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ROMULUS H3X
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Posted - 2014.08.10 17:42:00 -
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Hello, your friendly galactic Heavy Researcher here. I would like to hear some input on the justification of the extensive CPU/PG drop on sentinel suits from this community forum.
Having prototype level in 3 of the four sentinel suits, save the Amarr for last for I played with that one for too long, had to test all the others before I went back to it. Now that it is getting all of it's low slots back, further testing is needed and I again want to use the Amarr sentinel..*Cough* respec *cough* Ahemm.. sorry, I am getting off topic.
Again, anyone know the main goal behind the CPU/PG debuff slated to happen the next hotfix?
Thank you for your time.
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Cody Sietz
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Posted - 2014.08.10 17:47:00 -
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It was to make fitting light weapons harder.
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Crimson ShieId
Psygod9
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Posted - 2014.08.10 17:50:00 -
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Rattati said it was to keep the suits from fitting all proto modules and weapons, even at advanced levels. The suits could simply fit too much and they want to fix that so that heavies have to make sacrifices if they want to fit better modules or weapons.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.08.10 17:52:00 -
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Because presently the heavy suit can fit all proto modules and weapons without making any fitting compromises whatsoever.
No other suit can do this.
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Thumb Green
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Posted - 2014.08.10 17:56:00 -
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It was way to easy to fit all proto on the proto, hell I can almost fit all proto on my A/1; if I forgo the grenade I can slap all complex mods, Cala's SMG and Gastun's HMG on that b!tch.
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Bojo The Mighty
Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno
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Posted - 2014.08.10 17:59:00 -
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^ the above three answers
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ROMULUS H3X
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Posted - 2014.08.10 18:09:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:It was way to easy to fit all proto on the proto, hell I can almost fit all proto on my A/1; if I forgo the grenade I can slap all complex mods, Cala's SMG and Gastun's HMG on that b!tch. Edit: And I'd like to point out my electronics is at 4 and my engineering is at 3, I have no weapon optimization skills to reduce pg usage, my heavy weapon op & sidearm op is at 3
Indeed, I did find at the proto level that I always had way more than i needed.
Yet at ADV level I always seemed to make all my fits snug close to the maximum CPU and/or PG
I guess my ADV minmatar sentinel with 2 Complex rechargers (44hp/sec) and 2 Complex armor reps (18.75hpsec) was a little OP with my ADV forge gun and gn-20 flaylock pistol. Hehe, time to have some fun refitting all these suits, I like a challenge.
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ROMULUS H3X
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Posted - 2014.08.10 18:18:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:It was to make fitting light weapons harder.
Someone mentioned this to me yesterday, are light weapons really harder to fit than the 2 heavy weapons CPU/PG wise?
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Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.08.10 18:27:00 -
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ROMULUS H3X wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:It was to make fitting light weapons harder. Someone mentioned this to me yesterday, are light weapons really harder to fit than the 2 heavy weapons CPU/PG wise?
they will be with the 25% (At Proto) cost break for fitting heavy weapons. |
Thumb Green
The Valyrian Guard
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Posted - 2014.08.10 18:29:00 -
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ROMULUS H3X wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:It was to make fitting light weapons harder. Someone mentioned this to me yesterday, are light weapons really harder to fit than the 2 heavy weapons CPU/PG wise?
The AR and ScR are about on par with the HMG for CPU/PG. The RR requires less CPU but more PG and the CR is less on both CPU & PG.
Edit: Honestly though light weapon heavies are a joke. Easy as pie to rip up with the HMG in CQC and they can't strafe as fast so more bullets hit them at range and they also tend to have a slower regen so unless they have a logi repping them it's easy to pop in and out of cover to kill them at range. The only thing it does give them is the ability to fight back at range; though to be fair range is supposed to be one of a heavies weaknesses.
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bamboo x
Eternal Beings
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Posted - 2014.08.10 18:33:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Because presently the heavy suit can fit all proto modules and weapons without making any fitting compromises whatsoever.
No other suit can do this.
*cough* Logi yes it can *cough*
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.08.10 18:38:00 -
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bamboo x wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Because presently the heavy suit can fit all proto modules and weapons without making any fitting compromises whatsoever.
No other suit can do this. *cough* Logi yes it can *cough*
No, it can't.
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Mejt0
Made in Poland...
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Posted - 2014.08.10 18:38:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Because presently the heavy suit can fit all proto modules and weapons without making any fitting compromises whatsoever.
No other suit can do this.
http://www.protofits.com/fittings/view/1215/6386
Everything proto excepnt no granade. 0 optimization skills. Full proto. Nothing will change ( maybe for Caldaris, i heard)
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NO U TURN
Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.08.10 18:39:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:It was to make fitting light weapons harder.
That is so funny! Since they are nerfing the HMG, I wont be running anything EXCEPT light weapons...
Mass drivers and rail rifles woot woot. Take that you dirty rat! |
Mejt0
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Posted - 2014.08.10 18:41:00 -
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NO U TURN wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:It was to make fitting light weapons harder. That is so funny! Since they are nerfing the HMG, I wont be running anything EXCEPT light weapons... Mass drivers and rail rifles woot woot. Take that you dirty rat!
Your said nerf is 3more overheat per second and little lower range. You will still get 100% dmg up to 35m.
