DUST Search - Need help with a shotgun fit!

Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:

TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:

Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:

TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:

Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:

My pub suit costs me 93k isk...unless I'm heaving a bad day, i don't die more than 4 times a match. Average payout for me is 250k-360k isk...and I'm not even good.

By your own definition of the numbers you just listed you typically go isk negative. But let me guess someone funds you right? Or you fund through alts?

I highlighted the key words...

93k x 4 = 372k

Math! Brought to you by sesame street.

I re highlighted your key words to help you out too.

For future reference if you want to claim isk positive as the norm you should just say more than 3 times a match as its not like anyone is going to stalk you in matches to see if you're lying.

OMG you're so stupid its not even funny...

4 deaths=maximum

Lets take an average of 5 matches--

0 death-0k
1 death-93k
2 deaths-186k
3 deaths-279k
4 deaths-372k

Gêæ^^/5=186k isk loss/match

AVG isk gain--(250+360)/2=305k isk payout average

In the black by an average of 119k isk give or take 93k.

--Math presented to you by someone who passed middle school.

Come on, this is basic arithmetic....


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TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 295	Posted - 2014.08.05 18:00:00 - [1] - Quote Mr Hakyou wrote: Hey I was wondering what a good fit for scout ck.0 shotty would be.. and before you say it, I know, the Gallente and Minmatar are a lot better at shotgunning. I have level 5 Shotgun and most of my cores to 5(only a level 3 cloak though). Thanks! Why are you using 150-200k isk on a proto scout fitting when you can do the same thing in a 3k militia light frame fitting? It's a shotgun... Everytime I see a xk.0 suit with a shotgun running around I just use a 8k isk cloaked shotgun scout to kill them. Because your suit is overkill, and you are wasting isk. If you are going to run a xk.0 suit then run a CR or ScR so you can join the FOTM assault scouts.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 295	Posted - 2014.08.05 18:02:00 - [2] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Mr Hakyou wrote: Hey I was wondering what a good fit for scout ck.0 shotty would be.. and before you say it, I know, the Gallente and Minmatar are a lot better at shotgunning. I have level 5 Shotgun and most of my cores to 5(only a level 3 cloak though). Thanks! Why are you using 150-200k isk on a proto scout fitting when you can do the same thing in a 3k militia light frame setting? It's a shotgun... Everytime I see a xk.0 suit with a shotgun running around I just use a 8k isk cloaked shotgun scout to kill them. Because your suit is overkill, and you are wasting isk. If you are going to run a xk.0 suit then run a CR or ScR so you can join the FOTM assault scouts. They use X suits for the increase slots I'm just saying it's redundant in the current meta game. It's unlikely anyone is going to scan you, but it's his isk to blow. And no amount of x slots is going to stop the not brain dead players from tearing him apart after he shotguns one maybe two guys. For those 5 man pile ups you can do that in a militia suit, hence redundant. Shotgun requires you to get in players faces, so either you outnumber them in which case your militia suit is fine or you don't in which case your xk.0 suit is relying on bad players being bad.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 295	Posted - 2014.08.05 18:46:00 - [3] - Quote Mr Hakyou wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Why are you using 150-200k isk on a proto scout fitting when you can do the same thing in a 3k militia light frame fitting? It's a shotgun... Everytime I see a xk.0 suit with a shotgun running around I just use a 8k isk cloaked shotgun scout to kill them. Because your suit is overkill, and you are wasting isk. If you are going to run a xk.0 suit then run a CR or ScR so you can join the FOTM assault scouts. You haven't played PC ever, have you? No, why would I? It only recently hasn't been plagued by isk farming and district locking. If you must know, I consider myself to probably be one of the few legit characters when it comes to isk efficiency though I realize meta wise that is pointless. I've never farmed isk, not even on an alt, I've never taken isk from other players, and i've never spammed accounts to get dat 500k isk that people do. I'm at 60 mil isk at the moment and I'm literally trying to burn through my overstock of fits from 1.8 launch as we speak. I have a 1.37 kd/r which is