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843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 183	Posted - 2014.08.09 20:43:00 - [1] - Quote I come on the forums and everyone is qqing about scouts "Scouts are op because they are to fast" "Scouts are op because they can same hp as a assault" "Scouts are op because they can use a cloak" "Scouts are op because they have the smallest hit box" "Scouts are op because they have the best scans and dampening" That is all I"' hearing and today I'm here to get a few things straight to all the scrubs that talk out of their a$$ without having any knowledge about how a scout work. Yes some scouts can hp tank to the point they have 600 hp, but by doing that they give up all aspects of speed to do so, by adding armor plates they get all movement restricted so now they walk slower, run slower, and strafe slower. Yes a scout can have the fastest speeds in the game, they are supposed to have the best speed in the game since they are scouts, but to gain any extra speed they have to give up any kind of extra hp they could have to gain the extra speed. Yes a scout can use a cloak because cloaks are ment to help a scout do its job, which is to use stealth to move around the map but again if they use a cloak the cpu and pg costs restrict the higher end weapons and mods we might use. even though a scout has a reduced fitting cost for cloaks. Yes a scout has the smallest hit box because they are the smallest suit, so a smaller hit box is to be expected. If a scout had the same hit box as an assault or logi or heavy suit then it would never be able do anything at all. Yes scouts have the best eWAR skills because again its there job to be able see everything around them and relay those details back to there squad/team o to help them the best they could. What most of you don't understand is that a scout that is being sneaky and hacking objectives, taking out threats and scanning the entire are he is in, is a scout doing its job. In name a scout is supposed to be sneaky, stealthy and unseen at all times or he is bad at being a scout. And as for these "wall hacks" that you speak of, hits the same as the whole "head glitch" thing that people complain about with snipers, its called rendering.
Heimdallr69 Nyain San 3060	Posted - 2014.08.09 20:50:00 - [2] - Quote The problem is scouts and heavies are the only thing good right now. Hell scouts even get more eq slots than assaults. I have no problem with scouts once the assault gets buffed it'll be fine. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 359	Posted - 2014.08.09 20:50:00 - [3] - Quote typically because the rach talking is founded and steeped in battle experance against them. speed cloak unable to be seen on tacnet shotgun RE small hitbox Calscout bugged hitbox high jumping fast strafing == they can dance around infront of people and not get hit while killing them they can run around 1-2 shotting most everyone unseen their CPU+caldari = stupidly OP shield tanks frisbee RE is just gamebreaking, CCP needs to address RE mechanics Cloak = unscannable and rather hard to see till its too late and you take a hot load of plasma to the face/back currently they can fit same tank as assaults with better regen. (assaultscouts) after stating the above we will see fewer scouts and a metric **-tonne of assaults with Sentinel EHP.. which is a lesser evil then sentinels runnign around with rail rifles with that 25% damage resist to most everything. we may start seeing more Minja's with the nova knife buff too. > LogiBro in Training**
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 359	Posted - 2014.08.09 20:51:00 - [4] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: The problem is scouts and heavies are the only thing good right now. Hell scouts even get more eq slots than assaults. I have no problem with scouts once the assault gets buffed it'll be fine. by heavy you mean sentinel as the problem is RR-Sentinels.. i honestly would love to see some love for Commando's though. maybe a little more speed and 1 more equip slot and maybe 1 more high/low (race specific) > LogiBro in Training
Thurak1 Psygod9 901	Posted - 2014.08.09 21:06:00 - [5] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: The problem is scouts and heavies are the only thing good right now. Hell scouts even get more eq slots than assaults. I have no problem with scouts once the assault gets buffed it'll be fine. by heavy you mean sentinel as the problem is RR-Sentinels.. i honestly would love to see some love for Commando's though. maybe a little more speed and 1 more equip slot and maybe 1 more high/low (race specific) I just wish CCP would start doing things in a controlled manner. By that i mean to make a change, observe for a month (unless its really broken of course) then after some data mining THEN making the next change. CCP has a tendancy of making changes that compound other changes that are all done in the same patch which just makes everyone scream and honestly makes CCP look like a bunch of code slinging baboons. Take a page from sysadmins and learn what change control is. You make a change, you observe what happens, save your work, then only once the change has been observed and has had the desired effect then you work on the next change and follow the same steps.
