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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
1709
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Posted - 2014.08.02 10:08:00 -
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Hello kiddies, DADDY'S HOME!
After almost 6 months of being unable to play, I got to run my custom dropsuits rigged to feet me a bite of delicious chunky munky ice cream every time I kill one of you.
On a more serious note I am a dedicated heavy player. Every dropsuit skillpoint I have is dumped into sentinel or commando suits. This will not change with the upcoming nerf. My flavor is, was, and will always be fatsuits.
To illustrate my commentary as of last night I have the following:
Gallente Sentinel 5
Caldari Sentinel 5
Amarr Sentinel 5
Minmatar Sentinel 1 (and rising!)
Gallente Commando 3
All other Commando 1
This will remain and continue going up after the upcoming heavy CPU/PG nerf. I'm for the nerf. Suck it FOTM chasers.
As a side note anyone who enters a match and denies me my tribute of four 55-gallon trashbags of cheetos will be killed repeatedly.
When I first dropped in I was under the delusion that the FOTM thing was overstated snd exaggerated. Imagine my shock when I found 1/3rd to 1/2 running fat in one flavor or another. After a few games of play the pattern that has flagrantly caused the anger about FOTM suits rapidly emerged.
First it begins with a sigh. "Another goddamned fatsuit in my sights." So you smartly stay back and patiently crack him open. Then the next. Then the next. Then the enemy is crawling up your ass because you had to chew through a wall of stupid and ehp, and retreat to cover to defend.
Then all of a sudden some complete ass (this would be me) slams into you like a bowling ball and kills three of you and continues waddling along murdering in CQC. And there is no way to differentiate me from the FOTM amateur hour, making the spam that much worse.
From my perspective I must applaud the assaults who used range and remote explosives to stop my rampages. To you I give kudos for not being idiotic. To everyone who ran right at me or tried to duel me in CQC you are dumb.
To me the FOTM chasers were obvious because I would flash and killl three of them in my templar fatsuit with militia mods. Properly skilled heavies were equally obvious as one of us walked away with maybe 50 hp left and promptly got picked off by the vultures nearby.
Analysis: FOTM is less effective than it is annoying. I sympathize with medium suit users because bluntly heavy is a support suit. It should not be the mainline infantry attack rig any more than a logi or a scout. I believe making fitting harder will properly force EZ-Mode players out of the role and return the sentinel suit properly to high-risk, high-reward as it should be.
I hope that the upcoming assault buffs similarly return mainline infantry to prominence. |
Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
3755
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Posted - 2014.08.02 10:23:00 -
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Did a goon just say something constructive?
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LASERS BTCH!!!!!!!
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Metapod Use Harden
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2014.08.02 10:40:00 -
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Man, i like your post for the most part but you gotta explain what the risk part is in the High risk/High reward because as of now not really much risk with all that hp and dps. |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
1711
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Posted - 2014.08.02 11:45:00 -
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Metapod Use Harden wrote:Man, i like your post for the most part but you gotta explain what the risk part is in the High risk/High reward because as of now not really much risk with all that hp and dps.
Traditionally in the past playing heavy/sentinel it has been very punshing as a role to grow into for newer players because it was so very dependent upon core skills AND fitting skills to kit out fat very well. It takes about 15-20 milion SP pumped into the role to become a walking wall of hell the way I play. This fatty flavor results in comparably poor fat fits because FOTM chasers front load the suits for DPS but fit poorly for armor, mitigation and recovery modules and it is obvious. I gunned down a few in my templar assault suit with militia mods. It wasnt particularly difficult as I have prof 3 with scrams even if zero assault suit skills.
In short, the sentinels you are facing are all gank, negligible tank (for a heavy).
The high risk of playing heavy is your first 12-15 million SP. You are going to get savaged. It's that simple. The high reward stage comes at around 20 mil SP when you are riding high on the suit as a mini gunnlogi/madrugar and you realize you can functionally call yourself a threat to the enemy.
Heavies have always been the bastion of the patient killer. We do not welcome FOTM chasers into our ranks. |
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
1805
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Posted - 2014.08.02 13:08:00 -
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I "FoTM Chased" by putting 1 point into HMG's so that i don't have to spend LP on em.
Now i beat every heavy in a 1v1 with my MLT minnie heavy with a shield and kin cat.
You all rely so much on your ridiculous HP and DPS you forget to strafe.
