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TechMechMeds
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Posted - 2014.08.15 12:46:00 -
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I know a fair amount.
I was wondering though, The massive ships we see in all sci fi would surely be the quickest ships because they have bigger engines right?.
Or would their mass affect their speed and manoeuvrability?.
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TechMechMeds
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Posted - 2014.08.16 14:06:00 -
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Bayeth Mal wrote:Well it's really your thrust to mass ratio. As for manoeuvrability it'd probably be equal. Every newton of force going in one direction has to be countered in order to stop travelling in that direction. If the Mass to Thrust ratio is the same it really just comes down to how quickly they can turn the vessel to then thrust in the other direction.
Though sci-fi ship battles a-la EVE/Mass Effect/Star Wars/Battlestar etc is really just space submarines. Nobody takes into account orbital mechanics when fighting near a planet/star/other gravitational body. And small fighters making banking turns is ridiculous.
This idea of travelling in space being point your nose at where you want to go and burn until you get there is completely counter to how actual space travel works.
If you really want to get your head around how complicated trying to move things around in space is I suggest playing Kerbal Space Program.
All interesting posts.
I was thinking about that as well aye.
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TechMechMeds
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Posted - 2014.08.16 17:43:00 -
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Bayeth Mal wrote:Well a basic example of the problem with flying straight at your destination:
You have a space station in orbit over the Earth with a satellite in the same orbital path but about a mile behind. If you wanted to dock the satellite with the station and pointed the satellite at the station and did a quick burn, adding a few feet per second of velocity to try and catch up, the satellite wouldn't get closer to the station, it'd actually get further away.
Holy fk.
You just fried the mind of some one who knows a lot about everything and 99.99% of my life have never had any problem understanding anything.
I can also communicate with foreign people somehow if face to face even if I don't directly understand them, really really well.
But this?, I thought I at least knew enough about this but damn.
Let me think.
*10 minutes elapse*
So, its because its already behind?.......and would need to go a lot faster?.
Yeah I think I get it, would it need to go double the speed to catch up?, double the stations speed?.
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TechMechMeds
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Posted - 2014.08.16 23:48:00 -
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Bayeth Mal wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:
Let me think.
*10 minutes elapse*
So, its because its already behind?.......and would need to go a lot faster?.
Yeah I think I get it, would it need to go double the speed to catch up?, double the stations speed?.
No, an object in orbit has a specific speed for that orbit. i.e. you cant have two objects in the same orbit going different speeds. An orbit is really just a controlled fall where your forward momentum is so high that by the time you've fallen to the centre point of the earths gravity you're already past it. An increase in velocity in the direction of travel would take you further from the earth and thus further from the orbit of the space station. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXOBe-CG4cwIn this video after the 7 min mark he has to have his ship and the target in two slightly different orbits to allow the target to catch up. Another way of thinking of it is imagine a circular race track with multiple lanes. You have a car that when going at an exact speed (say 100mph) is unable to turn left any harder. If it is in the inside lane and it increases its speed to say 120mph it'll get forced into the next right hand lane for a bit allowing it to have a longer time to turn and then it can go back into the left lane for a bit but eventually that speed is going to be too much and it'll get forced back into the right hand lane. A car staying in the centre lane is still going to orbit the track faster as it is on the inside and has less distance to travel. Or, sit on one of those spinning office chairs, push yourself into a free spin and hold your legs out straight. with the momentum you have you might be spinning once every 2 seconds, then pull your legs in towards your body and you'll start spinning faster, maybe once per second. Same mechanic.
Right, I get you.
There he goes. One of gods own prototypes.
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TechMechMeds
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Posted - 2014.08.20 16:13:00 -
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Cass Caul wrote:So, what you're saying is, those hybrid O.B.s do so much damage/have the largest AoE because they're about the size of your fist when they hit the ground :p
You can measure the impact by shooting a ball with the same mass and density of the earth relatively speaking. Its how we know the effects of asteroids if they hit the earth.
If I remember right, all it takes is a 5 mile radius asteroid to annihilate 99% of life on earth.
Sorry if that's vague, I'm flicking between work, the forums and a game of dust every now and then with coffee to boot lol.
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TechMechMeds
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Posted - 2014.08.20 16:14:00 -
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GLOBAL fils'de RAGE wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:I know a fair amount.