Smoky The Bear THE SMOKIN GUNZ Dark Taboo 149	Posted - 2014.08.09 21:18:00 - [6] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: The problem is scouts and heavies are the only thing good right now. Hell scouts even get more eq slots than assaults. I have no problem with scouts once the assault gets buffed it'll be fine. whatta joke.. go back to Call of Booty .. You specd into assault so you could take advantage of the flavor of the week weapons.. You got buyers remorse brah? You mad cuz you have to aim before you 1 shot me in my scout suit? Buffing the assault suits is exactly wHat kind of nonsense I expected to hear when they attempted to balance the weapons.. Pffhhhh loser
ghhhyyyrfe34fnh Intara Direct Action Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.08.09 21:20:00 - [7] - Quote No QQ here. Just sick of hearing about how everything is OP against them. FotM chasing little ***** got caught trying to be insta-good like the guys that endured bad Scouts for over a year. Vets made the fittings look good - in their hands. Not something the average scrublet can comprehend, and it shows.
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 746	Posted - 2014.08.09 21:27:00 - [8] - Quote Quote: Yes a scout can use a cloak because cloaks are ment to help a scout do its job, which is to use stealth to move around the map but again if they use a cloak the cpu and pg costs restrict the higher end weapons and mods we might use. even though a scout has a reduced fitting cost for cloaks. You must use a Minmatar Scout, because that's the only one in the game who actually has fitting issues. Every other scout can fit proto across the board without much of an issue. Good stuff though, but you're not going to get people to stop QQing about scouts with a single post. Hopefully the assault buff will change things around a bit, but I'm sure people will still complain about getting Nova Knifed or shotgunned in the back by cloaked scouts. Nova Knives are best sidearm.
Smoky The Bear THE SMOKIN GUNZ Dark Taboo 149	Posted - 2014.08.09 21:27:00 - [9] - Quote ghhhyyyrfe34fnh wrote: No QQ here. Just sick of hearing about how everything is OP against them. FotM chasing little ***** got caught trying to be insta-good like the guys that endured bad Scouts for over a year. Vets made the fittings look good - in their hands. Not something the average scrublet can comprehend, and it shows. Umm I been scout since closed beta and you are 100% correct sir.. Lets be honest, the guys who saw some stupid bluberry post about scouts being op cuz they have cloaks now (and got us all nerfed) just cant get over it.. And have no idea we we've already been heavily nerfedl.. But it just wont matter how hard you nerf me .. Im gonna smack you bishs up.. bottom line New scouts and FOTW chasers cant use the suit, and end up being demolished.. with a quickness.. Scouts are not a problem on the battlefield .. Im the problem .. yes.. that just happened
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 3855	Posted - 2014.08.09 21:27:00 - [10] - Quote Because big brother (heavy) got in trouble and he doesn't want to be alone so he wants to bring little sister (scout) down with him but the middle child (assault) is diabolical and has plans for both of them. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!!

Coleman Gray Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 1010	Posted - 2014.08.09 21:36:00 - [11] - Quote Having THAT small.a hitbox is pretty bullshit If Preparation is half of the battle and knowing is the other half, Then there is no need to fight.
Smoky The Bear THE SMOKIN GUNZ Dark Taboo 149	Posted - 2014.08.09 21:41:00 - [12] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: Having THAT small.a hitbox is pretty bullshit how small brah? did you measure it? or are you just talkn ****?
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 3803	Posted - 2014.08.09 21:48:00 - [13] - Quote Crimson ShieId wrote: You must use a Minmatar Scout, because that's the only one in the game who actually has fitting issues. Every other scout can fit proto across the board without much of an issue. If I run straight proto modules on my Scout Gk.0, I'll generally have room for only one more proto item. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1947	Posted - 2014.08.09 21:52:00 - [14] - Quote The real reason for this is the demographics--In general, people who play as heavy (not all, but most nowadays) are new players, who have a much lesser grasp of the in game mechanics or map features, or the way that CQC works, etc. On the opposite end of the spectrum we have scouts--most of the scouts who are complaining about ridiculous heavy spam are among what I lovingly call the "OG Cult". We have been around for a very long time, and I can't speak for all, but most of us went through the days of Slayer Logi permascan AR 514 with our shoulders high, and our profiles low, proud to be some of the few who actually ran scouts since day 1. These are the players who know the maps, understand the mechanics, and have become powerful while their suit was in a bad place. The heavy and the scout each attract their own types of players, however, the ones that are more liable to complain are the newer players, the ones that don't understand the mechanics or how they work, and by coincidence, these player's demographic is comprised mainly of heavies. These new players seem to have some ingrained sense of entitltement to fair 1v1 fights where even a militia heavy straight from the academy could slaughter even the game's toughest scouts. The problem is, the inherent play style that the scout utilizes requires trickery, a basic knowledge of human psychology, and an deep in depth knowledge of in-game mechanics. Most players find this unfair, and believe that by donning the all-mighty sentinel suit that they should somehow become invulnerable, and that things such as the use of tactics or even their personal gun game are useless in comparison to the incredible advantages given to them by donning said sentinel suit. When they are killed by something that is smaller and faster than them, it seems like a spit in the face, and indeed, for many, it is. They know that their skill and knowledge of game mechanics was less than that of their opponents, yet refuse to admit it. Instead, they become bitter and frustrated as they know that their gear is inherently stronger, yet they cannot beat their opponents. To this, I have to say--Suck it the **** up. Seriously. 