DUST Search - Anyone can be a scout

Buwaro Draemon wrote:

Mobius Kaethis wrote:

People aren't complaining that scouts aren't doing their job. They are complaining that scouts are doing the roles intended for other dropsuits better than said other specialized suit.

For example:

Scout logi vs logi logi: scout logi is faster, harder to kill and still can deploy a decent amount of equipment

Scout assault vs assault assault: scout can be played more agressively to greater effect and can fit more HP with better weapons all while being able to cloak.

Scout point defence vs sentinal point defense: The scout can remain undetectable killing any and all who enter their zone of denial while heavies are always evident as guards

Scout AV vs All other AV: Scouts simply sprint out place gobs of proxies then can cloak up, only uncloaking to use their swarms to drive tanks into their proxy field.

Scout Devs vs Standard Devs: Scout devs never post on the forums and are never seen....regular devs make occasional appearances.

Okay, clearly I've gone a bit off the deep-end but the first sentence was serious.

I never said anything about complaining. It just urges me that I see people say "They are stacking HP mods. So they are not being a real scout"

Scouts don't necessarily need to be fast and weak. But CCP decided to make them like that.
As long as someone runs around with a Active Scanner scanning the enemy while being undetected by them is a scout.

Tho I agree with all that you said.

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Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Final Resolution. 288	Posted - 2014.08.05 08:05:00 - [1] - Quote Why? Because scouting is the action of gathering information about enemy forces or an area. So basically any suit can do this in Dust. But it's the EWAR bonuses that the specialized Light Frame called "Scout" that makes your job to gather intel on enemy and an area with ease. Why is the scout almost alway chosen as the weak suit? Because it would be seemingly OP. Imagine if the EWAR bonuses were given to a Medium Frame? Sounds OP right? But alas! Any suit can basically scout. But it is the scout SUIT on Dust 514 that makes your job easier. So please. As annoying as bricked tanked and shield tanked scouts suits are. Don't say they are doing their job as scouts wrong. As long as they remain undetected and gather enemy intel, they are doing their job. Scout doesn't mean you should be speedy. The scouts that are doing their job as scouts wrong are the ones that run into the frontlines as if it was an assault suit. If you are a scout and you only use EWAR then you have my salutes o7 END THE TYRANNY OF BRINK TANKED SCOUTS
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2788	Posted - 2014.08.05 08:09:00 - [2] - Quote Heavies can't scout... Unless you're only looking for heavies in a small, specific field.
Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Final Resolution. 288	Posted - 2014.08.05 08:16:00 - [3] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Heavies can't scout... Unless you're only looking for heavies in a small, specific field. It was in the original drat until I erased it all and re-worked the thread... I forgot to add heavies... If you are a scout and you only use EWAR then you have my salutes o7 END THE TYRANNY OF BRINK TANKED SCOUTS
Venerable Phage Red Shirts Away Team 222	Posted - 2014.08.05 08:19:00 - [4] - Quote I've seen plenty of heavies scout. From LAVs My take on 514: Five Empires, One Dead, Four Alive
Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Final Resolution. 288	Posted - 2014.08.05 08:21:00 - [5] - Quote Venerable Phage wrote: I've seen plenty of heavies scout. From LAVs Oh this. I can't believe I completely forgot this. If you are a scout and you only use EWAR then you have my salutes o7 END THE TYRANNY OF BRINK TANKED SCOUTS
Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Final Resolution. 288	Posted - 2014.08.05 08:52:00 - [6] - Quote God I miss all the vehicles we had ;-; It made the battlefield seem more colorful instead of just Blue, Green, White & Black color all over the place If you are a scout and you only use EWAR then you have my salutes o7 END THE TYRANNY OF BRINK TANKED SCOUTS