Also, I'm trying hard to understand how heavy is an SP intensive role. Here is my understanding--HMG to 5, 3 in cores, armor or shield to 5, grenade to 1, select heavy to 5, damage mods to 5.
Estimated cost- 7 mil sp -¦ 1 mil
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ
Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
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Izlare Lenix
Vengeance Unbound
Dark Taboo
834
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Posted - 2014.08.02 14:12:00 -
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I have less than 10 mil on my heavy alt. Lvl 5 amarr sentinel, lvl 3 hmg proficiency. And with only lvl 3 core skills I can fit everything proto with cpu and pg to spare. This 'nerf' the heavies are getting is not really a nerf since they have way too much fitting room.
And it won't change the fact that heavies will still have the most hp with resists and the most ridiculously OP weapon ever. Fatties will still be easy mode. I use basic suit/hmg most of the time I pull out a heavy and it is still more powerful than my proto cal and gal scout.
Gun control is not about guns...it's about control.
The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
3571
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Posted - 2014.08.02 14:26:00 -
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All my likes. 
FYI: We're on the same page as it pertains to fixing FOTM scouts.
Shoot scout with yes...
- Ripley Riley
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
1714
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Posted - 2014.08.02 14:32:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:I "FoTM Chased" by putting 1 point into HMG's so that i don't have to spend LP on em.
Now i beat every heavy in a 1v1 with my MLT minnie heavy with a shield and kin cat.
You all rely so much on your ridiculous HP and DPS you forget to strafe.
Also, I'm trying hard to understand how heavy is an SP intensive role. Here is my understanding--HMG to 5, 3 in cores, armor or shield to 5, grenade to 1, select heavy to 5, damage mods to 5.
Estimated cost- 7 mil sp -¦ 1 mil
Congratulations. Bring your min fat up on me and I will torch you. You can strafe. I do that too. I also enjoy 15% damage reduction to your level 1 HMG. 7m sp heavies are dogmeat. |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
1714
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Posted - 2014.08.02 14:39:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:I have less than 10 mil on my heavy alt. Lvl 5 amarr sentinel, lvl 3 hmg proficiency. And with only lvl 3 core skills I can fit everything proto with cpu and pg to spare. This 'nerf' the heavies are getting is not really a nerf since they have way too much fitting room.
And it won't change the fact that heavies will still have the most hp with resists and the most ridiculously OP weapon ever. Fatties will still be easy mode. I use basic suit/hmg most of the time I pull out a heavy and it is still more powerful than my proto cal and gal scout.
Spoken like someone who enjoys a spare character and passive SP then jumps into squads and has support in pubs whenever they feel it convenient.
Heavies are deadly supporting squads. When they fly solo like everyone and their idiot brother they are dead.
Im usually solo, so I tend to stay close to clusters of friendlies because the only way to rack up kills and not get pinned or pasted is to turn a corner and find enemies in optimal.
And at 40 meters or more all of the assault rifles consistently kill me before I kill them because assaults can back up faster than I can waddle forward. The ones who run at me die.
The hmg is only useful up close and is woefully unsuited to operating on any open field maps except circumstantially |
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
1808
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Posted - 2014.08.02 14:48:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:I "FoTM Chased" by putting 1 point into HMG's so that i don't have to spend LP on em.
Now i beat every heavy in a 1v1 with my MLT minnie heavy with a shield and kin cat.
You all rely so much on your ridiculous HP and DPS you forget to strafe.
Also, I'm trying hard to understand how heavy is an SP intensive role. Here is my understanding--HMG to 5, 3 in cores, armor or shield to 5, grenade to 1, select heavy to 5, damage mods to 5.
Estimated cost- 7 mil sp -¦ 1 mil Congratulations. Bring your min fat up on me and I will torch you. You can strafe. I do that too. I also enjoy 15% damage reduction to your level 1 HMG. 7m sp heavies are dogmeat.
LOL i have less than 200k in heavies.
The point is, i can eat SG scouts, all non-RR assaults and most other heavies with a basic HMG on a MLT min heavy.
This isn't a pissing match, I'm trying to make a point.
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ
Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
1714
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Posted - 2014.08.02 15:20:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:I "FoTM Chased" by putting 1 point into HMG's so that i don't have to spend LP on em.
Now i beat every heavy in a 1v1 with my MLT minnie heavy with a shield and kin cat.
