DUST Search - Rifle suggestions

Breakin Stuff wrote:

Unfortunately your logic falls apart when confronted with one thing. The Rail Rifle's DPS is outclassed by the assault rifle. it's meant to be a beast at range, in fact caldari weapons are ideally suited to not engaging in close. Shields and brawls do not mix well.

The Rail Rifle is meant to be the longest-ranged of the four standard rifles. This is working as intended. Different weapons and fits are intended to spur adaptation and tactical/fitting flexibility in DUST fights. It is not a game that rewards "One True Build" syndrome.

It's rather akin to the flact that almost none of the weapons in the game behave in similar fashion to other racial counterparts at the baseline level. A Combat Rifle doesn't behave like an Assault Rifle. An Assault Combat Rifle Can behave similarly but not identically.

This is a feature, not a bug.

And no, the Rail rifle was not based off the Tommy Gun. None of the weapons were. It's more akin to the Browning Automatic Rifle (BAR).


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TIMMY DAVIS Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 28	Posted - 2014.08.10 19:55:00 - [1] - Quote Reduce the Rail Rifle effective range to that of AR's. The Thompson Gun, which it's losely based on, I think, had an effective range of 50 yards or so. In Dust world, the Rail rifles have a longer range than the AR's (which are losely based on the M-16/AK47, the M-16 can be used as a sniper rifle, 500 yards or more.) I'm not saying make AR's effective to that range. I'm saying that the two should be reversed. AR's should have a longer range than RR's. And scrambler pistols can be effective from farther away than some AR's, this seems really weird. - If nothing else Increase the Breach Rifles and the Tactical Rifles effective range. At least as long as the RR. It's hard enough to kill a Commando, but then when it has a Rail Rifle and a Shotgun and someone who knows how to use them and it's silly. - Right now the only way for a Medium to kill a Heavy seems to be from a long range and keep moving and sniping, or surprise it up close and go for a head shot while dancing around it, while somehow not getting hit yourself. - The Tactical Rifle has a really good site, but doesn't seem to have a range that is greater than other AR's. Is that true? and why isn't it longer? If you make the Tactical Rifle a mini sniper rifle it will be used more. - Fix the MD's site so it can be more effectively used, include numbers on the notches for 25-50 meters. Right Now, there are a handful of people who can use it really well and I mean that, a handful, 10 or 12. The rest of the population doesn't even try. Trying to figure out range on the fly, it's not easy. Buff some of the less used AR's and nerf the RR.
TIMMY DAVIS Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 28	Posted - 2014.08.10 20:20:00 - [2] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: You know nothing Troll
TIMMY DAVIS Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 28	Posted - 2014.08.10 20:52:00 - [3] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Unfortunately your logic falls apart when confronted with one thing. The Rail Rifle's DPS is outclassed by the assault rifle. it's meant to be a beast at range, in fact caldari weapons are ideally suited to not engaging in close. Shields and brawls do not mix well. The Rail Rifle is meant to be the longest-ranged of the four standard rifles. This is working as intended. Different weapons and fits are intended to spur adaptation and tactical/fitting flexibility in DUST fights. It is not a game that rewards "One True Build" syndrome. It's rather akin to the flact that almost none of the weapons in the game behave in similar fashion to other racial counterparts at the baseline level. A Combat Rifle doesn't behave like an Assault Rifle. An Assault Combat Rifle Can behave similarly but not identically. This is a feature, not a bug. And no, the Rail rifle was not based off the Tommy Gun. None of the weapons were. It's more akin to the Browning Automatic Rifle (BAR). -- Gee thanks Troll. Everything you say from now on will be ignored
TIMMY DAVIS Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 28	Posted - 2014.08.10 23:42:00 - [4] - Quote please stop. just because you think, you know, what's going doesn't mean that you do. There are other threads. You don't like my idea, so be it. Good Day
TIMMY DAVIS Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 28	Posted - 2014.08.11 02:09:00 - [5] - Quote Right. Beings jerks is allowed and quite frankly encouraged on this forum. I am not one of the 10-12 that can actually use the MD, I just watch. About once a week someone who knows how to use it kills a bunch of folks. Most of the time I see it, the MD is used in a tunnel environment and the person is just shooting in the direction of the enemy, very little care if they are actually hitting anything. The MD reticle has three or four different levels/notches. put a little number next to each little notch to give a general distance, 25 meters, 50 meters, 80 meters etc. This would encourage it's use. Some idea of how far you are going to be shooting once you have picked the thing you are going to shoot at. As for the other weapons. There needs to be a real counter measure to Rail Rifle. RR are OP and have been since they were introduced. In this game you are really limited. You start shooting at someone, they duck behind something. You wait a second or two for them to show up again and they shoot you once with a Rail Rifle and you're dead. Almost any other weapon and you can live and at least try to shoot back. - Right now, you could use a Laser Rifle, a Scrambler Rifle, Plasma Cannon or Mass Driver. The other weapons do not have the same range, and frankly the MD and the LP can not work, because they do not do enough damage fast enough. If you put the RR into the hands of a Heavy it starts to dominate. Once you start shooting the Heavy you have to kill it before it finds you, or you are dead, the RR from say 25 meters and farther is that potent. The only effective way to kill them is to get more than two people firing at them. Not always possible. The other option is of course try to get a different angle and hit them as hard as possible before they can target you and hope you do enough damage to kill them. The last option is to actually change the distance some of the other weapons fire. Quite frankly this seems to be the one that makes the most sense. As it would effect the most number of game players and at least a little, balance things out, not completely, but some.