DUST Search - How one merc made $433 from dust, selling paperclips..............

Not My Orbitals wrote:

Cody Sietz wrote:

calvin b wrote:

There is no lawsuit or breach of contract so far. Question is why is he selling the paperclip and not the ISK? The ISK is being given away for free, so there is no litigation here. I study law as a side hobby and I can tell you he has them by the balls with that one simple fact, free. As long as there is no monetary gain from the ISK sale and only from the paperclip sale you cant be sued, but CCP does reserve the right to cancel his account. Once they do that he can argue they breached contract since he did pay monetary for the EVE account. I am not a lawyer and know nothing on international courts, but in American courts he can probably win with certain laws that pertain to countries. Look at Argentina proof you can sue a country and bankrupt it. Here is the link.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/alejandrochafuen/2014/08/06/argentinas-default-playing-politics-with-u-s-courts-and-wall-street/

I think that's the work around isn't it? It's like how people said "guides" for eve and those guides come with 50 million sp toons.

Yet, TOONS are not transferable/legally. You dont think CCP notices IP address changes?

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Not My Orbitals Expert Intervention Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.08.09 16:51:00 - [1] - Quote This clown has transfered over 3 BILLION isk through Ebay. He was reported to CCP last year. Yet, here he is again. Check his feedback! WOW! http://www.ebay.com/usr/briansease I think he is making more then CCP on sales! I am offering 10 million isk to the person who ruins his 100% feedback! Yes, I am jealous! I GAVE all my iskies away. :(
Sylwester Dziewiecki Interregnum. 344	Posted - 2014.08.09 16:55:00 - [2] - Quote Sorry, we encountered a problem. Please see the details below. Input Error We did not successfully receive all the required information from the page. Please go back and ensure that all the fields are filled in. Gallente Speed Scout. EVE side of me: Nosum Hseebnrido
Not My Orbitals Expert Intervention Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.08.09 16:57:00 - [3] - Quote Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote: Sorry, we encountered a problem. Please see the details below. Input Error We did not successfully receive all the required information from the page. Please go back and ensure that all the fields are filled in. I changed the link.
gustavo acosta Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 163	Posted - 2014.08.09 17:00:00 - [4] - Quote <-----This Ugly S.O.B is making MILLIONS OF ISK running MILITIA FITS And basically YOU'RE A FREAKIN DUMB CLICK AND LEARN HIS 3 EASY STEPS FOR MAKING ALL THAT ISK (Sorry I was looking for a nice place to put this for a while, and this thread seemed appropriate) Gallente scout, heavy, logi, and assault Eternal Can I haz ur isk?
Not My Orbitals Expert Intervention Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.08.09 17:01:00 - [5] - Quote The clown used his real name...... BRIAN D SEASE & SHARI L SEASE 4323 S Eagle Circle Aurora, CO 80015 Here's his address CCP. Go get em tiger!
calvin b Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1870	Posted - 2014.08.09 17:16:00 - [6] - Quote There is no lawsuit or breach of contract so far. Question is why is he selling the paperclip and not the ISK? The ISK is being given away for free, so there is no litigation here. I study law as a side hobby and I can tell you he has them by the balls with that one simple fact, free. As long as there is no monetary gain from the ISK sale and only from the paperclip sale you cant be sued, but CCP does reserve the right to cancel his account. Once they do that he can argue they breached contract since he did pay monetary for the EVE account. I am not a lawyer and know nothing on international courts, but in American courts he can probably win with certain laws that pertain to countries. Look at Argentina proof you can sue a country and bankrupt it. Here is the link. http://www.forbes.com/sites/alejandrochafuen/2014/08/06/argentinas-default-playing-politics-with-u-s-courts-and-wall-street/ Can the other voices in other peoples minds hear my voices in my head????
Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 3804	Posted - 2014.08.09 17:23:00 - [7] - Quote calvin b wrote: There is no lawsuit or breach of contract so far. Question is why is he selling the paperclip and not the ISK? The ISK is being given away for free, so there is no litigation here. I study law as a side hobby and I can tell you he has them by the balls with that one simple fact, free. As long as there is no monetary gain from the ISK sale and only from the paperclip sale you cant be sued, but CCP does reserve the right to cancel his account. Once they do that he can argue they breached contract since he did pay monetary for the EVE account. I am not a lawyer and know nothing on international courts, but in American courts he can probably win with certain laws that pertain to countries. Look at Argentina proof you can sue a country and bankrupt it. Here is the link. http://www.forbes.com/sites/alejandrochafuen/2014/08/06/argentinas-default-playing-politics-with-u-s-courts-and-wall-street/ I think that's the work around isn't it? It's like how people said "guides" for eve and those guides come with 50 million sp toons. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Not My Orbitals Expert Intervention Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.08.09 17:36:00 - [8] - Quote calvin b wrote: There is no lawsuit or breach of contract so far. Question is why is he selling the paperclip and not the ISK? The ISK is being given away for free, so there is no litigation here. I study law as a side hobby and I can tell you he has them by the balls with that one simple fact, free. As long as there is no monetary gain from the ISK sale and only from the paperclip sale you cant be sued, but CCP does reserve the right to cancel his account. Once they do that he can argue they breached contract since he did pay monetary for the EVE account. I am not a lawyer and know nothing on international courts, but in American courts he can probably win with certain laws that pertain to countries. Look at Argentina proof you can sue a country and bankrupt it. Here is the link. http://www.forbes.com/sites/alejandrochafuen/2014/08/06/argentinas-default-playing-politics-with-u-s-courts-and-wall-street/ You missed a VERY important fact. People ARE paying cash for isk. He created the problem, he is responsible. On the other hand, CCP opened the window with transferring isk in the first place. This is why we cant have player trading................ All his listings will be down soon. Digital items are not permitted to be sold on EBAY. Have to use classifieds. He has enough violations that his ebay account may get banned.
Not My Orbitals Expert Intervention Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.08.09 17:37:00 - [9] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: calvin b wrote: There is no lawsuit or breach of contract so far. Question is why is he selling the paperclip and not the ISK? The ISK is being given away for free, so there is no litigation here. I study law as a side hobby and I can tell you he has them by the balls with that one simple fact, free. As long as there is no monetary gain from the ISK sale and only from the paperclip sale you cant be sued, but CCP does reserve the right to cancel his account. Once they do that he can argue they breached contract since he did pay monetary for the EVE account. I am not a lawyer and know nothing on international courts, but in American courts he can probably win with certain laws that pertain to countries. Look at Argentina proof you can sue a country and bankrupt it. Here is the link. http://www.forbes.com/sites/alejandrochafuen/2014/08/06/argentinas-default-playing-politics-with-u-s-courts-and-wall-street/ I think that's the work around isn't it? It's like how people said "guides" for eve and those guides come with 50 million sp toons. Yet, TOONS are not transferable/legally. You dont think CCP notices IP address changes?
Immortal John Ripper 22853	Posted - 2014.08.09 17:40:00 - [10] - Quote Stop reporting Killar-12. Leave him alone. Alt of GJR.

