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PoP SoTa
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Posted - 2014.08.13 17:09:00 -
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Jaselyn Cabellos wrote:Imagine the Dust community is a person. And so is CCP. CCP and the Dust community are getting married. All CCP wants is dust happy. CCP presents Dust with good work, but dust continues to only point at the negatives in CCP's hard work. CCP looks at there work and then flashes back to Dust saying the work is trash. CCP says "its not good enough". Dust thinks CCP. Just said its not good enough right out of the blue. CCP was really quoting what Dust told him
CCP presents Dust with a new Project and Dust tells CCP its gonna be terrible even before CCP starts.
This describes what the dust community is doing to CCP. I imagine that CCP didn't just decide " Dust was an Epic fail". I imagine that CCP was just taking your word for it. I'll show you what I wanna see on the forums.
*I like what you added there, its very efficient however one thing that could be better is (states point).*
Maybe if your title wasn't "Dust is Epic fail" and more like "1 thing CCP could add" or "One thing I think will make the game better" it would make CCP want to view it.
Try looking at what CCP did good for once instead of telling them there work is trash.
That, is: Constructive Criticism. And it sickens me that 80% of the CCP community has no clue what this is. I'd hope this thread will change the community. And I'd hope that CCP agrees too.
You know, I'd really like CCP to add ... *It goes to legion*
Or maybe they could add... *Goes to legion*
Oh, you what would be really cool for this game to have? *Also goes to legion*
I'm supposed to thank this company for taking my money and leaving to another platformed? No one played this game because the game itself is good - we played because CCP promised it a future. So we helped, we told CCP where the bad parts are so they can fix it, so when they finally start advertisement and marketing they'll have that AAA game they always wanted.
Blaming us for being too critical is the stupidest ******* thing I have ever heard and makes me want to delete your toon. CCP decided themselves to abandon us - and it wasn't over the game being bad... because Legion is the same damn thing but with all the updates we were complaining for!
This thread is bad and so are you.
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PoP SoTa
Company of Marcher Lords
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Posted - 2014.08.13 17:55:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Jaselyn Cabellos wrote:Whatever. Just please stop posting on this thread. I don't welcome your negativity you nasty ungreatful prick. No
Support the hating cause!
We showed CCP love at one time - before Chrome when missiles one shot whole squads. Then Chrome came, we got a bit bitter since one weapon dominated all for months. Then Open Beta came, and nades insta exploded and passives weren't working.
Then Uprising came, destroying the game and killing half the community. Then we were promised Cores were almost done and contest was coming such as bombers, pilot suits, crusader suits... all just dropped without a word.
But we kept hoping, Fanfest was on it's way, and there was NO WAY they could do worse then Uprising.
Maaaaaaan, were we wrong.
Fanboys should all be biomassed.
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PoP SoTa
Company of Marcher Lords
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.08.13 18:00:00 -
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IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:Jaselyn Cabellos wrote:
Constructive Criticism. And it sickens me that 80% of the Dust community has no clue what this is.
I think you're wrong. I am willing to bet most people do know what that is, but it was ignored so many times that they gave up trying.
^^^^^^^^^^^
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PoP SoTa
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Posted - 2014.08.13 19:29:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:The OP is not constructive criticism; its bullying in most places.
Constructive Criticism involves three parts.
CLEARLY pointing out the flaw.
FULLY UNDERSTANDING the flaw
OFFERING alternatives or solutions to correct the flaw that respects the UNDERSTANDING of the flaw.
Did you just admit you've been bullying the forums for years? Lol
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PoP SoTa
Company of Marcher Lords
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Posted - 2014.08.13 20:49:00 -
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Jathniel wrote:There's no reason to be upset with CCP atm.
And EVERY reason to be happy with them.
They are taking the concept that Dust SHOULD have been, and moving it to a platform where the concept CAN exist.
The game looks and behaves nothing like it was advertised. Unlike, EVE which promises fun, engrossing personal meta-story and epic battles. AND DELIVERS.
The only people crying about Legion, are poor fools that are too damn cheap to buy a better platform.
Not CCP's fault that a PC or PS4 is out of your budget, and they are under no obligation to cater to your outdated hardware or sense of contentment.
CCP is doing well "divorcing" Dust. She bltched too much.
Good on you, CCP.
Biomass, please. Especially if you think Legion will be any better.
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PoP SoTa
Company of Marcher Lords
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.08.13 22:46:00 -
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Jaselyn Cabellos wrote:PoP SoTa wrote:Jaselyn Cabellos wrote:Imagine the Dust community is a person. And so is CCP. CCP and the Dust community are getting married. All CCP wants is dust happy. CCP presents Dust with good work, but dust continues to only point at the negatives in CCP's hard work. CCP looks at there work and then flashes back to Dust saying the work is trash. CCP says "its not good enough". Dust thinks CCP. Just said its not good enough right out of the blue. CCP was really quoting what Dust told him
CCP presents Dust with a new Project and Dust tells CCP its gonna be terrible even before CCP starts.
