time between shots, and kill any of its hipfire capability and you have a deal. Set your goals high, and shoot for the moon; even if you miss you'll land amongst the stars.
MINA Longstrike 1117	Posted - 2014.08.19 14:27:00 - [17] - Quote I would love to see a tactical rail rifle / bolt rifle, but I don't really think it should be the base variant. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Coleman Gray Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 1099	Posted - 2014.08.19 14:33:00 - [18] - Quote Not read your post yet but your wrong. If Preparation is half of the battle and knowing is the other half, Then there is no need to fight.


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