Spaceman-Rob Space Dusters 483	Posted - 2014.08.09 17:48:00 - [11] - Quote Brilliant, love it! What a del boy lol
Major 0nslaught 29	Posted - 2014.08.09 18:08:00 - [12] - Quote Old news. Everyone already knows that Killar-12 has teamed up with Victor Hadah to help him get rid of all the isk he made from selling bpos. Forgive me, I speak English.
Major 0nslaught 29	Posted - 2014.08.09 18:08:00 - [13] - Quote Not My Orbitals wrote: The clown used his real name...... BRIAN D SEASE & SHARI L SEASE 4323 S Eagle Circle Aurora, CO 80015 Here's his address CCP. Go get em tiger! Releasing a players real name and contact information is a bannable offense. I hope ccp gets you for that. Forgive me, I speak English.
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 268	Posted - 2014.08.09 18:10:00 - [14] - Quote There's a pretty good chance that calling it a "Dust 514 paper clip" is actually false advertising and use of a name that has been (should have been) trademarked by CCP... Personally I think they'd be better off making a deal with him to gain a % of his profit, could keep them affloat, lol.
Spectre-M The Generals Anime Empire. 631	Posted - 2014.08.09 18:10:00 - [15] - Quote This is why we can't have nice things. So many try hard scrubs that use the game instead of play it. Legion is what we deserve. Revenge is best served post-mortem. Minnmitar in Amarr armor. A Wolf in Sheeps clothing. May the Empress live till she graces my sights.
Thurak1 Psygod9 897	Posted - 2014.08.09 18:12:00 - [16] - Quote Lol thats a pretty funny auction. He is selling digital images of paper clips and giving away isk with purchase.
Thurak1 Psygod9 897	Posted - 2014.08.09 18:14:00 - [17] - Quote Major 0nslaught wrote: Not My Orbitals wrote: The clown used his real name...... BRIAN D SEASE & SHARI L SEASE 4323 S Eagle Circle Aurora, CO 80015 Here's his address CCP. Go get em tiger! Releasing a players real name and contact information is a bannable offense. I hope ccp gets you for that. As much as i disagree with what he is doing posting his name and address on a very public forum is not right. It would be much more appropriate to file a support ticket with CCP and send that information to them in private.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 305	Posted - 2014.08.09 18:14:00 - [18] - Quote Not My Orbitals wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: calvin b wrote: There is no lawsuit or breach of contract so far. Question is why is he selling the paperclip and not the ISK? The ISK is being given away for free, so there is no litigation here. I study law as a side hobby and I can tell you he has them by the balls with that one simple fact, free. As long as there is no monetary gain from the ISK sale and only from the paperclip sale you cant be sued, but CCP does reserve the right to cancel his account. Once they do that he can argue they breached contract since he did pay monetary for the EVE account. I am not a lawyer and know nothing on international courts, but in American courts he can probably win with certain laws that pertain to countries. Look at Argentina proof you can sue a country and bankrupt it. Here is the link. http://www.forbes.com/sites/alejandrochafuen/2014/08/06/argentinas-default-playing-politics-with-u-s-courts-and-wall-street/ I think that's the work around isn't it? It's like how people said "guides" for eve and those guides come with 50 million sp toons. Yet, TOONS are not transferable/legally. You dont think CCP notices IP address changes? they do and they have banned Dust bunnies and EVE pod pilots in the thousands > LogiBro in Training
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 305	Posted - 2014.08.09 18:16:00 - [19] - Quote Spectre-M wrote: This is why we can't have nice things. So many try hard scrubs that use the game instead of play it. Legion is what we deserve. Revenge is best served post-mortem. Necrophilia! > LogiBro in Training
Djinn SouI Molden Heath PoIice Department 56	Posted - 2014.08.09 18:19:00 - [20] - Quote He is making more $$ off dust than the devs themselves! Somebody give him a job!

