DUST Search - Why you're all wrong about fitting capacity of non-Sentinel suit...

Breakin Stuff wrote:

OP FOTM wrote:

That's because we've only got 5 slots. And no equipment.

My Logi can fit absolutely everything it needs to be viable without spending a single point on fitting optimization, especially with the specialist assault rifle I use on it. How does it have "the lowest capacity per slot?" That's because it has TOO MANY slots that it doesn't need.

Are you trying to tell me Scouts, Commandos and Assaults have to take ALL their fitting optimizations to 5, including skills like Light Weapons Operation that increase CPU? I highly doubt it. Because that's what Sentinels will have to do now, just to be viable.

First of all, the only thing scouts have to do is use an advanced cloak instead of proto to fit everything else proto. What?

So you're "balancing" sentinels based on the ****** cloak stats?

You can't say you're basing it off Assault anymore because you just buffed the hell out of its fitting.

None of the other dropsuits are forced to max out all their fitting optimizations to be viable. Yet, this PG/CPU nerf to sentinels is balanced? I call bullshit.

Bluntly I want everyone who swapped to heavies because it was easy mode to get the hell out. Too many heavies running around like little retards.

Not nearly enough tactical variation to make the game challenging.

Once you adapt to the particular flavor of FoTM in popular demand, you realize they're easy to kill, and they're all playing numbers games against each other. It's pointless.

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OP FOTM Commando Perkone Caldari State 326	Posted - 2014.08.07 16:39:00 - [1] - Quote Quote: By these changes, Sentinels are still considerably ahead of the second highest capacity per slot, the Commando, and the third highest, the Scout. The Assault, having been the lowest, will be placed in and around Scouts and Logistics. We believe these changes are warranted and fair. We encourage you to prove, and demonstrate, that some viable fittings are OP or UP, and we will take those into consideration with the final numbers. That's because we've only got 5 slots. And no equipment. My Logi can fit absolutely everything it needs to be viable without spending a single point on fitting optimization, especially with the specialist assault rifle I use on it. How does it have "the lowest capacity per slot?" That's because it has TOO MANY slots that it doesn't need. Are you trying to tell me Scouts, Commandos and Assaults have to take ALL their fitting optimizations to 5, including skills like Light Weapons Operation that increase CPU? I highly doubt it. Because that's what Sentinels will have to do now, just to be viable. First of all, the only thing scouts have to do is use an advanced cloak instead of proto to fit everything else proto. So you're "balancing" sentinels based on the ****** cloak stats? You can't say you're basing it off Assault anymore because you just buffed the hell out of its fitting. None of the other dropsuits are forced to max out all their fitting optimizations to be viable. Yet, this PG/CPU nerf to sentinels is balanced? I call bullshit. that moment when you realize the countless nights you've spent on the game or the forum were your fault, having no life
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 264	Posted - 2014.08.07 16:45:00 - [2] - Quote finished whineing abotu sents and now whineing about logi? gtfo and go play destiny already.. some heavy dury logi loadouts only give space enough to wield a sidearm at most > LogiBro in Training
OP FOTM Commando Perkone Caldari State 326	Posted - 2014.08.07 16:47:00 - [3] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: finished whineing abotu sents and now whineing about logi? gtfo and go play destiny already.. some heavy dury logi loadouts only give space enough to wield a sidearm at most ^^^^ This kind of trolling is what is going to balance your games CCP? This is what I spent my hard earned time and money on, a bunch of crying morons who don't understand how to play the game? Who want to bulldoze through a sentinel's path unfazed? that moment when you realize the countless nights you've spent on the game or the forum were your fault, having no life
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1898	Posted - 2014.08.07 16:52:00 - [4] - Quote The only thing a sentinel needs to be viable is a goddamn HMG. IF you need anything more, you're a scrub. "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