This describes what the dust community is doing to CCP. I imagine that CCP didn't just decide " Dust was an Epic fail". I imagine that CCP was just taking your word for it. I'll show you what I wanna see on the forums.
*I like what you added there, its very efficient however one thing that could be better is (states point).*
Maybe if your title wasn't "Dust is Epic fail" and more like "1 thing CCP could add" or "One thing I think will make the game better" it would make CCP want to view it.
Try looking at what CCP did good for once instead of telling them there work is trash.
That, is: Constructive Criticism. And it sickens me that 80% of the CCP community has no clue what this is. I'd hope this thread will change the community. And I'd hope that CCP agrees too. You know, I'd really like CCP to add ... *It goes to legion* Or maybe they could add... *Goes to legion* Oh, you what would be really cool for this game to have? *Also goes to legion* I'm supposed to thank this company for taking my money and leaving to another platform? 2 years here, and I should be thankful I wasted my time believing in a lie? No one played this game because the game itself is good - we played because CCP promised it a future. So we helped, we told CCP where the bad parts are so they can fix it, so when they finally start advertisement and marketing they'll have that AAA game they always wanted. Blaming us for being too critical is the stupidest ******* thing I have ever heard and makes me want to delete your toon. CCP decided themselves to abandon us - and it wasn't over the game being bad... because Legion is the same damn thing but with all the updates we were complaining for! This thread is bad and so are you. Even if the thread was bad, how does that make me a bad individual?
Fanboy. A term that has turned into a bit of a curse word. :3
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PoP SoTa
Company of Marcher Lords
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Posted - 2014.08.13 23:00:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:There is comstructive criticism. Its overshadowed by the sheep herd like, "make my items stronger and theirs weaker cause it kills me" mindset.
The key is objectivity, something that community has trouble envisioning. Maybe CPMs should be the only ones communicating with CCP instead of general discussions as a whole. That requires trust that the CPM also looks at things objectively.
Ive been playing for two years and I have seen changes proposed that are entirely selfish and not thought out. Only the immediate effect is looked at.
I know some.might be tired of me bringing up this example but its a good one. Scanners. No one hardly used them until some of the few who did asked for WP for killed scan targets. Everyone thought it was a good idea. Only a few people thought beyond the immediate. That added WPs (incentive) to scans would cause a influx of scanner users. You should be wanting to scan for squad benefits, not for WPs. What happened? Everyone jumped into scanners and scannerinas were born which caused their inevitable nerf into oblivion which also impacted honest users who now had to dump the tool for a more viable option.
So objectivity, the understanding of the impact pre and post is needed.
Uhm, what? We all knew that, why do you think everyone asked for the WP gain to be so small? A lot of us thought 10 was fine, we got 15 instead. There's a reason beyond immediate use to use every other equipment if it effects something physically, scanning does just that, physically reveals enemies on your map. It was be unfair to anyone who spec scan to not be rewarded. It's CCP's fault for not calculating that in with everything else when it came to total WP To earn WP cost.
But 5000 WP is ******* ridiculous - that's just taking away OB's from pubs completely. Should of been upped to 3500.
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PoP SoTa
Company of Marcher Lords
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Posted - 2014.08.13 23:34:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:PoP SoTa wrote:Michael Arck wrote:There is comstructive criticism. Its overshadowed by the sheep herd like, "make my items stronger and theirs weaker cause it kills me" mindset.
The key is objectivity, something that community has trouble envisioning. Maybe CPMs should be the only ones communicating with CCP instead of general discussions as a whole. That requires trust that the CPM also looks at things objectively.
Ive been playing for two years and I have seen changes proposed that are entirely selfish and not thought out. Only the immediate effect is looked at.
I know some.might be tired of me bringing up this example but its a good one. Scanners. No one hardly used them until some of the few who did asked for WP for killed scan targets. Everyone thought it was a good idea. Only a few people thought beyond the immediate. That added WPs (incentive) to scans would cause a influx of scanner users. You should be wanting to scan for squad benefits, not for WPs. What happened? Everyone jumped into scanners and scannerinas were born which caused their inevitable nerf into oblivion which also impacted honest users who now had to dump the tool for a more viable option.