I was wondering though, The massive ships we see in all sci fi would surely be the quickest ships because they have bigger engines right?.
Or would their mass affect their speed and manoeuvrability?. Inertia
Yes, I slapped myself for not thinking of that lol.
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TechMechMeds
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Posted - 2014.08.20 18:36:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:The most important thing for ship speeds and maneouvrability would be thrust to mass ratio. It'd be entirely possible for a larger ship to go faster than a smaller ship - if more of it, proportionally, was given over to engines than in the smaller ship.
Very nice.
Everything in this thread is very helpful and has filled in a lot of gaps.
I obviously didn't know as much about astrophysics as i thought but everything that has been said has filled in many cracks.
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TechMechMeds
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Posted - 2014.08.20 19:22:00 -
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mollerz wrote:Kind of relevant I suggest zooming out a bit and turning on milestones and show paths. Keep in mind that everytime the Rosetta passes a planet it gets a gravity assisted speed boost. They launched it in March of 2004 only for it to finally catch up to the Comet in 2014. BAMF
Yeah finally.
I hope they land it eventually.
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TechMechMeds
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:08:00 -
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mollerz wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:mollerz wrote:Kind of relevant I suggest zooming out a bit and turning on milestones and show paths. Keep in mind that everytime the Rosetta passes a planet it gets a gravity assisted speed boost. They launched it in March of 2004 only for it to finally catch up to the Comet in 2014. BAMF Yeah finally. I hope they land it eventually. Given our technological ability that is an extremely awesome feat and will surely pave the way to bigger an better things.
Defo.
Whoever is in control of that when they try, my hat goes off to them.
Is it one person or a few that are controlling it?.
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TechMechMeds
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Posted - 2014.08.21 22:21:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:
Defo.
Whoever is in control of that when they try, my hat goes off to them.
Is it one person or a few that are controlling it?.
I'm pretty sure it's controlled by computers. It's an absolutely stunning work of calculation. Calculating the motion of objects being affected by several bodies that are affecting each other is insanely complicated and this level of precision is mind boggling. Imagine throwing a knife out of a window, having it bounce several times and then perfectly cut a fly in two. That's less precise than this.
Damn, mind blown.
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TechMechMeds
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Posted - 2014.09.09 13:23:00 -
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Bayeth Mal wrote:Also I forgot to mention for the OP.
It depends on your definition of "quickest."
Lets say you have two ships that weigh the same. One has a fuel burning engine that produces 10,000 pounds of thrust and has 200 seconds of fuel. And the other has a highly efficient ion engine producing 50 pounds of thrust but can keep going for 48 hours.
1st one can change course quickly etc, the other can attain a higher top speed and can produce more thrust over all.
An ion drive takes ages to speed up though doesn't it?.
So the question would really be, for how long would the thrust engine maintain a higher speed than the ion drive.
Right?.
Iv been digging and I actually understand it now although I wouldn't be able to explain it in depth, nor can I be bothered right now even if I could lol.
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TechMechMeds
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Posted - 2014.09.09 13:30:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:GLOBAL fils'de RAGE wrote:
Inertia is going to stress the structure, and once you are outside of a planets magnetic fields protection you are going to get blasted by cosmic radiation (really nasty particles and radiation) your ship will need substantial physical protection again increasing mass.
A fleck of paint at 45,000 mph is potentially lethal to and astronaut, a pebble at near light speed travel would be a mini nuke.
Yeah, this is why space junk is such a problem. It's ridiculously lethal if you're unlucky enough to hit some. There are some tiny pieces scattered all around orbit and if a piece the size of a fingernail collided with, say, the ISS, it would be as damaging as a grenade. Quote: travelling faster than the speed of light would cause you to go back in time.
Well, theoretically, if it could be done.
Wouldn't you have to be certain of where you are going in space at the speed of light to ensure that you go back in time?.
How do we even know which direction is going back in time if it is all relative?.
We look at the early universe as going back in time, how do we know that it is not us who are in the older part of the universe for sure, gazing out to the fresh beginning s of our universe and we are in fact in the past!
What if the cake was a lie man!.
PS. Half of that is jokes.
My hometown beat Manchester united.
Git gud man utd.
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