OP FOTM Commando Perkone Caldari State 327	Posted - 2014.08.07 16:59:00 - [5] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: The only thing a sentinel needs to be viable is a goddamn HMG. IF you need anything more, you're a scrub. Compelling, professional words. CCP I commend you for balancing your game based on the mindless rantings of this man and those like him. that moment when you realize the countless nights you've spent on the game or the forum were your fault, having no life
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 700	Posted - 2014.08.07 19:36:00 - [6] - Quote OP FOTM wrote: Compelling, professional words. CCP I commend you for balancing your game based on the mindless rantings of this man and those like him. CCP, I commend you on ignoring this idiot. OP FOTM, do you understand what changes have been made? Sentinel CPU/PG reduction and a fitting reduction/level for fitting heavy weapons. Why is this important? It makes fitting all proto gear difficult (but not impossible) and it reduces the effectivrness of non heavy weapon wielding Sentinels (ie, Rail Rifle heavies) which are a blight. Stop with your mindless bitching and continue using your powerful suit. Hopefully it will no longer be the utmost pinnacle of combat like it currently is, and be part of a balanced system. Alt of Halla Murr.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 266	Posted - 2014.08.07 20:03:00 - [7] - Quote OP FOTM wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: finished whineing abotu sents and now whineing about logi? gtfo and go play destiny already.. some heavy dury logi loadouts only give space enough to wield a sidearm at most ^^^^ This kind of trolling is what is going to balance your games CCP? This is what I spent my hard earned time and money on, a bunch of crying morons who don't understand how to play the game? Who want to bulldoze through a sentinel's path unfazed? its not trolling, its stating what you have spent most all of last night and today doing.. whining about crap which dosnt effect you because your going to destiny and... DO YOU STILL DUST514 BRO?! > LogiBro in Training
Jathniel G I A N T 1133	Posted - 2014.08.07 20:04:00 - [8] - Quote A fitting bonus for HMGs, or something similar, should help the OP's concern. If we want suits to be optimized for specific equipment, without them bumping into other niches, it would be nice to give a fitting bonus. Scouts have it for the cloaking device. Why not something for heavies? I'm sure there are heavies that are packed tightly within the cpu/pg constraints, that this nerf is going to hurt significantly. How about a fitting penalty to heavies that equip light weapons, if that really is a problem? Messing with CPU/PG in this case, is like burning down a building, because it has rodents on a few floors. Set your goals high, and shoot for the moon; even if you miss you'll land amongst the stars.
Commander Noctus Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 41	Posted - 2014.08.07 20:17:00 - [9] - Quote Oh look, tears! grabs bucket On a serious note, I take everything you say with a grain of rice. You personally have shown lack of understanding with your many failed threads and posts that clearly misunderstood multiple changes going on. And now you're resorting to attacking CCP and all those that support these positive changes. It's almost as if you haven't played enough to see the number of heavy spams going on with easy-to-proto-fit BASIC and Advanced sentinels. Going on to "viablility", do you really think that heavies will not be viable? Really? I don't think you know what viable means. Pre-1.8 scouts being used as Assaults is not viable. 1.0 Uprising ADS with blasters/rails/missles was not viable. Sentinels that cannot fit full proto yet can fit quite a bit of proto with some advanced modules is viable. My Gallente is losing a low, meaning a armor reduction (not sacrificing some rep power). Yet with the fitting reduction on my HMG, and the PG I'm gaining from the lost Complex Armor, I can still fit a formidable suit. And guess what? I don't have any PG reduction on HMG. Also only have 24% boost to CPU and PG. I cannot speak for the others though I've done some crunching on protofits and read others who have other sentinels post pretty good fits. Instead of immediately seeing a large drop in a suit to make it NOT FOTM and going on a rampage, how about you actually crunch some numbers, make some fits, and adapt to the changes? Gods know Assault users had to do so prior to this. Anyway, go on and go to Destiny already. It honestly wasn't that good anyway.
BL4CKST4R LATINOS KILLERS CORP Dark Taboo 2871	Posted - 2014.08.07 20:17:00 - [10] - Quote Your crying is OP it should be nerfed by removing you from the game. supercalifragilisticexpialidocious

