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Grand Master Kubo
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Posted - 2014.08.17 06:08:00 -
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So the hip fire dispersion bonus kind of sucks. Sure, Gallente weaponry is supposed to be used in close range combat where hip firing occurs the most but it still feels like a useless bonus. Why not have a rate-of-fire bonus? Do people think it'll be too overpowering? I'll take 1% increase to rate-of-fire per level over the hip fire bonus. The bonus wouldn't really apply to the plasma cannon but the hip fire bonus already doesn't. Does anyone have some better ideas for a Gallente Assault bonus because as it stands I think the Gallente get shafted when compared to the other races. |
Vitharr Foebane
Terminal Courtesy
Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2014.08.17 06:16:00 -
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I've no issue with the galente getting a ROF bonus as it will not change the damage per clip... just means they get it out slightly faster then others
Amarr: Assault V, Scout V, Sentinel V, Commando V, Logistics IV
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TheDarthMa94
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.17 06:17:00 -
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I would like range bonus
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Daddrobit
You Can Call Me Daddy
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Posted - 2014.08.17 06:43:00 -
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Although yes the current bonus is nowhere nearly as good as the Amarr or Minmatar bonus I would prefer that it stay as it's what makes the Burst AR, Tac AR, and Ion Pistol really worth using.
Seriously Gallente guys, put one level into ion pistol and give it a whirl, it's still hilariously bad, but with the bonus it's slightly less hilariously bad. But only put 1-2 levels in it, if you level up the operation too much you start to overheat a lot more often as even quick repeated shots will fill up the overheat bar as each shot charges a little bit more. My main has operation level one and that's it and he never overheats the thing. But I jump on my alt with level four and the same gameplay style makes the damned thing overheat with a quarter of the mag still left constantly, and overheating with this thing before taking out the enemy is almost always a death sentence.
What I would like to see happen personally is reduce the 5% per level to 3-4% for dispersion and then add a 1% ROF bonus so you would get a 15-20% bonus for dispersion and then an extra 5% to DPS, (which now stands as less than one complex damage mods worth of extra umph after the mod buff.)
Should the dispersion bonus be reduced or even nixed completely, the ion pistol -needs- to have the difference removed from the suit added to the gun itself, seriously guys, it needs the help.
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.08.17 06:57:00 -
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I think giving a particular race a DPS bonus for its weapons but not the other 3 suits isn't a good idea, especially since Gallente weapons typically have a higher base DPS than equivalent counterparts anyways. And typically it doesn't take an entire magazine to kill someone, so the point that it doesn't increase damage per magazine isn't really relevant.
Im reluctant to give it a range bonus, but I think that may be the better option over what we currently have, or a RoF bonus. |
Daddrobit
You Can Call Me Daddy
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Posted - 2014.08.17 07:12:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:I think giving a particular race a DPS bonus for its weapons but not the other 3 suits isn't a good idea, especially since Gallente weapons typically have a higher base DPS than equivalent counterparts anyways. And typically it doesn't take an entire magazine to kill someone, so the point that it doesn't increase damage per magazine isn't really relevant.
Im reluctant to give it a range bonus, but I think that may be the better option over what we currently have, or a RoF bonus.
Lorewise yea they are supposed to be the kings of DPS, but in the game pretty much all of the automatic weapons have nearly identical DPS stats, especially when you account for accuracy which puts the GAR on the lower end of the spectrum honestly just barely above the Assault RR. And then on top of that every other weapon has 14-37% more range.
I'd say it's not too much of a stretch to offer a 5% raise in DPS for 2.4 million SP and help it towards the direction of actually being a DPS king.
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.08.17 07:19:00 -
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Daddrobit wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:I think giving a particular race a DPS bonus for its weapons but not the other 3 suits isn't a good idea, especially since Gallente weapons typically have a higher base DPS than equivalent counterparts anyways. And typically it doesn't take an entire magazine to kill someone, so the point that it doesn't increase damage per magazine isn't really relevant.
Im reluctant to give it a range bonus, but I think that may be the better option over what we currently have, or a RoF bonus. Lorewise yea they are supposed to be the kings of DPS, but in the game pretty much all of the automatic weapons have nearly identical DPS stats, especially when you account for accuracy which puts the GAR on the lower end of the spectrum honestly just barely above the Assault RR. And then on top of that every other weapon has 14-37% more range. I'd say it's not too much of a stretch to offer a 5% raise in DPS for 2.4 million SP and help it towards the direction of actually being a DPS king.