6/10 of the scouts complaining have been scouts throughout the dark ages, where the supremacy of fine rifles and brick tanked logis with perma-scans reigned supreme, and many of us even thrived (to whatever extent we were allowed). You HMG sentinels have been given superior weaponry and suits, yet refuse to adapt to a battlefield in which tactical decisions and gun-game matter. Despite saying this, however-- Are scouts OP? Yes. Will Charlie fix that? Yes, for the most part. Some may need buffs post Charlie, others, nerfs. And we do openly admit it. We understand the game mechanics and the reasons why certain scouts coughCaldaricough are OP. --BUT!-- Are Sentinels OP? Yes. Will Charlie fix that? No, all it will do is make it so that core skills will need to be close to maxed or maxed to fit full proto. However, the lack of acknowledgement of the issues making the sentinel OP as well as the condescending, brash, rude, degenerate, and occasionally illiterate ways that the Sentinel community represent themselves makes the glaring balance problems all the more annoying for many of us long-timers. TL;DR-- The reason Sentinels complain so much about scouts is because they are generally newer players, and the very way the sentinel role works causes them to resent scouts in particular. "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
Heimdallr69 Nyain San 3063	Posted - 2014.08.09 21:58:00 - [15] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: The problem is scouts and heavies are the only thing good right now. Hell scouts even get more eq slots than assaults. I have no problem with scouts once the assault gets buffed it'll be fine. whatta joke.. go back to Call of Booty .. You specd into assault so you could take advantage of the flavor of the week weapons.. You got buyers remorse brah? You mad cuz you have to aim before you 1 shot me in my scout suit? Buffing the assault suits is exactly wHat kind of nonsense I expected to hear when they attempted to balance the weapons.. Pffhhhh loser Haha you know nothing kid QFT.. Unlike you I don't chase fotm I have all assaults proto and all rifles pro 5.. It's called being a slayer not chasing fotm like you. Actually cuz of this I hope you scouts get nerfed hard cya fotm chasers. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 184	Posted - 2014.08.10 00:09:00 - [16] - Quote Crimson ShieId wrote: Quote: Yes a scout can use a cloak because cloaks are ment to help a scout do its job, which is to use stealth to move around the map but again if they use a cloak the cpu and pg costs restrict the higher end weapons and mods we might use. even though a scout has a reduced fitting cost for cloaks. You must use a Minmatar Scout, because that's the only one in the game who actually has fitting issues. Every other scout can fit proto across the board without much of an issue. Good stuff though, but you're not going to get people to stop QQing about scouts with a single post. Hopefully the assault buff will change things around a bit, but I'm sure people will still complain about getting Nova Knifed or shotgunned in the back by cloaked scouts. No proto suit can fit proto everything and the game was designed to be that way, even with max fitting bonus to eveything you equip you can't get full prototype suits( meaning proto suit, proto mods, proto equipment and proto weapons).
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 186	Posted - 2014.08.10 01:35:00 - [17] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: Smoky The Bear wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: The problem is scouts and heavies are the only thing good right now. Hell scouts even get more eq slots than assaults. I have no problem with scouts once the assault gets buffed it'll be fine. whatta joke.. go back to Call of Booty .. You specd into assault so you could take advantage of the flavor of the week weapons.. You got buyers remorse brah? You mad cuz you have to aim before you 1 shot me in my scout suit? Buffing the assault suits is exactly wHat kind of nonsense I expected to hear when they attempted to balance the weapons.. Pffhhhh loser Haha you know nothing kid QFT.. Unlike you I don't chase fotm I have all assaults proto and all rifles pro 5.. It's called being a slayer not chasing fotm like you. Actually cuz of this I hope you scouts get nerfed hard cya fotm chasers. If your comment is directed at me ill have you know i have been a scout since closed beta and have never diverted from it yes i have bop suits for the other classes that i use but i have no skills in there operations. I have been through when scouts were the worst thing to use and when they were average to use, now that they are good to use and everyone wants to jump on the band wagon I get accused of being a FoTM chaser. I have never chased after a FoTM and never will.