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Posted - 2014.08.10 18:41:00 -
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NO U TURN wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:It was to make fitting light weapons harder. That is so funny! Since they are nerfing the HMG, I wont be running anything EXCEPT light weapons... Mass drivers and rail rifles woot woot. Take that you dirty rat!
Oh no. it will heat up faster. The nerf will cripple us all. *yawn.* |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.08.10 18:41:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Because presently the heavy suit can fit all proto modules and weapons without making any fitting compromises whatsoever.
No other suit can do this. http://www.protofits.com/fittings/view/1215/6386Everything proto except no granade. 0 optimization skills. Full proto. Nothing will change ( maybe for Caldaris, i heard) Well.. what do people camplain for ;/
Heh.
I was just doing the same thing: http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/230/6387
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Mejt0
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Posted - 2014.08.10 18:44:00 -
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And that is a fitting. Full proto or go home 
PS. Amarr assault with 5 compx reactives can fit Allotek hives + 2compx dmg mods, viziam etc.
We caldaris will have hard times now.
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Storm Wind Strikeforce
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Posted - 2014.08.10 18:46:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:bamboo x wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Because presently the heavy suit can fit all proto modules and weapons without making any fitting compromises whatsoever.
No other suit can do this. *cough* Logi yes it can *cough* No, it can't.
My Mk0 logi says otherwise!
Mko logi
Thale
4 complex damage mods
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.08.10 18:49:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:And that is a fitting. Full proto or go home PS. Amarr assault with 5 compx reactives can fit Allotek hives + 2compx dmg mods, viziam etc. We caldaris will have hard times now.
I suspect the Amarr assault will be the strongest of the batch come Charlie. Honestly, I think it's always been the strongest thanks to that bonus.
The Calassault shields look fantastic but it won't survive an Amarr assault.
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Mejt0
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Posted - 2014.08.10 18:52:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Mejt0 wrote:And that is a fitting. Full proto or go home PS. Amarr assault with 5 compx reactives can fit Allotek hives + 2compx dmg mods, viziam etc. We caldaris will have hard times now. I suspect the Amarr assault will be the strongest of the batch come Charlie. Honestly, I think it's always been the strongest thanks to that bonus. The Calassault shields look fantastic but it won't survive an Amarr assault. NO U TURN wrote:
My Mk0 logi says otherwise!
Mko logi
Thale
4 complex damage mods
4 complex armour plate
87 cpu left
5 pg left
I build my nest before I sleep in it.
Except that isn't a full proto fitting... You have 5 slots empty.
Yes it wont. But think form other side.
You can get 620 shields, 50shield regen and..wait for it.. 2/3 shield dealys.
Thats gonna hurt with RR on longer distance.
I also think that amarr is/will be strongest assault. With it bonus+dmg mods, Viziam melts armor just little slower than shields.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.08.10 18:54:00 -
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Yeah, Calassault is still going to be an excellent suit.
It just won't hold a candle to the Amarr. 
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Mejt0
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Posted - 2014.08.10 18:55:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Yeah, Calassault is still going to be an excellent suit. It just won't hold a candle to the Amarr.
Yeah. Amarr in town with ScR, caldari go home
That also apply for scouts.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.08.10 18:58:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Yeah, Calassault is still going to be an excellent suit. It just won't hold a candle to the Amarr. Yeah. Amarr in town with ScR, caldari go home That also apply for scouts.
I'm not too unhappy about assaults doing a better job in direct combat than scouts, though. Scouts have a whole host of cool things aside from HP.
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Mejt0
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Posted - 2014.08.10 19:02:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Mejt0 wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Yeah, Calassault is still going to be an excellent suit. It just won't hold a candle to the Amarr. Yeah. Amarr in town with ScR, caldari go home That also apply for scouts. I'm not too unhappy about assaults doing a better job in direct combat than scouts, though. Scouts have a whole host of cool things aside from HP.
Thats true. But Charlie will offer improved Nova Knives.
Anyone else excited for this?
Oh.. okay. Im going to play some dust.
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Cody Sietz
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Posted - 2014.08.10 19:13:00 -
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Amarr might be the best with the boost of dmg mods and the ScR bonus.
But I think Minmatar will be the sleeper here, 4/4 and the CR/SMG bonus is gonna make it a scary glass cannon. Those lows could even make the glass a little harder to crack by using armour mods or just speed tanking.
I honestly can't wait to see what happens because you almost never see Minmatar assaults and the ones you do see...the guys playing em are usually amazing.
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Goonfeet
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Posted - 2014.08.10 19:18:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Amarr might be the best with the boost of dmg mods and the ScR bonus.
But I think Minmatar will be the sleeper here, 4/4 and the CR/SMG bonus is gonna make it a scary glass cannon. Those lows could even make the glass a little harder to crack by using armour mods or just speed tanking.
I honestly can't wait to see what happens because you almost never see Minmatar assaults and the ones you do see...the guys playing em are usually amazing.
Edit: I think the Gal/Cal suits are gonna be good as well. The Caldari might do better to fit a light dmg mod and a sidearm mod(or 2 sidearm mods) and run a MagSec or bolt pistol with their rail rifle.
given the performance of my minmatar heavy suits? I'm tempted to spec right up the minmatar assault chain once I get biotics and shield regulation to 5
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