So objectivity, the understanding of the impact pre and post is needed. Uhm, what? We all knew that, why do you think everyone asked for the WP gain to be so small? A lot of us thought 10 was fine, we got 15 instead. There's a reason beyond immediate use to use every other equipment if it effects something physically, scanning does just that, physically reveals enemies on your map. It was be unfair to anyone who spec scan to not be rewarded. It's CCP's fault for not calculating that in with everything else when it came to total WP To earn WP cost. But 5000 WP is ******* ridiculous - that's just taking away OB's from pubs completely. Should of been upped to 3500. Of everything in my post, you decided the scanner part should be discussed further? Not the entire context of what I'm expressing? Here's two points you should take from my post. 1. Constructive criticism is present, its just overlooked. Negativity is more focused on than the positive 2. We must also look at things objectively. We must examine a theory, the ins and outs to get a better understanding so we don't end up with suggestions that are implemented that does more harm than good.
yea, sorry, your post sorta bored me on that content. Preaching about how people should post in GD when you actually are referring to the format Feedback section uses is just sorta silly and makes me think your all idiots.
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PoP SoTa
Company of Marcher Lords
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.08.13 23:45:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:PoP SoTa wrote:
yea, sorry, your post sorta bored me on that content. Preaching about how people should post in GD when you actually are referring to the format Feedback section uses is just sorta silly and makes me think your all idiots.
To assume that of all is to make oneself a fool and vulnerable. No, I mainly camp around GD, rookie section and war room. I have seen it for myself how that scanner thing went, right here in GD. People need to start speaking more in the GD. Cause like I said in your thread, GD runs your Dust 514. Their tears has been changing this game for a while now. It's a bit aggravating at times.
I'll blow your mind for a second - CCP actually looks at Feedback waaaay more. They just don't discuss it as much there for some odd reason. But if you want to be taken seriously by CCP it's the best approach.
What you tend to see is that CCP looks at GD to see how the game trends are - there stats don't always work to show a players enjoyment, the ScR might be **** on paper but if by the use of the gun people aren't enjoying it GD will be the place to turn too to find that out and the many opinions and examples of why. Feedback doesn't offer that.
But if you want numbers changed, rather then mechanics, Feedback is where you need to be. GD changes mostly effect general game mechanics like movement and handling, while feedback deals with the gritty work.
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PoP SoTa
Company of Marcher Lords
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.08.13 23:49:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:PoP SoTa wrote:Michael Arck wrote:PoP SoTa wrote:
yea, sorry, your post sorta bored me on that content. Preaching about how people should post in GD when you actually are referring to the format Feedback section uses is just sorta silly and makes me think your all idiots.
To assume that of all is to make oneself a fool and vulnerable. No, I mainly camp around GD, rookie section and war room. I have seen it for myself how that scanner thing went, right here in GD. People need to start speaking more in the GD. Cause like I said in your thread, GD runs your Dust 514. Their tears has been changing this game for a while now. It's a bit aggravating at times. I'll blow your mind for a second - CCP actually looks at Feedback waaaay more. They just don't discuss it as much there for some odd reason. But if you want to be taken seriously by CCP it's the best approach. What you tend to see is that CCP looks at GD to see how the game trends are - there stats don't always work to show a players enjoyment, the ScR might be **** on paper but if by the use of the gun people aren't enjoying it GD will be the place to turn too to find that out and the many opinions and examples of why. Feedback doesn't offer that. But if you want numbers changed, rather then mechanics, Feedback is where you need to be. GD changes mostly effect general game mechanics like movement and handling, while feedback deals with the gritty work. Copy that
You're a CCP employee, aren't you? I've noticed a trend in your posting favors CCP while creeping on ways for people to get more involved while still seemingly upset with it all.
Fishy :3
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PoP SoTa
Company of Marcher Lords
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.08.13 23:53:00 -
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Death Shadow117 wrote:Jaselyn Cabellos wrote:Imagine the Dust community is a person. And so is CCP. CCP and the Dust community are getting married. All CCP wants is dust happy. CCP presents Dust with good work, but dust continues to only point at the negatives in CCP's hard work. CCP looks at there work and then flashes back to Dust saying the work is trash. CCP says "its not good enough". Dust thinks CCP. Just said its not good enough right out of the blue. CCP was really quoting what Dust told him
CCP presents Dust with a new Project and Dust tells CCP its gonna be terrible even before CCP starts.
This describes what the dust community is doing to CCP. I imagine that CCP didn't just decide " Dust was an Epic fail". I imagine that CCP was just taking your word for it. I'll show you what I wanna see on the forums.
*I like what you added there, its very efficient however one thing that could be better is (states point).*
Maybe if your title wasn't "Dust is Epic fail" and more like "1 thing CCP could add" or "One thing I think will make the game better" it would make CCP want to view it.
Try looking at what CCP did good for once instead of telling them there work is trash.
That, is: Constructive Criticism. And it sickens me that 80% of the Dust community has no clue what this is. I'd hope this thread will change the community. And I'd hope that CCP agrees too. Yes i think this is the most volatile cancerous gaming community that i have ever seen. Most of the community doesn't suggest helpful things but ***** when they dont get what they want.
git gud.
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