I guess it's just a matter of preference at that point. Id find range more useful than additional DPS, but to each his own. |
bamboo x
Eternal Beings
Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2014.08.17 07:27:00 -
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inb4lolbutilikehipfiringwithaTAC
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Daddrobit
You Can Call Me Daddy
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Posted - 2014.08.17 07:28:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Daddrobit wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:I think giving a particular race a DPS bonus for its weapons but not the other 3 suits isn't a good idea, especially since Gallente weapons typically have a higher base DPS than equivalent counterparts anyways. And typically it doesn't take an entire magazine to kill someone, so the point that it doesn't increase damage per magazine isn't really relevant.
Im reluctant to give it a range bonus, but I think that may be the better option over what we currently have, or a RoF bonus. Lorewise yea they are supposed to be the kings of DPS, but in the game pretty much all of the automatic weapons have nearly identical DPS stats, especially when you account for accuracy which puts the GAR on the lower end of the spectrum honestly just barely above the Assault RR. And then on top of that every other weapon has 14-37% more range. I'd say it's not too much of a stretch to offer a 5% raise in DPS for 2.4 million SP and help it towards the direction of actually being a DPS king. I guess it's just a matter of preference at that point. Id find range more useful than additional DPS, but to each his own.
But if I wanted range, I'd pick up literally any other assault gun as they all have better range. Even with the 5% buff to range, it still wouldn't match the ACR which also gets a natural bonus of 5% damage due to its damage profile on top of its better range, accuracy, and with the Minmatar bonus, a better mag size as well.
O.G. Pink Fluffy Bunny
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Vell0cet
Fraternity of St. Venefice
Amarr Empire
2156
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Posted - 2014.08.17 07:41:00 -
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What about a bigger clip?
Best PvE idea ever!
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Grand Master Kubo
PIanet Express
Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.08.17 15:21:00 -
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Like I said, Gallente weaponry is supposed to be close range but the bonus given to the Gallente Assault does not make it excel at close range combat. If you try to run the Gallente Assault with Gallente weaponry you will get massacred by heavys and scouts. Because of this you will notice that people who run the assault will use other weapons and try to stay away from close quarters situation. The people who run assault rifle variants are not the people who run into gunfights hip firing, they are the people who pick enemies off from a distance. Most of the people that I see running Gallente Assault suits use rail rifles because it is not viable in close range combat. |
Monty Mole Clone
Shiv M
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Posted - 2014.08.17 15:26:00 -
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id say ar clip increase of 1 or 2 per lvl, the way some of those folks shoot they could do with a few extra rounds
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.08.17 15:30:00 -
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I wrote a thing.
Monty Mole Clone wrote:id say ar clip increase of 1 or 2 per lvl, the way some of those folks shoot they could do with a few extra rounds
The Minmatar assault has a 5% per level.
If a clip size increase was to be a thing, it shouldn't be 1 or 2 bullets per level, it should be equal strength.
I have a perhaps irrational dislike of replicating that bonus though. It'd be nice if each assault had something a little more unique.
EDIT: I don't really think the bonus 'making the ion pistol slightly less hilariously bad, but still hilariously bad' is grounds to keep a bonus that is otherwise at best 'meh' worthy.
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Monty Mole Clone
Shiv M
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Posted - 2014.08.17 15:34:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:id say ar clip increase of 1 or 2 per lvl, the way some of those folks shoot they could do with a few extra rounds The Minmatar assault has a 5% per level. If a clip size increase was to be a thing, it shouldn't be 1 or 2 bullets per level, it should be equal strength. I have a perhaps irrational dislike of replicating that bonus though. It'd be nice if each assault had something a little more unique.
if it was 5% per lvl you woud have a 75 round duvolle, a bit much no? the bonus you have now is unique and nobody likes it
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Jack 3enimble
Vengeance Unbound
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.08.17 15:39:00 -
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Dude, check the features and ideas section first. Here's the link to the thread where we state the bonus change for both the Gal and the Cal.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=171650&find=unread |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.08.17 15:41:00 -
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Monty Mole Clone wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:id say ar clip increase of 1 or 2 per lvl, the way some of those folks shoot they could do with a few extra rounds The Minmatar assault has a 5% per level. If a clip size increase was to be a thing, it shouldn't be 1 or 2 bullets per level, it should be equal strength. I have a perhaps irrational dislike of replicating that bonus though. It'd be nice if each assault had something a little more unique. if it was 5% per lvl you woud have a 75 round duvolle, a bit much no? the bonus you have now is unique and nobody likes it
We already have 85 round ACR clips parading around with the Minassault bonus and nobody is calling that a problem. If it's 1 or 2 bullets in a clip per level it's arbitrarily worse than the Minassault bonus and how would it affect the shotgun and ion pistol?