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1603	Posted - 2014.08.05 09:01:00 - [7] - Quote People aren't complaining that scouts aren't doing their job. They are complaining that scouts are doing the roles intended for other dropsuits better than said other specialized suit. For example: Scout logi vs logi logi: scout logi is faster, harder to kill and still can deploy a decent amount of equipment Scout assault vs assault assault: scout can be played more agressively to greater effect and can fit more HP with better weapons all while being able to cloak. Scout point defence vs sentinal point defense: The scout can remain undetectable killing any and all who enter their zone of denial while heavies are always evident as guards Scout AV vs All other AV: Scouts simply sprint out place gobs of proxies then can cloak up, only uncloaking to use their swarms to drive tanks into their proxy field. Scout Devs vs Standard Devs: Scout devs never post on the forums and are never seen....regular devs make occasional appearances. Okay, clearly I've gone a bit off the deep-end but the first sentence was serious. Fun > Realism
Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Final Resolution. 291	Posted - 2014.08.05 21:46:00 - [8] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: People aren't complaining that scouts aren't doing their job. They are complaining that scouts are doing the roles intended for other dropsuits better than said other specialized suit. For example: Scout logi vs logi logi: scout logi is faster, harder to kill and still can deploy a decent amount of equipment Scout assault vs assault assault: scout can be played more agressively to greater effect and can fit more HP with better weapons all while being able to cloak. Scout point defence vs sentinal point defense: The scout can remain undetectable killing any and all who enter their zone of denial while heavies are always evident as guards Scout AV vs All other AV: Scouts simply sprint out place gobs of proxies then can cloak up, only uncloaking to use their swarms to drive tanks into their proxy field. Scout Devs vs Standard Devs: Scout devs never post on the forums and are never seen....regular devs make occasional appearances. Okay, clearly I've gone a bit off the deep-end but the first sentence was serious. I never said anything about complaining. It just urges me that I see people say "They are stacking HP mods. So they are not being a real scout" Scouts don't necessarily need to be fast and weak. But CCP decided to make them like that. As long as someone runs around with a Active Scanner scanning the enemy while being undetected by them is a scout. Tho I agree with all that you said. If you are a scout and you only use EWAR then you have my salutes o7 END THE TYRANNY OF BRINK TANKED SCOUTS
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3148	Posted - 2014.08.05 22:01:00 - [9] - Quote Buwaro Draemon wrote: Mobius Kaethis wrote: People aren't complaining that scouts aren't doing their job. They are complaining that scouts are doing the roles intended for other dropsuits better than said other specialized suit. For example: Scout logi vs logi logi: scout logi is faster, harder to kill and still can deploy a decent amount of equipment Scout assault vs assault assault: scout can be played more agressively to greater effect and can fit more HP with better weapons all while being able to cloak. Scout point defence vs sentinal point defense: The scout can remain undetectable killing any and all who enter their zone of denial while heavies are always evident as guards Scout AV vs All other AV: Scouts simply sprint out place gobs of proxies then can cloak up, only uncloaking to use their swarms to drive tanks into their proxy field. Scout Devs vs Standard Devs: Scout devs never post on the forums and are never seen....regular devs make occasional appearances. Okay, clearly I've gone a bit off the deep-end but the first sentence was serious. I never said anything about complaining. It just urges me that I see people say "They are stacking HP mods. So they are not being a real scout" Scouts don't necessarily need to be fast and weak. But CCP decided to make them like that. As long as someone runs around with a Active Scanner scanning the enemy while being undetected by them is a scout. Tho I agree with all that you said. I think it is the very fact that certain races CAN HP tank so much that makes them better assaults than assaults. And that is most definitely an issue. This is how a minja feels
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 3620	Posted - 2014.08.05 22:12:00 - [10] - Quote Brick-tanked Scouts outperforming Assaults in the role of "Assault" is a problem ... whether or not they also perform recon functions. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley

TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 296	Posted - 2014.08.05 22:14:00 - [11] - Quote Hell I run a med logi scout myself even though I have a logi. It's just easier to dodge bullets while being able to rep and revive with those two slots. Because remember kids, scouts need two slots so they can use a cloak and another equipment, because cloaks are just so bad! We need that nanohive or REs with our cloak!
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 3621	Posted - 2014.08.05 22:20:00 - [12] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Hell I run a med logi scout myself even though I have a logi. It's just easier to dodge bullets while being able to rep and revive with those two slots. Because remember kids, scouts need two slots so they can use a cloak and another equipment, because cloaks are just so bad! We need that nanohive or REs with our cloak! Technically, scrublet, cloak should've been built into the Scout suit. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 296	Posted - 2014.08.05 22:25:00 - [13] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Hell I run a med logi scout myself even though I have a logi. It's just easier to dodge bullets while being able to rep and revive with those two slots. Because remember kids, scouts need two slots so they can use a cloak and another equipment, because cloaks are just so bad! We need that nanohive or REs with our cloak! Technically, scrublet, cloak should've been built into the Scout suit. Cloak was intended to help us do our job -- be it reconnaissance, uplink placement, sabotage, etc -- without getting insta-gibbed. We ended up with a frontal suit device which folks ran atop brick-tank. Ergo problemo. Explain, scrublet, why you were technically supposed to have a built in cloak? Link to that early CCP statement that they always intended for scouts to have built in cloaks. I'll wait. Lower scan db absolutely, built in invisibility, you're going to need more than the bullshit your spewing right now.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 3621	Posted - 2014.08.05 22:43:00 - [14] - Quote Don't be mad at me, little scrub. I'm not responsible for how the scout has been defiled by the FotM-chasing "slayer l33t" crowd, and I don't owe you an explanation beyond what's already been provided: A Scout's job often requires equipment. Think Uplinks, Active Scanners, etc. Cloak was supposed to help the Scout do his job, not become the Scout's job. We are aware that of the "assault lite" issue and have made every possible effort toward seeing it corrected. Rattati willing, we expect to see fewer scouts in play come Charlie, and fewer still by Delta. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 299	Posted - 2014.08.06 00:47:00 - [15] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Dodge the question.jpg Nobody cares about your Epeen bra, but talk all you want Denzel you are a pretty good actor. You
Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Final Resolution. 292	Posted - 2014.08.07 21:59:00 - [16] - Quote Why did this thread turned into a scout QQ thread? I just wanted to point out that basically any suit can scout as long as they are undetected and give information about enemy locations. And that the scout isn't the typical TF2 fast, weak but with a shotgun type of class. That's more like a skirmisher than a scout... If you are a scout and you only use EWAR then you have my salutes o7 END THE TYRANNY OF BRINK TANKED SCOUTS
Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Final Resolution. 292	Posted - 2014.08.08 15:45:00 - [17] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Dodge the question.jpg Nobody cares about your Epeen bra, but talk all you want Denzel you are a pretty good actor. You You still haven't shown where CCP stated they intended scouts to have invisibility built into their suits. If scouts were supposed to have a cloak built in, that would make the class meaninglessly OP as they are now. They were fine with just one equipment slot. And before CCP added the second equipment slot, they said that it would cost the scout's ability to carry a Light Weapon. Scouts QQ until no end. If scouts could only carry 2 sidearms instead of a Light Weapon and a sidearm, they wouldn't be as OP since the only sidearm that insta-kills you are the Nova Knives. But no, now we have scouts HP tanked and running around with Assault Combat Rifles killing anyone in seconds and being invisible (there are some maps where the blue shimmer is not noticeable) and placing RE's everywhere. If you are a scout and you only use EWAR then you have my salutes o7 END THE TYRANNY OF BRINK TANKED SCOUTS
David Mustane D3M3NT3D M1NDZ 41	Posted - 2014.08.08 23:44:00 - [18] - Quote Scouts will continue to be broken. the moment that they are fixed they will cry foul, and ***** till CCP makes scouts OP again. Scouts should only have 1 equipment, and at max 2 high/low slots on a proto suit. ' Light suit means lighter gear and lighter mods. and in that, they can still use the OP shotgun.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 3746	Posted - 2014.08.09 00:12:00 - [19] - Quote David Mustane wrote: Scouts will continue to be broken. the moment that they are fixed they will cry foul, and ***** till CCP makes scouts OP again. Not if the Scout Community gets a say in the matter. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Tectonic Fusion 1875	Posted - 2014.08.09 00:25:00 - [20] - Quote Anyone can be an assault as well.

Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 283	Posted - 2014.08.09 00:34:00 - [21] - Quote quit your whining.. scouting is undectected and only light/scout suits can do that as they can resist normal active scanners then as you progress or the enemy uses higher meta scanners you need to then apply the Ewar.. lets not forget their weapons.. shotgun.. speed.. knife.. they strafe like they are doing the foxtrot infront of a ehavy takeing 0 damage while shooting them maybe 2 to 3 times to kill them.. other class of dropsuits are 1 to 2 shots at most.. its the speed the shotgun the cloak the innate scan evasion which makes people brick tank them as they dont need to put much ewar on anymore now cloaks made scouts easymode.. and assaultscouts veryeasy mode > LogiBro in Training
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 3747	Posted - 2014.08.09 00:46:00 - [22] - Quote ^ Is bad at Dust? Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley


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