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JRleo jr
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Posted - 2014.08.10 17:06:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:I'm a little curious as to why you use the current assault fittings. All of them are about to get really shaken up soon, so why not discuss the Charlie fittings?
Anyway, if that's for 'patrolling' I don't think it's fast enough. By patrolling, though, what do you mean? A mobile unit going between objectives, or just wandering around in the general vicinity of an objective?
I think your fit is too slow. You're using short ranged weaponry, but you have nothing to help you get in range. I highly recommend a kincat in place of the enhanced plates. Depending on your playstyle and if you can actually fit kincats, you might consider a second complex rep instead of those enhanced plates. You can get the fitting resources required by downgrading one of the damage mods to an enhanced one, for a minimal difference in damage.
Also, basic locus grenades aren't very good. I recommend a flux, if you must use a standard grenade. The ion pistol is also... Not very good. SMG is better. Kincats won't help you in combat so using them on armor tankers is pointless.
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JRleo jr
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Posted - 2014.08.10 18:13:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:JRleo jr wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:I'm a little curious as to why you use the current assault fittings. All of them are about to get really shaken up soon, so why not discuss the Charlie fittings?
Anyway, if that's for 'patrolling' I don't think it's fast enough. By patrolling, though, what do you mean? A mobile unit going between objectives, or just wandering around in the general vicinity of an objective?
I think your fit is too slow. You're using short ranged weaponry, but you have nothing to help you get in range. I highly recommend a kincat in place of the enhanced plates. Depending on your playstyle and if you can actually fit kincats, you might consider a second complex rep instead of those enhanced plates. You can get the fitting resources required by downgrading one of the damage mods to an enhanced one, for a minimal difference in damage.
Also, basic locus grenades aren't very good. I recommend a flux, if you must use a standard grenade. The ion pistol is also... Not very good. SMG is better. Kincats won't help you in combat so using them on armor tankers is pointless. Dude....Are you new here or something? Kincats will most definietly help a Gallente suit. What good is a CQC fighter if it can't close the distance? Perhaps you are under the idea that all armor tankers are slow? This is not true. In terms of how a typical person would fit their ship in EVE the fastest to slowest Race. Minmatar Gallente Caldari Amarr. Do not be confused by the ignorant plebs on the forums that assume all shield tankers must be fast. In terms of tanking Caldari is the Amarr of shields but you must remember shield values are usually less than armor values. I will say though that Caldari could probably use some more shielding on their suits built in at the expense of Recharge delay NOPE and speed TOO FUNNY I'd love to see shields as a reliable measure of tanking. But more importantly I'd just love to melt away more shields. You do realize kincats are pointless for many reasons? 1. They cut in tank or regen 2. Most of the time people are not that far from another in a fight nor is sprinting around 1 m/s faster going to get you a kill
Need I go on? And this is gallente, and in a competitive environment there really is no point, you need the hp and regen, nor will your sprinting save you, I've used scouts so it doesn't work alot.
Btw, shields need to draw more power so engines don't allow you to go faster, dust is different.
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JRleo jr
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Posted - 2014.08.10 18:26:00 -
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Dj grammer wrote:Topher Mellen wrote:Check out the fit here: -- link --The Hotfix Charlie damage mods are there to act as place holders for the current damage mods. I got a lot of really good feed back from my last fitting thread and I came up with something a little better I think. Let me know what you think. If it's crap, let me know what I should change. edit: punctuation My example fit for the gk.0 assaults. On a personal point of view I am going Minmatar. I already have prototype Min Logistics with maxed out (my point of maxed out) dropsuit upgrades, might as well save time and sp when it comes to picking an assault suit. Thant and I'm used to the Minmatar's playstyle. Why do people fittings suck so bad for combat?
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Posted - 2014.08.10 18:43:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote: You do realize kincats are pointless for many reasons?
I disagree. You're on the EHP > ALL bandwagon and it's flat WRONG
1. They cut in tank or regen
And they allow you the edge to escape TO regen, or to drop onto an enemy from an unexpected angle to flank while your slow buddies distract.
2. Most of the time people are not that far from another in a fight nor is sprinting around 1 m/s faster going to get you a kill
It can give you the edge you need to get the hell out and recover/reload/rearm/repair. I utilize biotics on my minmatar fatsuits just for that reason, to catch a breather. And it works. then when they've been re-engaged by allies... HMG IN THE BACK!
Enjoy your suit not suited for combat (see what I did there?)
In a combat situation 1v1 say behind cover or just 1v1, sprinting slightly faster isn't going to help you, nor has any opponent gotten an edge on me or fled.
I can have 700 armor and 20 hp/s repair, kincats are viable around adv level on scouts, that I know for aure.
Oh and I can do all the things you listed without a single biotic mod, simply because I don't stack 4 armor plates.
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Posted - 2014.08.10 19:21:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:JRleo jr wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote: You do realize kincats are pointless for many reasons?