PARKOUR PRACTIONER D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1771	Posted - 2014.08.10 01:39:00 - [18] - Quote Because scouts are the best class in the entire game always have been always will be once we get the 1.8ers out of the way. Even if they stay any scout before 1.8 scout is a good scout. Runs off at10.09 PSN Sil4ntChaozz Define /Z)/V//V- Anything you can do a NINJA can do better Efficient Sidearm Scout, -SR, SG, ACR
Robocop Junior Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 621	Posted - 2014.08.10 01:53:00 - [19] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: Crimson ShieId wrote: Quote: Yes a scout can use a cloak because cloaks are ment to help a scout do its job, which is to use stealth to move around the map but again if they use a cloak the cpu and pg costs restrict the higher end weapons and mods we might use. even though a scout has a reduced fitting cost for cloaks. You must use a Minmatar Scout, because that's the only one in the game who actually has fitting issues. Every other scout can fit proto across the board without much of an issue. Good stuff though, but you're not going to get people to stop QQing about scouts with a single post. Hopefully the assault buff will change things around a bit, but I'm sure people will still complain about getting Nova Knifed or shotgunned in the back by cloaked scouts. No proto suit can fit proto everything and the game was designed to be that way, even with max fitting bonus to eveything you equip you can't get full prototype suits( meaning proto suit, proto mods, proto equipment and proto weapons). My logi & heavy gk.0 both are fitted with proto everything with cpu/pg at 3... If strength were all, tiger would not fear scorpion.
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 923	Posted - 2014.08.10 02:00:00 - [20] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: I come on the forums and everyone is qqing about scouts "Scouts are op because they are to fast" "Scouts are op because they can same hp as a assault" "Scouts are op because they can use a cloak" "Scouts are op because they have the smallest hit box" "Scouts are op because they have the best scans and dampening" Those first two points are the only things that count, the rest are all garbage complaints. Why? Because of their speed, they can literally strafe THROUGH a gunfire stream. I tested this with a HMG on a strafing scout. he passed through the stream 4 times, and took 0 damage. This gives the term "speed tanking" viability. Pair that up with the HP being the same and you have a character with an effective health of about 1000 from faulty bullet stream detection. Basically making their health on par with heavies if they try to evade. This effect is a KNOWN bug, and used to affect Assault suits a good number of patches ago until the base speed of all suits were reduced. One used to be able to strafe into, or out of, a fight without taking damage. http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU Dust to Dust Remember the dream you had before the day you were born.

843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 187	Posted - 2014.08.10 02:58:00 - [21] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: 843-Vika wrote: I come on the forums and everyone is qqing about scouts "Scouts are op because they are to fast" "Scouts are op because they can same hp as a assault" "Scouts are op because they can use a cloak" "Scouts are op because they have the smallest hit box" "Scouts are op because they have the best scans and dampening" Those first two points are the only things that count, the rest are all garbage complaints. Why? Because of their speed, they can literally strafe THROUGH a gunfire stream. I tested this with a HMG on a strafing scout. he passed through the stream 4 times, and took 0 damage. This gives the term "speed tanking" viability. Pair that up with the HP being the same and you have a character with an effective health of about 1000 from faulty bullet stream detection. Basically making their health on par with heavies if they try to evade. This effect is a KNOWN bug, and used to affect Assault suits a good number of patches ago until the base speed of all suits were reduced. One used to be able to strafe into, or out of, a fight without taking damage. I myself run scout and have never straffed in and out of any hmg fire, shoot if I even tried it i would usually end up dead.
