DUST Search - BMG's and Hotfix Charlie

Leeroy Gannarsein wrote:

TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:

Ripley Riley wrote:

Burst HMG is terrifically powerful at a respectable range with a trivial drawback. It just needs a real drawback. Hopefully it will get balanced soon.

Yeah like exploding killing the carrier if it overheats.

On a more serious note, ignore the poorly (from a game perspective) designed tooltip and make HMGs dispersion increase over time. You know like the blaster turrets and generally any game that has HMGs. A high RPM weapon that gets more accurate overtime was a bad idea.

That way they still remain as high dps crowd killers while not being one man armies. The HMG like heavies, should be a support role.

I used to love playing games like Day of Defeat where the LMG was designed for taking out crowds of enemies but garbage for accuracy, that is how I thought the HMG would be in this game but was disappointed.

It gets more accurate in terms of dispersion, but its kick gets rapidly harder and harder to control resulting in a net loss of accuracy. I think it's okay, myself.

(also lol@bamboo's sig)

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Chaosdragon58 Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 24	Posted - 2014.08.14 01:44:00 - [1] - Quote Alright, we've witnessed them, and we've used them, I want to hear this: Who what's that shizznits nerfed? And who wants it left it alone? I personally like it, but I feel like it's OP, anyone else? Please......I must feed....... On your proto suits.... Yolo forever xD
Death Shadow117 New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 247	Posted - 2014.08.14 01:54:00 - [2] - Quote What the **** is a bowel movement gun? Why?
RYN0CER0S Rise Of Old Dudes 1092	Posted - 2014.08.14 02:12:00 - [3] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: What the **** is a bowel movement gun? Flaylock Pistol. I don't always blap Infantry with a Forge Gun, but when I do, that shit is hilarious.
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 115	Posted - 2014.08.14 02:16:00 - [4] - Quote RYN0CER0S wrote: Death Shadow117 wrote: What the ** is a bowel movement gun? Flaylock Pistol. Yeah, you ** yourself laughing when you see someone use it. Purifier. First Class.
Chaosdragon58 Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 24	Posted - 2014.08.14 02:47:00 - [5] - Quote Sorry for the misunderstanding, changed topic to Burst HMG now for clarity, x3 Please......I must feed....... On your proto suits.... Yolo forever xD
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 469	Posted - 2014.08.14 03:32:00 - [6] - Quote burst HMG is fine.. its like 3-5 constant bursts before it overheats [LogiBro in Training] channel: BP SQUAD
Thurak1 Psygod9 910	Posted - 2014.08.14 03:34:00 - [7] - Quote it has been nerfed thanks to heat.
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 862	Posted - 2014.08.14 03:40:00 - [8] - Quote OP is a scrub who thinks the VERY slight DPS increase makes a difference with the increased overheat. We're also likely to get a range nerf soon if the heavy QQ continues. *Eternal Beings* - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
Chaosdragon58 Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 27	Posted - 2014.08.14 12:29:00 - [9] - Quote Indeed Bamboo, indeed ^^ Please......I must feed....... On your proto suits.... Yolo forever xD
TechMechMeds Level 5 Forum Warrior 5086	Posted - 2014.08.14 12:35:00 - [10] - Quote This thread is a QQ gateway. Hmg was fine anyway. I officially disapprove of this thread. A rolling nade is worth two in ambush.

Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 2673	Posted - 2014.08.14 12:42:00 - [11] - Quote Burst HMG is terrifically powerful at a respectable range with a trivial drawback. It just needs a real drawback. Hopefully it will get balanced soon. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
NAV HIV The Generals Anime Empire. 1944	Posted - 2014.08.14 12:55:00 - [12] - Quote Chaosdragon58 wrote: Alright, we've witnessed them, and we've used them, I want to hear this: Who what's that shizznits nerfed? And who wants it left it alone? I personally like it, but I feel like it's OP, anyone else? It's powerful and too good... lol
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 391	Posted - 2014.08.14 13:29:00 - [13] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Burst HMG is terrifically powerful at a respectable range with a trivial drawback. It just needs a real drawback. Hopefully it will get balanced soon. Yeah like exploding killing the carrier if it overheats. On a more serious note, ignore the poorly (from a game perspective) designed tooltip and make HMGs dispersion increase over time. You know like the blaster turrets and generally any game that has HMGs. A high RPM weapon that gets more accurate overtime was a bad idea. That way they still remain as high dps crowd killers while not being one man armies. The HMG like heavies, should be a support role. I used to love playing games like Day of Defeat where the LMG was designed for taking out crowds of enemies but garbage for accuracy, that is how I thought the HMG would be in this game but was disappointed.
Chaosdragon58 Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 27	Posted - 2014.08.15 11:38:00 - [14] - Quote I honestly would think the burst HMG (Out of the 3 variants) would have the lowest range :P Please......I must feed....... On your proto suits.... Yolo forever xD
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2065	Posted - 2014.08.15 11:44:00 - [15] - Quote Chaosdragon58 wrote: I honestly would think the burst HMG (Out of the 3 variants) would have the lowest range :P It does. the dispersion ring is insane, and it doesn't shrink significantly. the smaller the target in that ring, the less bullets per burst will hit. AKA CCP actually managed to correctly simulate a Cone of Fire.
Leeroy Gannarsein Legio DXIV 618	Posted - 2014.08.15 11:47:00 - [16] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Burst HMG is terrifically powerful at a respectable range with a trivial drawback. It just needs a real drawback. Hopefully it will get balanced soon. Yeah like exploding killing the carrier if it overheats. On a more serious note, ignore the poorly (from a game perspective) designed tooltip and make HMGs dispersion increase over time. You know like the blaster turrets and generally any game that has HMGs. A high RPM weapon that gets more accurate overtime was a bad idea. That way they still remain as high dps crowd killers while not being one man armies. The HMG like heavies, should be a support role. I used to love playing games like Day of Defeat where the LMG was designed for taking out crowds of enemies but garbage for accuracy, that is how I thought the HMG would be in this game but was disappointed. It gets more accurate in terms of dispersion, but its kick gets rapidly harder and harder to control resulting in a net loss of accuracy. I think it's okay, myself. (also lol@bamboo's sig) It would seem like wisdom, but for the warning in my heart... CCP BLOWOUT FOR CPM1
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2065	Posted - 2014.08.15 11:50:00 - [17] - Quote Leeroy Gannarsein wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Burst HMG is terrifically powerful at a respectable range with a trivial drawback. It just needs a real drawback. Hopefully it will get balanced soon. Yeah like exploding killing the carrier if it overheats. On a more serious note, ignore the poorly (from a game perspective) designed tooltip and make HMGs dispersion increase over time. You know like the blaster turrets and generally any game that has HMGs. A high RPM weapon that gets more accurate overtime was a bad idea. That way they still remain as high dps crowd killers while not being one man armies. The HMG like heavies, should be a support role. I used to love playing games like Day of Defeat where the LMG was designed for taking out crowds of enemies but garbage for accuracy, that is how I thought the HMG would be in this game but was disappointed. It gets more accurate in terms of dispersion, but its kick gets rapidly harder and harder to control resulting in a net loss of accuracy. I think it's okay, myself. (also lol@bamboo's sig) this thing has more in common with the M-2 .50 cal or the miniguns you see in all the youtube vids. And you'd be shocked at just how accurate real LMGs are in real life. Game coders wouldn't know realistic ballistics if you impaled them on it by and large. it's why most console shooters annoy the hell out of me. The mental statement of "GODDAMMIT GUNS DON'T WORK THAT WAY" breaks the immersion utterly for me. I like DUST because real world small-unit tactics are applicable to the game, as well as combined-arms tactics.
Chaosdragon58 Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 27	Posted - 2014.08.16 11:27:00 - [18] - Quote Breaking, care to elaborate on your point? Please......I must feed....... On your proto suits.... Yolo forever xD
TechMechMeds Level 5 Forum Warrior 5139	Posted - 2014.08.16 12:36:00 - [19] - Quote Leave it alone, I like how 'op' it is. It makes my min heavy even more of a beast. A rolling nade is worth two in ambush.
Roner General Ancient Exiles. 512	Posted - 2014.08.16 12:42:00 - [20] - Quote i think its op as well but who cares #TruReligion