I disagree. You're on the EHP > ALL bandwagon and it's flat WRONG
1. They cut in tank or regen
And they allow you the edge to escape TO regen, or to drop onto an enemy from an unexpected angle to flank while your slow buddies distract.
2. Most of the time people are not that far from another in a fight nor is sprinting around 1 m/s faster going to get you a kill
It can give you the edge you need to get the hell out and recover/reload/rearm/repair. I utilize biotics on my minmatar fatsuits just for that reason, to catch a breather. And it works. then when they've been re-engaged by allies... HMG IN THE BACK!
Enjoy your suit not suited for combat (see what I did there?) In a combat situation 1v1 say behind cover or just 1v1, sprinting slightly faster isn't going to help you, nor has any opponent gotten an edge on me or fled. I can have 700 armor and 20 hp/s repair, I can move at a decent speed, kincats are viable around adv level on scouts, that I know for sure. Oh I can and do all the things you listed without a single biotic mod, simply because I don't stack 4 armor plates. So please, oh great and powerful biotic master, please tell me how beneficial gaining slight sprinting speed is during a strafe or repping behind cover or shooting from cover. I use biotics on a fatsuit to make it go fasta. You tell me. Dozens of people HMG'd and Mass Driver'd (commando!) last night Can't be wrong! And if it is... I don't wanna be right! On a min fatsuit, maybe, for a gal assault? No
Here's one I made, assuming the ar gets better and ammo is not an issue http://pinkie.ponychan.net/chan/files/src/139691554645.jpg
Um, I meant this. http://www.protofits.com/fittings/view/138/5875
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Posted - 2014.08.10 19:28:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:JRleo jr wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:JRleo jr wrote:[quote=Breakin Stuff] You do realize kincats are pointless for many reasons?
I disagree. You're on the EHP > ALL bandwagon and it's flat WRONG
1. They cut in tank or regen
And they allow you the edge to escape TO regen, or to drop onto an enemy from an unexpected angle to flank while your slow buddies distract.
2. Most of the time people are not that far from another in a fight nor is sprinting around 1 m/s faster going to get you a kill
It can give you the edge you need to get the hell out and recover/reload/rearm/repair. I utilize biotics on my minmatar fatsuits just for that reason, to catch a breather. And it works. then when they've been re-engaged by allies... HMG IN THE BACK! Enjoy your suit not suited for combat (see what I did there?) In a combat situation 1v1 say behind cover or just 1v1, sprinting slightly faster isn't going to help you, nor has any opponent gotten an edge on me or fled. I can have 700 armor and 20 hp/s repair, I can move at a decent speed, kincats are viable around adv level on scouts, that I know for sure. Oh I can and do all the things you listed without a single biotic mod, simply because I don't stack 4 armor plates. So please, oh great and powerful biotic master, please tell me how beneficial gaining slight sprinting speed is during a strafe or repping behind cover or shooting from cover. I use biotics on a fatsuit to make it go fasta. You tell me. Dozens of people HMG'd and Mass Driver'd (commando!) last night Can't be wrong! And if it is... I don't wanna be right! On a min fatsuit, maybe, for a gal assault? No Gal Assault? Nah. that's brawly. One biotic won't hurt the fit, might enhance it for the edge they need to get into AR range with Calassault and Amarrsault. Their real strength will be the ability to armor tank while rocking the Damage mod crack. Dammit there is not a problem with range, the speed is tiny compared to more reps or armor because 90% of the objectives is cqc, I'm rarely out of the engagement range of an ar because I don't go out in the open like an idiot all day, really annoying how you believe wasting a slot on biotics woukd be beneficial in 1v1 situation, and gallente qre faster than amarr, and it's not like they run away on sight, nor would the speed gained by the biotic help much unless they run for awhile.
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Posted - 2014.08.10 19:30:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:This guy is actually saying what should be used in a competitive environment?? I've been in more PC matches than this scrub has been in Pubs.
JRleo jr is actually the perfect example of a blueberry.
Let's observe his traits shall we?
-Assumes he knows more than anywho in the thread even though multiple people are telling him the opposite:
-Only knows one method of playstyle which is Ehp tanking: This shows that he is unable to stay alive by his own skill so he relies on tons of health to make up for his incompetence.
-Assumes he is more competitive than anyone in the thread
- Used a scout suit (Major red flag right there when coupled with the rest of what he's saying as you can tell he has no gun game so he chased FoTM and couldn't even make that work)
- This blueberry combats my shield statement with a false statement to make him look like he's right. Here we have a prime example of a blueberry talking out of his ass when he doesn't know anything.
This guy claims he has 700 armor and 20 hp/s but if you have that much with no biotics you will not have a decent speed. This guy's perception of speed must be severly low because this guys running at around 6.5 m/s and even less if he doesn't have biotic skills to level 5
As we can see JRleo jr has made all the requirements to be called a true noob. Wish him congratulations next time you see him in the re-spawn menu. Aww, how flattering. I'm a closed beta vet. I wasted sp on biotics 5. I have all armor and shield skills map Know how to use cover. Used a min scout in 1.5 and 1.6 And hp or reps is very beneficial especially against the hmg, cr, or the burst dps of the scr. Oh and I was using ar or for armor.