Vapor Forseti Nyain Chan General Tso's Alliance 919	Posted - 2014.08.09 18:22:00 - [21] - Quote .. I actually bought two 200 mil ISK packs from this guy some time ago, lmao. /o/ \o\ "I thought what I'd do was, I'd pretend I was one of those deaf-mutes."
The Noob Destroyer 1057	Posted - 2014.08.09 18:25:00 - [22] - Quote Vapor Forseti wrote: .. I actually bought two 200 mil ISK packs from this guy some time ago, lmao. /o/ \o\ I bought 300 mill. Who am I? I am just a nobody. Like facts? #GetFact!
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4640	Posted - 2014.08.09 18:30:00 - [23] - Quote ... and you realize you guys probably just got your accounts put under review by saying that, right?
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3898	Posted - 2014.08.09 18:38:00 - [24] - Quote Doesnt suprise me. If there is something that you have to work for (ISK) then there are people who are willing to buy it or to sell it for cash. If this is going to become a problem CCP will introduce their own real money trade like they did with PLEX in eve. They say when you die you see a white light which then forms the line of: "GAME OVER! PLEASE INSERT COIN"
Hakyou Brutor Pure Evil. 965	Posted - 2014.08.09 18:38:00 - [25] - Quote Limited Edition DUST 514 Paper Clips ~Get 'em while they're hot
ZDub 303 Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dark Taboo 3184	Posted - 2014.08.09 19:18:00 - [26] - Quote Wow... that guy lives about 5 miles from me. I wonder if I can buy one of these overpriced paperclips in person. B C R U are letters, not words - Wierd Al Yankovich
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 183	Posted - 2014.08.09 19:21:00 - [27] - Quote calvin b wrote: There is no lawsuit or breach of contract so far. Question is why is he selling the paperclip and not the ISK? The ISK is being given away for free, so there is no litigation here. I study law as a side hobby and I can tell you he has them by the balls with that one simple fact, free. As long as there is no monetary gain from the ISK sale and only from the paperclip sale you cant be sued, but CCP does reserve the right to cancel his account. Once they do that he can argue they breached contract since he did pay monetary for the EVE account. I am not a lawyer and know nothing on international courts, but in American courts he can probably win with certain laws that pertain to countries. Look at Argentina proof you can sue a country and bankrupt it. Here is the link. http://www.forbes.com/sites/alejandrochafuen/2014/08/06/argentinas-default-playing-politics-with-u-s-courts-and-wall-street/ In his auction details he states he never played eve before, so he never paid CCP anything, unless he purchased any AUR He also states that the isk can be sent to an eve account as well
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 183	Posted - 2014.08.09 19:34:00 - [28] - Quote Not My Orbitals wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: calvin b wrote: There is no lawsuit or breach of contract so far. Question is why is he selling the paperclip and not the ISK? The ISK is being given away for free, so there is no litigation here. I study law as a side hobby and I can tell you he has them by the balls with that one simple fact, free. As long as there is no monetary gain from the ISK sale and only from the paperclip sale you cant be sued, but CCP does reserve the right to cancel his account. Once they do that he can argue they breached contract since he did pay monetary for the EVE account. I am not a lawyer and know nothing on international courts, but in American courts he can probably win with certain laws that pertain to countries. Look at Argentina proof you can sue a country and bankrupt it. Here is the link. http://www.forbes.com/sites/alejandrochafuen/2014/08/06/argentinas-default-playing-politics-with-u-s-courts-and-wall-street/ I think that's the work around isn't it? It's like how people said "guides" for eve and those guides come with 50 million sp toons. Yet, TOONS are not transferable/legally. You dont think CCP notices IP address changes? Actually on the eve web site there is an option to transfer characters from 1 account to another, its under the account services section.
Knight Soiaire Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5667	Posted - 2014.08.09 19:40:00 - [29] - Quote Fantastic!
Super Sniper95 Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 164	Posted - 2014.08.09 20:26:00 - [30] - Quote So duna can do that too lol Caldari Logistics V, Caldari Assault V, Caldari Scout V, Minmatar Logistics V, Minmatar Assault V, Gallente Scout V. Meh