Grimm Hammer Sacred Initiative of Combat Killers IMMORTAL REGIME 3	Posted - 2014.08.10 03:14:00 - [22] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: 843-Vika wrote: I come on the forums and everyone is qqing about scouts "Scouts are op because they are to fast" "Scouts are op because they can same hp as a assault" "Scouts are op because they can use a cloak" "Scouts are op because they have the smallest hit box" "Scouts are op because they have the best scans and dampening" Those first two points are the only things that count, the rest are all garbage complaints. Why? Because of their speed, they can literally strafe THROUGH a gunfire stream. I tested this with a HMG on a strafing scout. he passed through the stream 4 times, and took 0 damage. This gives the term "speed tanking" viability. Pair that up with the HP being the same and you have a character with an effective health of about 1000 from faulty bullet stream detection. Basically making their health on par with heavies if they try to evade. This effect is a KNOWN bug, and used to affect Assault suits a good number of patches ago until the base speed of all suits were reduced. One used to be able to strafe into, or out of, a fight without taking damage. I myself run scout and have never straffed in and out of any hmg fire, shoot if I even tried it i would usually end up dead. ive seen it happen a couple of times in pubs/FW but i usually chalk it up to lag or latencey
Pvt Numnutz Prophets of the Velocirapture 1768	Posted - 2014.08.10 03:28:00 - [23] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: "Scouts are op because they can same hp as a assault" Tanking as much as a medium, faster than a medium, inherent Ewar abilities, cloak and then give it a shot gun. Sounds op doesn't it? Master Skyshark rider Kaalaka dakka tamer
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 187	Posted - 2014.08.10 03:28:00 - [24] - Quote Grimm Hammer wrote: 843-Vika wrote: Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: 843-Vika wrote: I come on the forums and everyone is qqing about scouts "Scouts are op because they are to fast" "Scouts are op because they can same hp as a assault" "Scouts are op because they can use a cloak" "Scouts are op because they have the smallest hit box" "Scouts are op because they have the best scans and dampening" Those first two points are the only things that count, the rest are all garbage complaints. Why? Because of their speed, they can literally strafe THROUGH a gunfire stream. I tested this with a HMG on a strafing scout. he passed through the stream 4 times, and took 0 damage. This gives the term "speed tanking" viability. Pair that up with the HP being the same and you have a character with an effective health of about 1000 from faulty bullet stream detection. Basically making their health on par with heavies if they try to evade. This effect is a KNOWN bug, and used to affect Assault suits a good number of patches ago until the base speed of all suits were reduced. One used to be able to strafe into, or out of, a fight without taking damage. I myself run scout and have never straffed in and out of any hmg fire, shoot if I even tried it i would usually end up dead. ive seen it happen a couple of times in pubs/FW but i usually chalk it up to lag or latencey Now that i would agree on but to intentionally cross throught it 4 times with 0 damage can't be true unless it was outside the optimal range of them hmg
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 923	Posted - 2014.08.10 03:55:00 - [25] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: Now that i would agree on but to intentionally cross throught it 4 times with 0 damage can't be true unless it was outside the optimal range of them hmg I didn't believe it either until I actually tested it on the field. I found a guy who was stealth/KinKat, and started shooting at him with a HMG, he crossed the stream cause his Health data came up several times, (not the generic "suit data" but the name, which only happens if they pass through the center of the reticule), but his maximum shield wasn't touched at all. We were fighting around an allied supply depot, so full auto spray coverage was not an issue. He was able to swing in, hack the depot, then swing out and pepper away using cover. The combat was within the 10-20m range. http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU Dust to Dust Remember the dream you had before the day you were born.
Grimm Hammer Sacred Initiative of Combat Killers IMMORTAL REGIME 3	Posted - 2014.08.10 05:06:00 - [26] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: 843-Vika wrote: Now that i would agree on but to intentionally cross throught it 4 times with 0 damage can't be true unless it was outside the optimal range of them hmg I didn't believe it either until I actually tested it on the field. I found a guy who was stealth/KinKat, and started shooting at him with a HMG, he crossed the stream cause his Health data came up several times, (not the generic "suit data" but the name, which only happens if they pass through the center of the reticule), but his maximum shield wasn't touched at all. We were fighting around an allied supply depot, so full auto spray coverage was not an issue. He was able to swing in, hack the depot, then swing out and pepper away using cover. The combat was within the 10-20m range. like i said ive seen it happen but wih as many server issues as ive seen i wouldnt be bale to say if it was broken hitbox,lag,strafing glitch, etc. who knows its there but idk what causes it
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 7108	Posted - 2014.08.10 05:10:00 - [27] - Quote Smoky The Bear wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: The problem is scouts and heavies are the only thing good right now. Hell scouts even get more eq slots than assaults. I have no problem with scouts once the assault gets buffed it'll be fine. whatta joke.. go back to Call of Booty .. You specd into assault so you could take advantage of the flavor of the week weapons.. You got buyers remorse brah? You mad cuz you have to aim before you 1 shot me in my scout suit? Buffing the assault suits is exactly wHat kind of nonsense I expected to hear when they attempted to balance the weapons.. Pffhhhh loser Do you seriously have any idea who you're talking to? see you space cowboy...


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