1 or 2 bullets a clip is a pretty laughable increase. A 1 round per level bonus would be completely stupid. A 5 round increase at level 5? Yeah, no thanks. I'd even prefer the current bonus over that just for the odd times I muck about with the ion pistol. A 10 round bonus? Perhaps somewhat useful, but still worse than the Minmatar bonus for no reason at all.
The bonus we have on the Galassault at the moment is not unique. It's the exact same thing provided by the operations and sharpshooter skills.
Nothing provides an overheat reduction for laser weaponry other than the Amarr assault bonus. Nothing provides a clip size increases for projectile weaponry, other than the Minmatar assault bonus. That's what I mean by the bonus being unique.
Not everyone is likely to check every section of the forums before posting. 
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Jack 3enimble
Vengeance Unbound
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.08.17 15:47:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:id say ar clip increase of 1 or 2 per lvl, the way some of those folks shoot they could do with a few extra rounds The Minmatar assault has a 5% per level. If a clip size increase was to be a thing, it shouldn't be 1 or 2 bullets per level, it should be equal strength. I have a perhaps irrational dislike of replicating that bonus though. It'd be nice if each assault had something a little more unique. if it was 5% per lvl you woud have a 75 round duvolle, a bit much no? the bonus you have now is unique and nobody likes it We already have 85 round ACR clips parading around with the Minassault bonus and nobody is calling that a problem. If it's 1 or 2 bullets in a clip per level it's arbitrarily worse than the Minassault bonus and how would it affect the shotgun and ion pistol? 1 or 2 bullets a clip is a pretty laughable increase. A 1 round per level bonus would be completely stupid. A 5 round increase at level 5? Yeah, no thanks. I'd even prefer the current bonus over that just for the odd times I muck about with the ion pistol. A 10 round bonus? Perhaps somewhat useful, but still worse than the Minmatar bonus for no reason at all. The bonus we have on the Galassault at the moment is not unique. It's the exact same thing provided by the operations and sharpshooter skills. Nothing provides an overheat reduction for laser weaponry other than the Amarr assault bonus. Nothing provides a clip size increases for projectile weaponry, other than the Minmatar assault bonus. That's what I mean by the bonus being unique.
Arkena, we should refer people to your original thread where every reply stated that the Gal and Cal bonus are equally garbage and need replacement. The more the better. @ Kub, not trying to hijack or derail your thread bro. Arkena made a thread about this already and we discussed the assault suit bonus. So a new one was made in features and ideas to get the attention of a DEV and CPM. We could use all the support we can get to change the bonus on both suits.
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Echo 1991
WarRavens
Final Resolution.
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Posted - 2014.08.17 15:53:00 -
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Gal bonus should be a range or RoF increase.
Caldari bonus should be maybe a kick reduction or Something else. |
JARREL THOMAS
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2014.08.17 15:53:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Daddrobit wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:I think giving a particular race a DPS bonus for its weapons but not the other 3 suits isn't a good idea, especially since Gallente weapons typically have a higher base DPS than equivalent counterparts anyways. And typically it doesn't take an entire magazine to kill someone, so the point that it doesn't increase damage per magazine isn't really relevant.
Im reluctant to give it a range bonus, but I think that may be the better option over what we currently have, or a RoF bonus. Lorewise yea they are supposed to be the kings of DPS, but in the game pretty much all of the automatic weapons have nearly identical DPS stats, especially when you account for accuracy which puts the GAR on the lower end of the spectrum honestly just barely above the Assault RR. And then on top of that every other weapon has 14-37% more range. I'd say it's not too much of a stretch to offer a 5% raise in DPS for 2.4 million SP and help it towards the direction of actually being a DPS king. I guess it's just a matter of preference at that point. Id find range more useful than additional DPS, but to each his own.
Giving them a range bonus wouldn't work because there short range kings (cr aren't supposed to kings of cqc) giving ar's range isn't good. Giving them rof or dps would be sufficient.
