Why is the minny depleted shield delay 10 and amarr 8?
shouldn't that be reversed?

No.

The difference is that You have better weaponry bonus than assaults plus sec light weapon. You got eq slot as well. If You want granade slot and extra module slot resign with eq slot so it will be "heavy class"

just a slight EHP buff will do. Why not make the commando a medium frame if a medium frame can have more HP than it?

Consider 2 Complex damage mods (after stacking penalties) is less than the natural 10% built in-damage that commandos get with zero downside....I'd say we get a pretty badass bonus. That paired with the reload speed make commandos pretty damn good at running both AV and AP at the same time.

I'm talking about hotfix charlie.

just a slight EHP buff will do. Why not make the commando a medium frame if a medium frame can have more HP than it?

Commando is closer to medium frame than heavy one. Bonuses, weapons and slot layout.
There is only one thing which is similar to heavy frame: big ass for both commando and heavy.

just a slight EHP buff will do. Why not make the commando a medium frame if a medium frame can have more HP than it?

post charlie here are the negatives of the commando vs the assault

- lower potential EHP
-bigger hit box
- slower regen
-slower
-less staminia
-no grenade

here are the positives of the commando over the assault

- bit better suit bonus ( 1.4x's a complex damage mod) vs asault racial bonus ( mini ammo bonus is almost equal and ammar overheat bonus is arguably better)
-slightly faster reload
-2 light weapons

being that the commando's suits bonus can be easily overcome with the assaults extra slots and still have similar ehp there is alot of big negatives for the cost of that second weapon.

IMO give the commando 1 more slot across the board.

btw i play mini commando and assault at advanced currently. before you ask yes the assault is better at assaulting, the commando at supporting - post charlie the commando is going to be well and truly shafted compared to each other as now i feel they are balanced in relation to each other.

pre charlie balance

basic -> comando wins
advanced = draw
proto -> assault wins

post charlie balance

basic ->maybe a draw
advanced -> strong assault win
proto -> huge assault victory

commandos cannot stack Damage mods the way assaults can, the 10% bonus falls off the grid as horribly useful unless every ****** and their delinquint brother decides that dualtanking is the best way to play. They'll get out-DPS'd by everyone except scouts as well as being nothing special in the personal protection department.

I'm predicting the Commandos to become gimpy, under-DPS'd huge hitboxed, slow assaults who can't do much of anything better.

Who knows? I could be wrong, and they'll work out better in practice than theory.

But looking at the numbers? The ability to carry two light weapons isn't going to make much of a difference in the face of the assault buff.

We'll see how the hotfix plays out before I weigh in on what needs buffing/nerfing.

2 light weapons is the whole point of the commando class.
WTF is the problem? They will remain useful.

Assaults are slightly better in terms of combat. They should have equal tradeoffs.

Assaults are slightly better in terms of combat. They should have equal tradeoffs.

I don't believe the tradeoffs will be equal.

Like I said though. i could be wrong. They might balance out perfectly.

Of course I could suddenly decide to abandon the path of sarcasm and be nice to everyone too.

I figure both are about as likely.

But I COULD be wrong.

I think an extra High or Low slot is in order. For the benefit of two light weapons, and as of Charlie a little more built in-HP, we get the following negatives:
- no grenade slot
- low module slot count (lowest of all the suites)
- slow speed
- large hitbox

The bonus is no better than the sentinel bonus (actually I think it is not as good now that light weapon dmg mods cap at 7% instead of 5%), so that is a moot point.

As much as I'd like a grenade slot, I'd be fine with one more high slot on my min commando.

Low slot* (or is the high slot for armor?) Minmatar are dual tankers who prefer shield, which is why they have more shields than armor.

No they are not.

They are either Shield or Armour Tankers, not both at the same time.....

Speaking as a proto commando, a HP boost like what the assaults are getting would be fine since right now assaults and commando's are pretty balanced. Instead of thinking of yourself as a heavy, consider yourself another variation of the assault, now compare yourself to assaults....we have a higher base hp, higher base damage, 240 melee dmg, and faster reload...we ARE assaults, just some mods are forced upon us as it where.

Low slot* (or is the high slot for armor?) Minmatar are dual tankers who prefer shield, which is why they have more shields than armor.

I just mean in general it would be one slot more. Which one would depend on the race. I would expect another high slot for the min commando. making the slot layout the same as the sentinels of the same race seems to make sense.

I'd be happy with just a higher movement speed. I wouldn't talk buffs till after charlie.

I wouldn't mind the commando getting some slightly better base stats since that seems to be the point of the suit.

Maybe some more CPU/PG, a tiny bit of ehp and whatnot.

It doesn't need a CPU/PG buff. I can fit (ADV min commando) 2 adv light weapons, 1 complex module, 1 enhanced module, and an advanced nanohive. It's fine. The EHP gap is what concerns me.

On my Gallente I have a problem fitting stuff and a plasma cannon, but then again the PLC has a high fitting cost.

It has no PG though lolololololol

It's a heavy suit...so no.

it would be great for my min commando since it has crap pg levels,

I find with the adv min commando, I have to fit one of those high slots with a shield recharger to get around the log PG. Works well, but means I need to be very careful moving between cover because I can get torn to pieces very quickly.

it would be great for my min commando since it has crap pg levels,

Commando is a freaking awesome weapons platform :|

No other class can both AV and Anti Infantry at the same time.
Or bring both a long range rifle and a short range one.
Or having a suppression weapon like the MD to flush targets out of cover and then gun them down.