Jack 3enimble Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 138	Posted - 2014.08.07 22:39:00 - [11] - Quote I thought you quit the game. Atleast that's what you've promised us and CCP. Make it happen..
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2681	Posted - 2014.08.07 23:54:00 - [12] - Quote His last thread didn't go the way he wanted, so he made a new one. Keep trying until you succeed right?
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4945	Posted - 2014.08.08 00:05:00 - [13] - Quote I don't know what world you live in but you I have maxed all my CPU/PG skills level 4 Light weapon op and my suit still needs to make sacrifices or utilize a CPU mod. The only suit, where I can literally not **** up it's fitting is my skinweave heavy. I can not using the gear I have (and I have a lot of gear...) topple its CPU/PG. Give me a good reason why heavies absolutely need the CPU/PG that they have right now, when everything but a Caldari can fit practically anything it wants. Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
Coleman Gray Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 1009	Posted - 2014.08.08 10:42:00 - [14] - Quote No other suits can fit all proto and still have plenty of cpu/pg left spare If Preparation is half of the battle and knowing is the other half, Then there is no need to fight.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 1816	Posted - 2014.08.08 10:45:00 - [15] - Quote OP FOTM wrote: That's because we've only got 5 slots. And no equipment. My Logi can fit absolutely everything it needs to be viable without spending a single point on fitting optimization, especially with the specialist assault rifle I use on it. How does it have "the lowest capacity per slot?" That's because it has TOO MANY slots that it doesn't need. Are you trying to tell me Scouts, Commandos and Assaults have to take ALL their fitting optimizations to 5, including skills like Light Weapons Operation that increase CPU? I highly doubt it. Because that's what Sentinels will have to do now, just to be viable. First of all, the only thing scouts have to do is use an advanced cloak instead of proto to fit everything else proto. So you're "balancing" sentinels based on the ****** cloak stats? You can't say you're basing it off Assault anymore because you just buffed the hell out of its fitting. None of the other dropsuits are forced to max out all their fitting optimizations to be viable. Yet, this PG/CPU nerf to sentinels is balanced? I call bullshit. Bluntly I want everyone who swapped to heavies because it was easy mode to get the hell out. Too many heavies running around like little retards. Not nearly enough tactical variation to make the game challenging. Once you adapt to the particular flavor of FoTM in popular demand, you realize they're easy to kill, and they're all playing numbers games against each other. It's pointless.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 276	Posted - 2014.08.08 15:39:00 - [16] - Quote OP FOTM wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: finished whineing abotu sents and now whineing about logi? gtfo and go play destiny already.. some heavy dury logi loadouts only give space enough to wield a sidearm at most ^^^^ This kind of trolling is what is going to balance your games CCP? This is what I spent my hard earned time and money on, a bunch of crying morons who don't understand how to play the game? Who want to bulldoze through a sentinel's path unfazed? if you spent money its your own fault. > LogiBro in Training
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 276	Posted - 2014.08.08 15:40:00 - [17] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: OP FOTM wrote: That's because we've only got 5 slots. And no equipment. My Logi can fit absolutely everything it needs to be viable without spending a single point on fitting optimization, especially with the specialist assault rifle I use on it. How does it have "the lowest capacity per slot?" That's because it has TOO MANY slots that it doesn't need. Are you trying to tell me Scouts, Commandos and Assaults have to take ALL their fitting optimizations to 5, including skills like Light Weapons Operation that increase CPU? I highly doubt it. Because that's what Sentinels will have to do now, just to be viable. First of all, the only thing scouts have to do is use an advanced cloak instead of proto to fit everything else proto. So you're "balancing" sentinels based on the **** cloak stats? You can't say you're basing it off Assault anymore because you just buffed the hell out of its fitting. None of the other dropsuits are forced to max out all their fitting optimizations to be viable. Yet, this PG/CPU nerf to sentinels is balanced? I call bullshit. Bluntly I want everyone who swapped to heavies because it was easy mode to get the hell out. Too many heavies running around like little retards. Not nearly enough tactical variation to make the game challenging. Once you adapt to the particular flavor of FoTM in popular demand, you realize they're easy to kill, and they're all playing numbers games against each other. It's pointless. tbh iv half a mind to reroll my sent/comando with under 2m sp to assault :P > LogiBro in Training**
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 276	Posted - 2014.08.08 15:40:00 - [18] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: His last thread didn't go the way he wanted, so he made a new one. Keep trying until you succeed right? if he keeps trying by posting the same ** over and over he will get banned off the forums :) > LogiBro in Training**
Mexxx Dust-Slayer THE 300 SPARTANS 1	Posted - 2014.08.08 15:49:00 - [19] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: His last thread didn't go the way he wanted, so he made a new one. Keep trying until you succeed right? if he keeps trying by posting the same **** over and over he will get banned off the forums :) Hopefully, because I am yet to see a civil or constructive thread/post from him. And what exactly can't you fit on your sentinel post-nerf anyway?
Mexxx Dust-Slayer THE 300 SPARTANS 1	Posted - 2014.08.08 15:55:00 - [20] - Quote From the fits I experimented with the proposed changes, you can still fit full proto on a sentinel except for maybe a proto grenade or sidearm... like all other suits. If you were meant to have a proto suit with all proto then there might as well be no PG or CPU limits. You have to sacrifice.

Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 15690	Posted - 2014.08.08 15:56:00 - [21] - Quote Mexxx Dust-Slayer wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: His last thread didn't go the way he wanted, so he made a new one. Keep trying until you succeed right? if he keeps trying by posting the same **** over and over he will get banned off the forums :) Hopefully, because I am yet to see a civil or constructive thread/post from him. And what exactly can't you fit on your sentinel post-nerf anyway? His problem is that because fitting resources have been lowered he can't fit every single slot with proto/complex gear without actually training core skills. It's entirely possible to still fit full proto if you're actually smart about it and train some skills. It's no longer possible to fit all proto without any SP in fitting skills whatsoever and no thought going into your fits, though. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Enlist in XCOM
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2696	Posted - 2014.08.08 21:53:00 - [22] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: His problem is that because fitting resources have been lowered he can't fit every single slot with proto/complex gear without actually training core skills. It's entirely possible to still fit full proto if you're actually smart about it and train some skills. It's no longer possible to fit all proto without any SP in fitting skills whatsoever and no thought going into your fits, though. Ok I felt like humoring him and putting one together. http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/0/6255 So that doesn't have a single point going into HMG or SMG Fitting Optimization. So by his logic is that suit "Not viable" because it doesn't have a proto sidearm? Despite everything else on it being prototype?
Cass Caul 398	Posted - 2014.08.09 03:23:00 - [23] - Quote http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/161/6239 Here's my Sentinel I will be using upon Charlie's deployment. Egads! I need Electronics V, Engineering V, Heavy Weapon Ops III, Sidearm Ops III, 0 fitting optimization if I want to fit 4 plates, a boundless HMG, a Six Kin SMG The only Sentinel Suits that have difficulty with fittings are the ones that use Light Weapons Interesting fitting, pokey. You can see the numbers that I made mine first () but we differ on priority of Sidearm vs Grendade. I always go with a basic flux, the range and damage increase just isn't worth the cost and I run Cal/Min weapons so always need the help taking shields down first. If you can't keep up, shut up. Math is easy, you're just stupid. The Empress of Alts
Bormir1r Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 702	Posted - 2014.08.09 03:46:00 - [24] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: The only thing a sentinel needs to be viable is a goddamn HMG. IF you need anything more, you're a scrub. Gav it's these kind of guys that think they feel entitled to everything; in this case they want to fit proto everything. They take things for granted and when they're gone; they complain and whine. I mean, just look at the freaking min scout, you can only fit 1 proto weapon if you decide to PG gimp your suit. Freaking BS. (Thank god CCP is giving a few extra pg for our troubles; but we're still going to be UP). Sometimes, when I close my eyes, I can't see anything. "One does not simply" run like a Raptor such as an mk.0.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2704	Posted - 2014.08.09 04:04:00 - [25] - Quote Cass Caul wrote: http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/161/6239 Here's my Sentinel I will be using upon Charlie's deployment. Egads! I need Electronics V, Engineering V, Heavy Weapon Ops III, Sidearm Ops III, 0 fitting optimization if I want to fit 4 plates, a boundless HMG, a Six Kin SMG The only Sentinel Suits that have difficulty with fittings are the ones that use Light Weapons Interesting fitting, pokey. You can see the numbers that I made mine first () but we differ on priority of Sidearm vs Grendade. I always go with a basic flux, the range and damage increase just isn't worth the cost and I run Cal/Min weapons so always need the help taking shields down first. Oh that's not really the fit I like to use anyways, more of an active rep sort of the guy anyways but I know the full plates and core nades are pretty popular. I actually prefer fluxes myself, they have more utility in my mind and help to clear shields to the HMG can tear through the armor. Dat' Proficiency V....
Cass Caul 437	Posted - 2014.08.09 21:01:00 - [26] - Quote Bormir1r wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: The only thing a sentinel needs to be viable is a goddamn HMG. IF you need anything more, you're a scrub. Gav it's these kind of guys that think they feel entitled to everything; in this case they want to fit proto everything. They take things for granted and when they're gone; they complain and whine. I mean, just look at the freaking min scout, you can only fit 1 proto weapon if you decide to PG gimp your suit. Freaking BS. (Thank god CCP is giving a few extra pg for our troubles; but we're still going to be UP). Still no clue when/if the Min-Scout is still going to get a pg buff. The 1pg reduction on complex KinCats, Codebreakers, and Nova Knives is pretty much the definition of frustration. exactly what was needed, but just not enough of a change to really matter. If you can't keep up, shut up. Math is easy, you're just stupid. The Empress of Alts
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4179	Posted - 2014.08.09 21:21:00 - [27] - Quote My alt is a Gal Heavy. I have L2 Eng and Elec but every single slot is proto. this guy has just 61+ mil SP with almost all things maxed fitting wise (fitting optimization never over 2 because it's a waste) and Min assault and scout are left with almost half the slots non proto mods/weapons. I won't even touch my alt for a month or so while building passive SP to skill up the ridiculously high multipliers of Elec/Eng Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
THUNDERGROOVE Fatal Absolution 1077	Posted - 2014.08.10 02:11:00 - [28] - Quote Boundless HMG Two complex plates Complex Heavy damage mod Sentinel A-1 /thread Amarrica! It's Not Safe to Swim.
Meee One 1.U.P 966	Posted - 2014.08.10 17:24:00 - [29] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: finished whining about sents and now whining about logi? gtfo and go play destiny already.. some heavy duty logi loadouts only give space enough to wield a sidearm at most +1 Core skills lv 4-5 I use FULL PRO equipment and only have room for ADV modules and a basic CR,on my Mk.0 suit. Logistics LV5 btw. Was banned for fighting for logistics survival on 7/25/2014 02:11. Logistics will never be respected.


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