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Echo 1991
WarRavens
Final Resolution.
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Posted - 2014.08.17 15:56:00 -
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JARREL THOMAS wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Daddrobit wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:I think giving a particular race a DPS bonus for its weapons but not the other 3 suits isn't a good idea, especially since Gallente weapons typically have a higher base DPS than equivalent counterparts anyways. And typically it doesn't take an entire magazine to kill someone, so the point that it doesn't increase damage per magazine isn't really relevant.
Im reluctant to give it a range bonus, but I think that may be the better option over what we currently have, or a RoF bonus. Lorewise yea they are supposed to be the kings of DPS, but in the game pretty much all of the automatic weapons have nearly identical DPS stats, especially when you account for accuracy which puts the GAR on the lower end of the spectrum honestly just barely above the Assault RR. And then on top of that every other weapon has 14-37% more range. I'd say it's not too much of a stretch to offer a 5% raise in DPS for 2.4 million SP and help it towards the direction of actually being a DPS king. I guess it's just a matter of preference at that point. Id find range more useful than additional DPS, but to each his own. Giving them a range bonus wouldn't work because there short range kings (cr aren't supposed to kings of cqc) giving ar's range isn't good. Giving them rof or dps would be sufficient.
Range is the drawback of the AR. Every other bonus (except caldari) reduces the drawback in some way. |
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Monty Mole Clone
Shiv M
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Posted - 2014.08.17 15:58:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:id say ar clip increase of 1 or 2 per lvl, the way some of those folks shoot they could do with a few extra rounds The Minmatar assault has a 5% per level. If a clip size increase was to be a thing, it shouldn't be 1 or 2 bullets per level, it should be equal strength. I have a perhaps irrational dislike of replicating that bonus though. It'd be nice if each assault had something a little more unique. if it was 5% per lvl you woud have a 75 round duvolle, a bit much no? the bonus you have now is unique and nobody likes it We already have 85 round ACR clips parading around with the Minassault bonus and nobody is calling that a problem. If it's 1 or 2 bullets in a clip per level it's arbitrarily worse than the Minassault bonus and how would it affect the shotgun and ion pistol? 1 or 2 bullets a clip is a pretty laughable increase. A 1 round per level bonus would be completely stupid. A 5 round increase at level 5? Yeah, no thanks. I'd even prefer the current bonus over that just for the odd times I muck about with the ion pistol. A 10 round bonus? Perhaps somewhat useful, but still worse than the Minmatar bonus for no reason at all. The bonus we have on the Galassault at the moment is not unique. It's the exact same thing provided by the operations and sharpshooter skills. Nothing provides an overheat reduction for laser weaponry other than the Amarr assault bonus. Nothing provides a clip size increases for projectile weaponry, other than the Minmatar assault bonus. That's what I mean by the bonus being unique.
10 rounds is almost a full second longer than what you can currently hold down r1, not to be sniffed at if you ask me. then you have 28 clip duvolle tac, 46 clip breach and 70 clip burst
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JARREL THOMAS
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2014.08.17 15:59:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:JARREL THOMAS wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Daddrobit wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:I think giving a particular race a DPS bonus for its weapons but not the other 3 suits isn't a good idea, especially since Gallente weapons typically have a higher base DPS than equivalent counterparts anyways. And typically it doesn't take an entire magazine to kill someone, so the point that it doesn't increase damage per magazine isn't really relevant.
Im reluctant to give it a range bonus, but I think that may be the better option over what we currently have, or a RoF bonus. Lorewise yea they are supposed to be the kings of DPS, but in the game pretty much all of the automatic weapons have nearly identical DPS stats, especially when you account for accuracy which puts the GAR on the lower end of the spectrum honestly just barely above the Assault RR. And then on top of that every other weapon has 14-37% more range. I'd say it's not too much of a stretch to offer a 5% raise in DPS for 2.4 million SP and help it towards the direction of actually being a DPS king. I guess it's just a matter of preference at that point. Id find range more useful than additional DPS, but to each his own. Giving them a range bonus wouldn't work because there short range kings (cr aren't supposed to kings of cqc) giving ar's range isn't good. Giving them rof or dps would be sufficient. Range is the drawback of the AR. Every other bonus (except caldari) reduces the drawback in some way.
Please explain I'm a bit slow atm
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Echo 1991
WarRavens
Final Resolution.