If I wanted slightly more speed I would have gone with shields, which I have.
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JRleo jr
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Posted - 2014.08.10 19:33:00 -
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Aaand your point is? I made an armor auit to have an hp advantage over my caldari suit, and I put the extenders for the extra protection from sudden damage, and an energizer for regen...
Isn't one of the main points of armor ehp?
My caldari assault has 500 shields or 600 if I feel like being a tanky *****.
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Posted - 2014.08.10 19:37:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:JRleo jr wrote:Aww, how flattering. I'm a closed beta vet. I wasted sp on biotics 5. I have all armor and shield skills map Know how to use cover. Used a min scout in 1.5 and 1.6 And hp or reps is very beneficial especially against the hmg, cr, or the burst dps of the scr. A closed Beta Vet and still a blueberry? That's quite an accomplishment. I'm sorry if being able to stomp nyain san or fa in ambush is little skill at all.
Keep thinking your biotic module will increase your combat efficacy, it does not exactly help in a 1v1 fight, and they're qre too many hmg's around, so even in my "slow" suit I can strafe and kill them.
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Posted - 2014.08.10 19:42:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:JRleo jr wrote: I'm sorry if being able to stomp nyain san or fa in ambush is little skill at all. It was actually quite easy, got paid 500k or so when I do. Keep thinking your biotic module will increase your combat efficacy, it does not exactly help in a 1v1 fight, and they're qre too many hmg's around, so even in my "slow" suit I can strafe and kill them.
Does it offend you that people hold a different opinion from your vision of how the world should work? Does the fact that they can make their visions work offend you horribly? Do you need a shoulder to cry on? Kinda does, because a module that increases sprinting speed does nothing in a 1v1 fight
Maybe part of the reason is because I use shields, so I have no armor slowing me down.
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Posted - 2014.08.10 19:46:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:JRleo jr wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:JRleo jr wrote:Aww, how flattering. I'm a closed beta vet. I wasted sp on biotics 5. I have all armor and shield skills map Know how to use cover. Used a min scout in 1.5 and 1.6 And hp or reps is very beneficial especially against the hmg, cr, or the burst dps of the scr. A closed Beta Vet and still a blueberry? That's quite an accomplishment. I'm sorry if being able to stomp nyain san or fa in ambush is little skill at all. Keep thinking your biotic module will increase your combat efficacy, it does not exactly help in a 1v1 fight, and they're qre too many hmg's around, so even in my "slow" suit I can strafe and kill them. And what is this 1v1 crap you keep throwing around? You know this game isn't thunderdome right? You know this game is team based right? Try that 1v1 attitude in a PC match or in an EVE Fleet Battle and see how far it gets you. You keep bringing up 1v1 in a game that's 16v16 and there is your problem. That just makes it better, because more regen and more hp allows more time before withdrawal. And most of my fights in pc are 1v1 or a hmg heavy, because we mostly win.
I said most, when using a non heavy.
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Posted - 2014.08.10 19:47:00 -
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Topher Mellen wrote:Also, to everyone posting fits, please don't post the Hotfix Charlie GK.0, I'm looking for fits for the current version of Dust. Erm, that is the current version, it's garunteed, and no point trying to make goid fits now, hf charlie is soon here.
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Posted - 2014.08.10 19:48:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Topher Mellen wrote:JRleo jr, stop measuring your **** in my thread. No one cares how good anyone is. To the rest of you stop being goaded and keep posting fits for me to compare and contrast with. Thanks Will do, this guy is a lost cause anyway. I'm not sure if I told you this last night but the Gallente Assault Bonus is likely to get changed in Hotfix Delta along with the Caldari Assault and re-tuning of several skills to efficacy based skills. So there's a chance Gallente Assault Could get a better bonus than our current one. You obviously skipped over 1 of my posts, a recent one.
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Posted - 2014.08.10 19:50:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Topher Mellen wrote:JRleo jr, stop measuring your **** in my thread. No one cares how good anyone is. To the rest of you stop being goaded and keep posting fits for me to compare and contrast with. Thanks No no young man, you have it all wrong. You see... I am goading HIM! It's easy enough when someone gets mad because SOMEONE IS BEING WRONG ON THE INTERNET! Even when wrong is a pure matter of both preference, and opinion. But I posted a fit. It has the cardiac regulator because if you're patrolling/hunting you want to be able to move fast at a good clip. Being able to sprint for the better part of a minute and recovering your stamina fully in under ten seconds is a godsend. You'll even outrun a few poorly fit scouts who are bricktanking just because you'll beat them on stamina. Hmm, I rarely see brick tanking scouts anymore, sadly, most I can't scan even with an enganver, mostly shotgunners though.
And in my shield suit I never ran out of stamiba when running away, maybe it's because armor takes longer to regen and is slower, haven't used one in awhile.
And why Don't you want hf charlie fits?
Oh and I was never mad, I'm tired if anything, I've been up for 17-18 hours.
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