I still think Installations got too much of a buff, though thanks for reducing the engaging and total range of them.

As an ADS and LAV pilot this is going to be rough, but the reduction in AI might balance it out. I'll probably make a rant thread later.

Btw, any idea when Charlie will be deployed? I've just skimmed if I've missed it.

Wait, does Gal Logi bonus stack with Precision Enhancers? Or can it scan quad damped Gal Scouts?

Not gonna lie, I was hoping for something along the lines of ADS getting an adjustment. Instead, I see the proto-swarms are getting a damage nerf. If you were going to reduce the number of missiles, then you should have increased the damage accordingly, not stepping it up half assed.....

Yeah, thanks for that, don't know what I would have done if I hadn't had you to reinforce that fact - what with me mentioning "Unless an LP option is given". And [redacted] me, if I wouldn't have had you here to inform me, I would have NEVER known what LP was! Two years I've been here and I've never understood what people talk about when they say "LP". I was like a lost child playing with a fork near a light socket.

Sarcasm aside - Yes, I'm fully [redacted] aware of what LP is and I'm absolutely POSITIVE that I did, in fact, mention it in my post considering that you even -quoted- the damn thing.

EITHER WAY.... I'm iffy about it because then it pretty much obligates players to engage in FW or spend real money. I didn't like the Specialist weapons and upgraded Equipment being FW only for that very reason and without a player market it only reinforces the point. That being said, throwing up -more- items on the LP store that can only be obtained there or through Aurum doesn't help the situation.

Not to mention the fact that we're considering adding 'prototype play test' items onto FW without having the stuff that people -actually use on a day-to-day basis-. It's kinda jacked up, all things considered, when you consider that many items aren't available on the LP store (and likely won't be for sometime) and FW doesn't give ISK payouts.

And this isn't even touching on the fact that we have yet to balance the suits we already have let alone adding Type-II's. Just saying, why don't we solve problems before adding more..?

Yeah CCP. You'd be biting off more than you guys can chew (which is a common error with you guys) if you tried to add another suit in the game before the others ones were even near balanced.


See the Commando suit for example. We all could have lived without the suit. Some, like me, even protested against it, saying it would get in the way of the suits we have now but you guys decided to go right on your merry way thinking the community doesn't know jack squat about game balance and here you guys are today saying that "Maybe we should get rid of the suit, it gets in the way of other things". Which is what the smart members of the community said would happen in the beginning.

Let's just focus on the Balance and the problems at hand now please, that's the major issue with DUST.

We have a lot of weapons, suits, but only some are viable. Instead of adding new crap to the pile, why not fix what we have and make the crap pile more pleasant to be around.

This is all assuming the team working on DUST isn't big enough to be spread around, if there are a nice size of people working on DUST then please, go for it but from what I've seen that's not the case.

You realize you can AFK in FW as well, right..? You get better ISK rewards for having more war-points and actually doing damage to the enemy whereas, in FW, I get the same amount of LP for winning and losing. This is to say, that whether I went 20/0 and we won... or I AFKed in the MCC.. I'm still getting the same amount of LP. Whereas in Pub Matches, I'm getting ISK pay-outs relative to my performance. You still get LP for losing anyway, so it's no big deal to just AFK through the match - you're still getting pay-outs.

And the whole "players only bring them out for PC's" is because of the [redacted] LP payouts. I'd imagine they're going to get a lot more prominent once people are actually getting paid enough LP to purchase them.

Not that this has anything to do with the argument at hand. It has nothing to do with "greater effort = greater reward" it's about exclusive rewards that you absolutely have no other choice of getting UNLESS you engage in that game mode. A game mode that doesn't even cover your losses because of item availability and (even though Charlie touches on this) [redacted] LP payouts. There are a lot of players that would argue with you about whether or not FW should have ISK payouts because of that.

The only reason Specialist weapons, "marginally better" equipment, and now these suits would -ever- be a good idea is if we had a player market with which FW players could sell the stuff to people who -don't- do FW. Without that, it's just one more cog in the great machine of problems. I don't see any functionality in adding a "play-test prototype" to FW and Aurum stores for any reason than encouraging players to fight for one side of FW (something CCP should -NEVER- be involved in) or simply to gain money. Both of which are an atrocity, in my eyes.

Provide an ISK option, and it's not nearly as bad, even though it's still the same Type-II non-sense that we should worry about -AFTER- we work out balance issues that we have -RIGHT NOW-.

210 LP*

Rewards are being tripled across the board. I get the impression some people forget that it's not just your winning payouts that are being increased. And I would much rather Proto Stompers will millions of ISK (such as myself) actually be -SPENDING IT- on something that costs a lot, slowly trickling down the amount of ISK they -do- have as opposed to holding onto it indefinitely.

Will you people stop full quoting massive amounts of text??? Anyways I was thinking that installations passive repair was rep they would give to nearby infantry. That would have totally changed the game but I guess they're just repping themselves. The changes are still enough to merit a dropsuit command respec. Nothing besides commandos and logis is what it was at the last respec. Changes are good but let us choose what we want please, not what we've been handed.

I did read the post, I also voiced my opinion. Reducing the "overall" damage is a bad move. 100 damage, regardless of what you think can mean the difference between a dead ADS or dead infantry. If you like all the changes great, but there is still an issue with the ADS.

As it sits right now, you have to hit an ADS 4 times with swarms(they usually run away by then, but sometimes you get lucky) the damage dealt by the current swarms(4 volleys) 5280, with the new numbers your looking at 4992. Couple that with regen and the ADS will be able to shrug it off as it's flying away. Yes, 100 damage matters here....

Please think before posting

My initial comment did not require a breakdown of why I felt the way I did, your quoting me did. I voiced a quick opinion, not a breakdown of how it will affect the dynamic of the game.

Let's refresh your memory on why I chose to end my comment as I did.....


Your closing statement was an implication that I didn't take the time to read the original post.

And on to the rest.....

Your argument:

Here is why:

If you have an ADS in your sights, you have hit them twice, your third volley is away, and you are lining up your forth. The ADS pilot is beginning to climb and you unleash your final volley.-- Now in the current setting, the fourth volley will possibly take the ADS down and all will be right in the world, in the new setting, your volley can hit and the pilot will fly away....only to return a few moments later to attack again.

Your argument

I underlined the flaw in your argument. There aren't many people who fly average ADS. Not only that, but ADS pilots get to stack their skills, which is idiotic.

You say that it would be boring to swarm launcher infantry? I completely disagree, there isn't one person who uses swarm launchers against ADS that would get bored, if it kept ADS pilots from being able to kill them before they got their shot off. Also, they didn't even increase the range of the swarms, another handicap they face.

ADS are extremely hard to take down alone. Even if you are running a commando suit, you can use a rifle and launcher(which will make you less effective in your roll), or you can go full swarm(this is just stupid, as it makes you completely ineffective against infantry), the ADS pilot will simply fly away, lick their wounds until they are back to full health and make another run. This is a severely broken mechanic and needs to be addressed.

From your post, I surmise you are an ADS pilot and want to make sure that you maintain your dominance on the battlefield, but as a player who has ran almost everything in the game, I can tell you that the ADS is severely over powered and needs to be adjusted.