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RYN0CER0S
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Posted - 2014.08.02 21:46:00 -
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In the past I've suggested a few reasonable nerfs for the Heavy/HMG combo, including:
Remove dual stream Rep Tools
Reduce Dispersion
Reduce Turn Speed
Reduce (slightly) Range
Not all of them to be applied concurrently.
But, since you people are insistant on a more aggressive nerf, I propose this:
Remove Headshot Bonus from the HMG
When I started using Heavies, the HMG was "laser focused" and yet I rarely got Headshot Kills.
Immediately after the Dispersion fix I started getting Headshot Kills 10-15 times per match.
I appreciate a good skill Kill as much as the next guy, but the Dispersion allows the Headshot Bonus to be applied up to ~48 times per second.
Admittedly, that is bad. I don't have the maths on it at the moment, but I'm sure one of you lovely people wouldn't mind posting the hard data...
We (those who suffered through the bad HMG days) have been trained to aim it well. I put the center most point of the reticle on a target and they're instantly dead now. I get rewarded for skill Kills when I'm just spraying into 3-10 clustered mercs. Granted, I spray high to achieve this because it is effective, but if a nerf is to be applied, this should be the starting point.
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RYN0CER0S
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Posted - 2014.08.02 21:54:00 -
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Reign Omega wrote:The headshot bonus is kind of crazy if you think about it, on smaller frames if you aim for the chest the reticule is halfway on the head anyways....thats an absurd damage multiplier.
Exactly.
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RYN0CER0S
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Posted - 2014.08.02 22:14:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:Honestly the HMG kills scouts and med frames so fast the damage bonus doesn't even matter. My PC cal scout has less than 400 hp and a hmg can kill me in about .5 seconds, which is already faster than i can react most times, especially with real laggy PC matches.
The only time the hmg head shot bonus really matters is against other heavies. So I say keep it, let those fat bastards kill each other faster.
That bonus is a bigger problem for suits with lower HP pools, smart guy.
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RYN0CER0S
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Posted - 2014.08.02 22:57:00 -
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XxWarlordxX97 wrote:Nerf the shotgun too then
Shotgun dispersion isn't nearly that of the HMG.
Aiming for the upper chest from >5m away doesn't equate to a (or several) Headshot Bonus(es).
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RYN0CER0S
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Posted - 2014.08.02 23:19:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:i dont think the HMG needs any nerf at all considering its range limitations and Suit specific requirements.
I really don't either, but they're going to do it anyways before we see how the Medium buff works out for overall balance.
May as well make it something sensible, not a 50% range reduction or something just as stupid.
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RYN0CER0S
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Posted - 2014.08.02 23:52:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:RYN0CER0S wrote:te=Izlare Lenix]Honestly the HMG kills scouts and med frames so fast the damage bonus doesn't even matter. My PC cal scout has less than 400 hp and a hmg can kill me in about .5 seconds, which is already faster than i can react most times, especially with real laggy PC matches.
The only time the hmg head shot bonus really matters is against other heavies. So I say keep it, let those fat bastards kill each other faster. That bonus is a bigger problem for suits with lower HP pools, smart guy.
You missed my point smart guy.
The hmg already kills scouts so damn fast killing them any faster with a headshot bonus makes virtually no difference. The headshot bonus is not the issue. The huge clip, best damage profile and instant spray of OP dps out to 40+ meters is the issue.
I have said plenty of times before hmgs should have a spool up time, longer than the rail rifle. Combined with the upcoming overheat changes that will help balance the hmg better without touching its damage or range.
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I knew I smelled a Scout...
Have you even used a HMG?
I use Scouts and I can tell you that you are doing it all wrong.
Big blip on the TacNet means that you need to move your ass, not stand there. Your suit is a Recon/Intel based fitting and using as anything other than that is your misjudgment.
Are we supposed to balance everything around that type of mentality?
I'm sorry that you misread something that said that every scrub could use a Light frame as an Assault. But, that's not my problem. You came within 80m of a HMG (or anybody with a gun and good aim) and you got melted. It happens. Ask any Veteran Scout, as they have no problem staying alive, killing, and profiting.
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RYN0CER0S
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Posted - 2014.08.03 00:41:00 -
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Lanius Pulvis wrote:Lower the turn speed as well and it makes sense.
One nerf at a time.
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RYN0CER0S
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Posted - 2014.08.03 08:40:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:That sorta disadvantages the Burst's HMGs Role don'tcha you think? Not so much because the base DPS is still hefty enough to carry it. The Burst would still be effective against other Heavies, as it is now.
I can see that my numbers nerds are sleeping on the job.
I'll have to put something together to prove my point.
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RYN0CER0S
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Posted - 2014.08.04 07:12:00 -
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Rowdy Railgunner wrote:Nerf HMG? You are dumb. Look at what we have here. DUST is basically TF2. Heavies need logis to even be effective. Scouts are OP and med frames are not even really used. What we need to nerf is people. Stop all these dummies from making QQ threads about that last weapon that killed them.
I think it's fine.
I use them all day.
The problem is that they're going to nerf it because of the usual game of 'Duck, Duck, Nerf the Goose'.
I just wanted to put out some different ideas other than the usual small-minded **** that these morons post, repeatedly.
Thanks for the input though.
+1
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