not impressive to anyone, but I will add that's 1.37 kd/r on an omni soldier who pushes objectives and doesn't run from a fight... unless I joined it late, I just leave those as the isk payout will always be meh. I also run fun builds on my main because I'm not actually obsessed with pretending stats matter. I don't and have never had a single proto fitting so that positive kd/r though it may be scoffed at is a kd/r achieved primarily in militia and std gear. I have and can run about anything in adv though I rarely do and am actually working on unlocking std tank missles which will pretty much complete my ability to field anything. I played this game because I like the fact that I can field pretty much whatever I can come up with and constantly have 30 fittings to play around with in my loadout. I have 30 because the game only let's me have 30 at a time. I have continuously fought against proto geared out players and I actively hunt them as I, even realizing it is futile because everyone exploits the isk system farming one way or another, enjoy making proto players run isk negative for the match. I play fps games because I like competition, not because I want to "feel" like I'm "good" at it. You can talk down to me all you want but I will never think anyone that runs proto is actually good at the game. I'm okay with people running proto that's just fine, in fact lately my biggest problem in matches has simply been the fact that as a typically solo player (Because I got tired of being bitched at with "Y don't u run proto, u bad bro?")I have often times run with players in proto squads and they rarely out perform me except when they bear tank a bunch of newberries. I'm often put into matchmaking with really bad players. I'm talking people that go 0/16. I never went 0/16 even when I first started this game and was fighting in my mlt gear against imperfect proto stomps. At the end of the day, all I'm saying, and for what it's worth, you can spend a whole lot less isk and accomplish the same thing. -Signed, One of a couple guys that actually plays this not to go +10 on Golden Eye while everyone else is +0.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 295	Posted - 2014.08.05 19:50:00 - [4] - Quote Mr Hakyou wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: insert huge wall of text here You are not accomplishing the same thing... pubs are so easy it's not even fun. No competition in pubs. In PC, win or lose, it's always a fun fight. You running mlt in pubs or are you running proto then claiming it's easy? I mean this specifically in response to running a shotgun proto scout in PC, as that is apparently the question? I just don't think you need it but I guess I wouldn't know. I've never heard of proto shotgun scouts being the new meta in PC, but again I don't pay much attention to it. From what I've heard it's proto rifle scouts. I assumed that since its easy to stop a shotgun scout proto or not in a group fight, I assumed since everyone acts like PC is where the good players go that it must not be effective. Then again I find it hard to understand how uneven clone counts and barely playing = the good games. And in pubbies what I'm saying absolutely stands that if its so easy why run a 150-200k suit? Why not a cheap fit since it's so easy?
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 295	Posted - 2014.08.05 19:57:00 - [5] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Mr Hakyou wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: insert huge wall of text here You are not accomplishing the same thing... pubs are so easy it's not even fun. No competition in pubs. In PC, win or lose, it's always a fun fight. You running mlt in pubs or are you running proto then claiming it's easy? I mean this specifically in response to running a shotgun proto scout in PC, as that is apparently the question? I just don't think you need it but I guess I wouldn't know. I've never heard of proto shotgun scouts being the new meta in PC, but again I don't pay much attention to it. From what I've heard it's proto rifle scouts. I assumed that since its easy to stop a shotgun scout proto or not in a group fight, I assumed since everyone acts like PC is where the good players go that it must not be effective. And in pubbies what I'm saying absolutely stands that if its so easy why run a 150-200k suit? Why not a cheap fit since it's so easy? Because most people can go isk positive in a suit that costs 150k Define most people... not the proto ive seen. Hell if I terminate more then one nyain san or AE clone (and I do) in a match that aren't going isk positive. They usually lose at least 3 if they aren't hiding in a tank or hiding in their red line sniping.