Evolution-7 The Rainbow Effect 595	Posted - 2014.08.09 20:50:00 - [31] - Quote Not My Orbitals wrote: This clown has transfered over 3 BILLION isk through Ebay. He was reported to CCP last year. Yet, here he is again. Check his feedback! WOW! http://www.ebay.com/usr/briansease I think he is making more then CCP on sales! I am offering 10 million isk to the person who ruins his 100% feedback! Yes, I am jealous! I GAVE all my iskies away. :( I do not see what is illegal about this, or why CCP would ban him, he is selling a highly overpriced paperclip and if people want to buy it good, alongside it, they get free ISK... so what? He is not selling ISK directly. Good on him. *EVE: LEGION ON PS4* RIP DUST. So much potential, December 2011 to October 2013
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 3136	Posted - 2014.08.09 21:47:00 - [32] - Quote My name is Brian? Damn that's a stupid name. Member of a Dead Alliance and Dead Corp Coming through, still better than you FOTM corp hopping whores
RYN0CER0S Rise Of Old Dudes 979	Posted - 2014.08.09 21:54:00 - [33] - Quote Not My Orbitals wrote: The clown used his real name...... BRIAN D SEASE & SHARI L SEASE 4323 S Eagle Circle Aurora, CO 80015 Here's his address CCP. Go get em tiger! He lives in Aurora? Explains everything. Poor fella. Who farted?
Immortal John Ripper 23557	Posted - 2014.08.09 22:08:00 - [34] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: My name is Brian? Damn that's a stupid name. It is like brain but misspelled. Alt of GJR.


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