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Groz'zar Kazoku
Company of Marcher Lords
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.08.11 09:07:00 -
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Okay say I was rocking a scrambler rifle.
+20% vs shields(35% with scrambler skill)
-20% vs armor
how would 10% weaponry skiill.
14% 3 complex damage modes.
with all that what would the damage vs sheilds be vs armor? lets use the STD scrambler rifle for this. 65 damage.
Edit: I know charged shot does 3.5x but we don't need to factor that in yet. |
CUSE TOWN333
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.08.11 09:21:00 -
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factor in the charge plus headshot and now your cooking with gas.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.08.11 09:30:00 -
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Multiply the raw damage by your damage mod multiplier.
Then multiply it by the damage profile multiplier.
14% damage mod increase with a 65 damage shot? That takes you to 74.1 raw damage.
Vs shields: 88.9
Vs armour: 59.3
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Groz'zar Kazoku
Company of Marcher Lords
Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2014.08.11 09:37:00 -
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okay so 65+24%=80.6
Shields: 108.81
Armor: 64.48
So it would almost negate the shield pen to have this build then? |
Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.08.11 09:45:00 -
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Groz'zar Kazoku wrote:okay so 65+24%=80.6
Shields: 108.81
Armor: 64.48
So it would almost negate the armor pen to have this build then?
On a side note that scary for most shield users. o-o 380.835 vs shields fully charged not including if you manage a head shot.
Yes but armor would lol at you.
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Groz'zar Kazoku
Company of Marcher Lords
Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2014.08.11 09:51:00 -
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Well I can generally get about 5 more shots on a heavy before he sees me. So 322 armor hp... ya they wouldn't really be too hurt. Unless I was backing up a few of my guys with a long range barrage to weaken him. |
Coleman Gray
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.08.11 11:43:00 -
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3 damage mods don't equal 14%? Not positive on the math but even 3 complex dmg mods don't equal that surely?
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JONAHBENHUR
Inner.Hell
37
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Posted - 2014.08.11 14:51:00 -
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stacking penalty
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
2747
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Posted - 2014.08.11 16:38:00 -
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Coleman Gray wrote:3 damage mods don't equal 14%? Not positive on the math but even 3 complex dmg mods don't equal that surely?
1st Mod = 5.000%
2nd Mod = 4.345%
3rd Mod = 2.855%
4th Mod = 1.415%
5th Mod = 0.530%
So no, you're not getting 14% bonus to damage with damage mods, I'd stop at 2 and put something else in your high slots.
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Stacking_penalties#The_Formula
And yes, they use the same formula for EVE and Dust
EDIT: Also to clarify, when you say weaponry skill, I assume you're talking about a Commando bonus to the weapon, which is +10% at level 5? |
danie sous
DUST BRASIL S.A
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.08.11 17:00:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Coleman Gray wrote:3 damage mods don't equal 14%? Not positive on the math but even 3 complex dmg mods don't equal that surely? 1st Mod = 5.000% 2nd Mod = 4.345% 3rd Mod = 2.855% 4th Mod = 1.415% 5th Mod = 0.530% So no, you're not getting 14% bonus to damage with damage mods, I'd stop at 2 and put something else in your high slots. http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Stacking_penalties#The_FormulaAnd yes, they use the same formula for EVE and Dust EDIT: Also to clarify, when you say weaponry skill, I assume you're talking about a Commando bonus to the weapon, which is +10% at level 5?
So how would the math be?
(Alpha( damage mods% + passive dropsuit% ) ) (shield/armor penalty%+ weapon passive%)? |
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
2749
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Posted - 2014.08.11 17:05:00 -
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danie sous wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Coleman Gray wrote:3 damage mods don't equal 14%? Not positive on the math but even 3 complex dmg mods don't equal that surely? 1st Mod = 5.000% 2nd Mod = 4.345% 3rd Mod = 2.855% 4th Mod = 1.415% 5th Mod = 0.530% So no, you're not getting 14% bonus to damage with damage mods, I'd stop at 2 and put something else in your high slots. http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Stacking_penalties#The_FormulaAnd yes, they use the same formula for EVE and Dust EDIT: Also to clarify, when you say weaponry skill, I assume you're talking about a Commando bonus to the weapon, which is +10% at level 5? So how would the math be? (Alpha( damage mods% + passive dropsuit% + passive weapon% ) ) *shield/armor penalty?
I will admit I'm not 100% sure so if I'm wrong, please someone correct me.
But basically you want to apply all skill bonuses first, so if you're using commando add the +10%, then break it up into the Armor and shield profile, then apply proficiency.
Shield Damage = (X * 1+(0.1+0.2+0.15)
Armor Damage = ((x * 1+(0.1-0.2)
So now you have your base vs shields, and vs armor damage. Then you apply the damage mods to that. Again that's my understanding of how its calculated, but take it with a grain of salt.
EDIT: You know actually doing a calc I think I'm totally wrong haha. |
Thumb Green
Raymond James Corp
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Posted - 2014.08.11 17:13:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Coleman Gray wrote:3 damage mods don't equal 14%? Not positive on the math but even 3 complex dmg mods don't equal that surely? 1st Mod = 5.000% 2nd Mod = 4.345% 3rd Mod = 2.855% 4th Mod = 1.415% 5th Mod = 0.530% So no, you're not getting 14% bonus to damage with damage mods, I'd stop at 2 and put something else in your high slots. http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Stacking_penalties#The_FormulaAnd yes, they use the same formula for EVE and Dust EDIT: Also to clarify, when you say weaponry skill, I assume you're talking about a Commando bonus to the weapon, which is +10% at level 5?
I'm curious, did they ever remove that +10% damage they gave to handheld weapons after the uproar of them removing it from the weaponry skill? I can't recall if it was a magic 10% or if it was just added straight to the weapons.
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
2749
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Posted - 2014.08.11 17:15:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:
I'm curious, did they ever remove that +10% damage they gave to handheld weapons after the uproar of them removing it from the weaponry skill? I can't recall if it was a magic 10% or if it was just added straight to the weapons.
Well yes and no. There was no sweeping 10% reduction after they gave it to all weapons, but many weapons have been reduced by a similar value since then. |
Groz'zar Kazoku
Company of Marcher Lords
Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2014.08.11 18:32:00 -
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3 complex mods in hotfix charlie =17% idk where I got 14 from XD so ya sorry about that. but ya Charlie is buffing the crap out of the light damage mods.
7.00
6.08
3.99
1.98
0.74 |
Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
2760
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Posted - 2014.08.11 18:44:00 -
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Groz'zar Kazoku wrote:3 complex mods in hotfix charlie =17% idk where I got 14 from XD so ya sorry about that. but ya Charlie is buffing the crap out of the light damage mods.
Light damage mod.
7.00
6.08
3.99
1.98
0.74
Sidearm damage mod.
8.00
6.95
4.56
2.26
0.85
Hmm they're pushing them back up a bit huh? Can't say I'm a fan of that but we'll see how it goes.
Do you have a link to where you got the info? |
Groz'zar Kazoku
Company of Marcher Lords
Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2014.08.11 18:46:00 -
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It was in the Protofits. i assume its correct but I am new and I could be makeing a dumbass mistake trusting it. idk. just load up a caldari proto assault and you can fit 5 on it. then scroll to the weapons on that left side panel and it shows a break down of the mods if you hover over the damage. |
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