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Posted - 2014.08.17 16:03:00 -
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Amarr bonus lowers the amount of heat that the ScR generates per shot.
Minnie bonus increases ammo count as low ammo is bad when your weapon fires that fast.
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Vell0cet
Fraternity of St. Venefice
Amarr Empire
2157
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Posted - 2014.08.17 16:07:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:Gal bonus should be a range or RoF increase.
Caldari bonus should be maybe a kick reduction or Something else.
If they did get a range bonus (which is a dubious bonus) it should be an increase to falloff only and not to optimal. Optimal would be way OP.
Best PvE idea ever!
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Echo 1991
WarRavens
Final Resolution.
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Posted - 2014.08.17 16:10:00 -
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Vell0cet wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:Gal bonus should be a range or RoF increase.
Caldari bonus should be maybe a kick reduction or Something else. If they did get a range bonus (which is a dubious bonus) it should be an increase to falloff only and not to optimal. Optimal would be way OP.
How would it be op? 5-10 Meter increase would be fine. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
17077
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Posted - 2014.08.17 16:15:00 -
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Monty Mole Clone wrote:
10 rounds is almost a full second longer than what you can currently hold down r1, not to be sniffed at if you ask me. then you have 28 clip duvolle tac, 46 clip breach and 70 clip burst
Yes, and meanwhile there's another bonus doing exactly the same thing which gives 25% - a larger bonus.
Why is it a problem here and not on the CR?
You've also just highlighted a problem with this scenario. You've got almost a 100% increase on the TAR while you've got a less than 20% increase on the Duvolle. That's not exactly balanced.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Monty Mole Clone
Shiv M
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Posted - 2014.08.17 16:40:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Monty Mole Clone wrote:
10 rounds is almost a full second longer than what you can currently hold down r1, not to be sniffed at if you ask me. then you have 28 clip duvolle tac, 46 clip breach and 70 clip burst
Yes, and meanwhile there's another bonus doing exactly the same thing which gives 25% - a larger bonus. Why is it a problem here and not on the CR? You've also just highlighted a problem with this scenario. You've got almost a 100% increase on the TAR while you've got a less than 20% increase on the Duvolle. That's not exactly balanced.
for the sake of 5 less rounds on the assault and burst you get a better tac and breach, its a happy medium i suppose
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Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
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Posted - 2014.08.17 16:46:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:JARREL THOMAS wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Daddrobit wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:I think giving a particular race a DPS bonus for its weapons but not the other 3 suits isn't a good idea, especially since Gallente weapons typically have a higher base DPS than equivalent counterparts anyways. And typically it doesn't take an entire magazine to kill someone, so the point that it doesn't increase damage per magazine isn't really relevant.
Im reluctant to give it a range bonus, but I think that may be the better option over what we currently have, or a RoF bonus. Lorewise yea they are supposed to be the kings of DPS, but in the game pretty much all of the automatic weapons have nearly identical DPS stats, especially when you account for accuracy which puts the GAR on the lower end of the spectrum honestly just barely above the Assault RR. And then on top of that every other weapon has 14-37% more range. I'd say it's not too much of a stretch to offer a 5% raise in DPS for 2.4 million SP and help it towards the direction of actually being a DPS king. I guess it's just a matter of preference at that point. Id find range more useful than additional DPS, but to each his own. Giving them a range bonus wouldn't work because there short range kings (cr aren't supposed to kings of cqc) giving ar's range isn't good. Giving them rof or dps would be sufficient. Range is the drawback of the AR. Every other bonus (except caldari) reduces the drawback in some way.
Prefer RoF bonus on Gallente, and spool bonus on Caldari. |
HYENAKILLER X
WILL FIGHT ANYONE
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Posted - 2014.08.17 17:06:00 -
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If gal hip fire was as good with ar as it is with the rr that would be something. Increase hipfire accuracy and range.
Rr hipfire has decenr range.
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Jack 3enimble
Vengeance Unbound
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.08.17 17:11:00 -
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HYENAKILLER X wrote:If gal hip fire was as good with ar as it is with the rr that would be something. Increase hipfire accuracy and range.
Rr hipfire has decenr range.
Cal needs a kick reduction as that is the major drawback of the RR. Spool up time will affect the charge sniper.
Gal needs range Cal needs kick reduction to compete with the other racial rifles that have virtually no kick |
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