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Hawkings Greenback
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Posted - 2014.08.08 14:52:00 -
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Varoth Drac wrote:Nobody would say "shoot the logi first" if they weren't good.
You need to clarify that statement before it can even claim to be true.
So I'll repeat it for you, nobody would say "shoot the logi first" if they weren't good force multipliers.
Logi's aren't meant to go toe to toe on that people are correct but I have often played solo as a logi and beaten people 1 v 1 and I am not a great player it doesn't make me a slayer logi.
It's an old argument in that should a logi be able to kill? The answer is yes but not as well as the other class. However if I invest my SP all the way into a chosen weapon then why shouldn't I be able to kill well.
The balance for me is survivability, what is the point of me being a force multiplier if I can't survive long enough to do my class role. Yet in answer to the OP I don't think I would be too bothered about in built reps returning to logi's. Each logi needs to be able to use a rep tool ( as a logistic class bonus ) & then have a flavour based on race/class and after that MAYBE a look at how to balance the suits survive ability based on shield/armour & reps/recharge.
There was some good discussion when Rattati started the Hotfix Charlie discussion and hope that can continue at some point.
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Hawkings Greenback
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Posted - 2014.08.09 07:55:00 -
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el OPERATOR wrote:So....I'm in favor of a Logi base buff of some sort reflective of the new combat environment. Movement speeds, armor reps, profile aspects, expanded repping tool abilities, w/e. Pretty much anything that isn't a nerf will help, obviously. I'm also okay with doing some time in the post-Charlie combat zone before theorycrafting too much.
Oh, and whats the deal about logis not being able to use the reptool? I understand my Min gets the range bonus but that doesn't stop me from repping with my Amarr logi, albeit being more work for me since I have to follow more closely with that slug. No more than it's stopping me from using links, hives and scanners on my Min without their relative racial bonus.
To answer your question about logi's and rep tools, NOTHING.
But when the Minmatar bonus works as well as it does in the current game environment with its rep tool bonus it eclipses the others. I will be honest and say that I up until a couple I month ago rarely used a rep tool on anything other than a Minmatar suit. This stems from a mistake by CCP ( in my eyes ) in giving each logi a single bonus to equipment, a subject that was again discussed during Hotfix Charlie. By making each logi specialise in one role it pretty much rendered the Caldari the runt of the pack. Before I get strung up by the few people that use Cal logi ( I use it too ) it's bonus isn't useless, it just doesn't appear as useful as a rep tool, links and scanners.
My point is, as I wrote above, that all logi's SHOULD have a bonus to rep tool and then a secondary ( lesser ? ) bonus to other equipment. That way you will start to see a better mixture of racial class logi's on the field. It was CCP trying to define individual roles for logi and missing the point of being a logi at the same time. I certainly only wanted to run one logi type but felt I needed to spend SP into the other races logi to take advantage of there bonus.
Anyway **** happens and as a logi I can only hope that Rattati can put some proposals on the table for Delta that can help level out the logi racial balance. Equalising the slots kind of annoyed me, especially as I love using my Amarr logi with SMG but I can kind of understand why Rattati twitched at the thought of it being different. Anyway after having to put Dust down for a month I'm getting the itch ( got to get level 5 Min scout, NK at 5 already ) for the changes coming with HF Charlie.
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Hawkings Greenback
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Posted - 2014.08.09 08:57:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Reactive Plate
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Just one????
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Hawkings Greenback
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Posted - 2014.08.09 10:34:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Hawkings Greenback wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Reactive Plate
/thread Just one???? My PC suit (min logi) has 2 shield extenders and 2 recharger/energizers (or a combo due to CPU), 2 reactive plates and a complex repper. I'll drop a rep hive or two wherever I'm tasked to keep my heavies alive. It's all about that passive regen for me so I'd love to have the extra reps. I just fear asking for anything to buff the logi suit as few things generate QQ like a logi suit.
Well hopefully HF Charlie can give the assault class enough love to allow a pass on logi's without all the rabid QQ that they bring.
Well we can hope.
GÇ£Their stupidity does not amaze me, its when they're smart that amazes me."
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