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 295	Posted - 2014.08.05 20:00:00 - [6] - Quote Mr Hakyou wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: You running mlt in pubs or are you running proto then claiming it's easy? I mean this specifically in response to running a shotgun proto scout in PC, as that is apparently the question? I just don't think you need it but I guess I wouldn't know. I've never heard of proto shotgun scouts being the new meta in PC, but again I don't pay much attention to it. From what I've heard it's proto rifle scouts. And in pubbies what I'm saying absolutely stands that if its so easy why run a 150-200k suit? Why not a cheap fit since it's so easy? I never said I was using it for pubs... and yes! I do run proto in pubs... not that I need to... I just don't feel like making fits separate from my PC fits... if you've got ISK use it, the game is almost dead anway. You keep telling yourself that scooter and one day everyone will believe you I promise! Edit: I'm not knocking using proto I'm just sick of people using proto and then complaining how the game is too easy or something. That makes no sense. Who plays a game on "I'm just in it for the story" difficulty and claims its too easy? Or better yet the other gem where they like to claim teamwork > gear. If that were the case why does everyone use Proto in PC? Come on, I thought you said teamwork was so amazing guys! In reality, it's both + whatever CCP has made stupid good on the current nerf/buff cycle. I play the game to have fun... in fact that's why I made the Fun Police because I have to constantly remind players that fun was the intended goal of a game, not circle jerking to your SP.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 295	Posted - 2014.08.05 20:02:00 - [7] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: My pub suit costs me 93k isk...unless I'm heaving a bad day, i don't die more than 4 times a match. Average payout for me is 250k-360k isk...and I'm not even good. By your own definition of the numbers you just listed you typically go isk negative. But let me guess someone funds you right? Or you fund through alts?
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 296	Posted - 2014.08.05 22:04:00 - [8] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: My pub suit costs me 93k isk...unless I'm heaving a bad day, i don't die more than 4 times a match. Average payout for me is 250k-360k isk...and I'm not even good. By your own definition of the numbers you just listed you typically go isk negative. But let me guess someone funds you right? Or you fund through alts? I highlighted the key words... 93k x 4 = 372k Math! Brought to you by sesame street. I re highlighted your key words to help you out too. For future reference if you want to claim isk positive as the norm you should just say more than 3 times a match as its not like anyone is going to stalk you in matches to see if you're lying.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 296	Posted - 2014.08.05 22:19:00 - [9] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: My pub suit costs me 93k isk...unless I'm heaving a bad day, i don't die more than 4 times a match. Average payout for me is 250k-360k isk...and I'm not even good. By your own definition of the numbers you just listed you typically go isk negative. But let me guess someone funds you right? Or you fund through alts? I highlighted the key words... 93k x 4 = 372k Math! Brought to you by sesame street. I re highlighted your key words to help you out too. For future reference if you want to claim isk positive as the norm you should just say more than 3 times a match as its not like anyone is going to stalk you in matches to see if you're lying. OMG you're so stupid its not even funny... 4 deaths=maximum Lets take an average of 5 matches-- 0 death-0k 1 death-93k 2 deaths-186k 3 deaths-279k 4 deaths-372k Gêæ^^/5=186k isk loss/match AVG isk gain--(250+360)/2=305k isk payout average In the black by an average of 119k isk give or take 93k. --Math presented to you by someone who passed middle school. Come on, this is basic arithmetic.... Your maximum death exceeds your maximum payout chief. Or are you saying you always make between 250-360? Not too mention I didn't even address the fact that you claim you don't always die more than 4, bad games wouldn't be excused because they still happen. Because I call bullshit. Your team has to always do pretty bad for you not to get an occasional 180k. But again this is all moot as to the point at hand. In practical terms list your backlog on your wallet and that will simplify your claims. Inb4, a couple million isk from another player is in your wallet. Inb4, you fabricate your wallet earnings. Just lie better next time.