TechMechMeds Level 5 Forum Warrior 5139	Posted - 2014.08.16 12:48:00 - [21] - Quote Roner General wrote: i think its op as well but who cares You are op lol. Nerf Roner!. A rolling nade is worth two in ambush.
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 766	Posted - 2014.08.16 13:02:00 - [22] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: burst HMG is fine.. its like 3-5 constant bursts before it overheats It's actually 6 straight bursts without delay before overheat. Also...It's much more fun than the standard, but I have always preferred the burst. I don't even care to chime in on stupid nerf/buff commentary anymore though. A display of sucking that rivals the highest amount of sucking that a player has displayed in the history of sucking.-JR
CoffinCheaterINC Murphys-Law 2	Posted - 2014.08.16 13:16:00 - [23] - Quote 1% of the heavy community run the burst at best. It's a situational piece of hardware. Open maps in a Minosaur fit with 2x''s complex kin kats is where it excels. Down and dirty brawling any decent heavy will go to the boundless. It's really about your play style. Patience young grasshopper.
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 767	Posted - 2014.08.16 13:19:00 - [24] - Quote CoffinCheaterINC wrote: 1% of the heavy community run the burst at best. It's a situational piece of hardware. Open maps in a Minosaur fit with 2x''s complex kin kats is where it excels. Down and dirty brawling any decent heavy will go to the boundless. It's really about your play style. Patience young grasshopper. Boundless is definitely better for sustained entrenched combat, but toe up 1v1 with a six kin and immediately be seated. A display of sucking that rivals the highest amount of sucking that a player has displayed in the history of sucking.-JR
CoffinCheaterINC Murphys-Law 4	Posted - 2014.08.16 13:38:00 - [25] - Quote In CQC I disagree. Any decent heavy will own with the power of straff. ( side note. Straff has a completely different meaning to the rest of the world. Check it.) I run the sin kin daily it's situational. I use it to pick off idiots who stray from their squad NEVER in a gang bang.
TechMechMeds Level 5 Forum Warrior 5141	Posted - 2014.08.16 13:41:00 - [26] - Quote CoffinCheaterINC wrote: In CQC I disagree. Any decent heavy will own with the power of straff. ( side note. Straff has a completely different meaning to the rest of the world. Check it.) I run the sin kin daily it's situational. I use it to pick off idiots who stray from their squad NEVER in a gang bang. Strafe. And you mean, the world meaning of strafe is different than the gaming worlds definition. A rolling nade is worth two in ambush.
TechMechMeds Level 5 Forum Warrior 5141	Posted - 2014.08.16 13:47:00 - [27] - Quote Just looked up staff lol, to f a girl without wasting time lol. "I am so going to staff her if she comes over my house later" lol. A rolling nade is worth two in ambush.
CoffinCheaterINC Murphys-Law 4	Posted - 2014.08.16 13:47:00 - [28] - Quote Straff. Yes it's different.
CoffinCheaterINC Murphys-Law 4	Posted - 2014.08.16 13:48:00 - [29] - Quote ^^^^ lol
Yeeeuuuupppp uptown456 Dark Taboo 547	Posted - 2014.08.16 14:27:00 - [30] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Leave it alone, I like how 'op' it is. It makes my min heavy even more of a beast. Speed heavy ftw. Wannabe Slayer PSN: GMANCASH Rage Proficiency V

Chaosdragon58 Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 28	Posted - 2014.08.16 18:40:00 - [31] - Quote Yeeeuuuupppp wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Leave it alone, I like how 'op' it is. It makes my min heavy even more of a beast. Speed heavy ftw. Speed heavy, ha, I gotta try that one, one day Please......I must feed....... On your proto suits.... Yolo forever xD
Yeeeuuuupppp uptown456 Dark Taboo 548	Posted - 2014.08.17 15:27:00 - [32] - Quote Chaosdragon58 wrote: Yeeeuuuupppp wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Leave it alone, I like how 'op' it is. It makes my min heavy even more of a beast. Speed heavy ftw. Speed heavy, ha, I gotta try that one, one day Yes mate. Even an enhanced kin cat makes it decently fast. It's like shotgunning with a burst. Op Wannabe Slayer PSN: GMANCASH Rage Proficiency V
Arcturis Vanguard Murphys-Law 248	Posted - 2014.08.17 16:28:00 - [33] - Quote The burst is awesome. Takes out all suits quickly if your aim is spot on, though with the limited burst before overheat, it can kill you quickly if your engaging a large group of red dots. It's perfect for PC to deal with pesky scouts quickly, and having a mix of boundless with burst can clean up big groups of heavies with ease, even under reps. I don't think there needs to be any tweaks to the burst for awhile. More testing and data needs to be collected, especially is PC, to see if it is really too strong, but I like where it's at for the time being. Amarr Heavy V Amarr Assault V Caldari Scout V Caldari logistic IV Prof V HMG & FORGE Prof IV CR, SMG Prof III ScR
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1300	Posted - 2014.08.17 18:38:00 - [34] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: burst HMG is fine.. its like 3-5 constant bursts before it overheats You get six bursts. The gun overheats on the 7th.


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