You all rely so much on your ridiculous HP and DPS you forget to strafe.
Also, I'm trying hard to understand how heavy is an SP intensive role. Here is my understanding--HMG to 5, 3 in cores, armor or shield to 5, grenade to 1, select heavy to 5, damage mods to 5.
Estimated cost- 7 mil sp -¦ 1 mil Congratulations. Bring your min fat up on me and I will torch you. You can strafe. I do that too. I also enjoy 15% damage reduction to your level 1 HMG. 7m sp heavies are dogmeat. LOL i have less than 200k in heavies. The point is, i can eat SG scouts, all non-RR assaults and most other heavies with a basic HMG on a MLT min heavy. This isn't a pissing match, I'm trying to make a point.
This illustrates why I welcome the cpu/pg nerf. That means me having burned the SP to max out my fitting/core skills as well will matter, rather than having been SP wasted. I really cranked out the cpu/pg skills and consider them critical to a solid heavy fit. The fact that this is not currently the case is irritating. And if you already have maxed or close to maxed the core fitting skills you are going to shred ass in any dropsuit fitting you choose to skill into because they all have crossover utility. |
JUDASisMYhomeboy
xCosmic Voidx
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
57
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Posted - 2014.08.02 17:10:00 -
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Why is it that damage reduction is rarely discussed? Heavies arent hard to kill. Sentinels are hard to kill |
RYN0CER0S
Rise Of Old Dudes
778
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Posted - 2014.08.02 17:59:00 -
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Stop trying to make sense.
These dolts don't know how to digest it.
They're so pathetically insistent on complaining that to admit that you have a valid point would ruin their week.
You can't fix stupid.
Who farted?
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Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
7970
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Posted - 2014.08.02 18:04:00 -
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JUDASisMYhomeboy wrote:Why is it that damage reduction is rarely discussed? Heavies arent hard to kill. Sentinels are hard to kill
Sentinels are commonly called "Heavies" on these forums. I just assume everyone is talking about a Sentinel. 
King Thunderbolt is my number one fan.
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
219
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Posted - 2014.08.02 18:10:00 -
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as far as i know.. Amarr heavys (sent+commando) gonna be the best after charlie comes out.. and perhaps minmatar commando with that juicy bonus to explosive applying to swarms (already applies to mass driver and i think RE/PROX too)
Logibro in training.
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1271
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Posted - 2014.08.02 18:21:00 -
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A fast moving, unscanned scout with a shotgun is the heavy's bane. If your squad is equipped to see them, however, it's a different story entirely. |
Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
219
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Posted - 2014.08.02 18:26:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:A fast moving, unscanned scout with a shotgun is the heavy's bane. If your squad is equipped to see them, however, it's a different story entirely.
those cloaky shotgun riders need a heavy nerf... make it so they cannot use cloak+shotgun or remove the 15% per level on pg/cpu use on cloak on scouts lower requirments so any one can use it.. scouts got their speed and ability to now show on tacnet anyway
Logibro in training.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
1734
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Posted - 2014.08.02 18:56:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Leadfoot10 wrote:A fast moving, unscanned scout with a shotgun is the heavy's bane. If your squad is equipped to see them, however, it's a different story entirely. those cloaky shotgun riders need a heavy nerf... make it so they cannot use cloak+shotgun or remove the 15% per level on pg/cpu use on cloak on scouts lower requirments so any one can use it.. scouts got their speed and ability to now show on tacnet anyway
oh GOD no. Three words: Cloaked Heavy Commando. No.
And Shotgun scouts (Use prototype you lazy tools) are still the best fat splatter.
Fear me for I am heavy, I carry the slowest guns, and I drive the much-feared "Fatmobile." |
Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
11461
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Posted - 2014.08.02 19:14:00 -
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As a Plasma Rifle user, I can't help but feel cheated at heavies.
I am supposed to be a monster in CQC, run right into squads to deal max damage.
Instead I see myself picking off targets in the distance because I am afraid of engaging targets in CQC, due to the high probability of those people having a heavy nearby.
I just can't do my job as a Gallente Assault to do the "hug of death" where you sprint right into the enemy and blast them with high amounts of damage.
So basically, either I switch to one of the other three rifles, or I keep being ineffective in my engagements.
What's even more annoying is that CCP nerfed the range on the Duvolle when it buffed it, meaning that this problem is even more annoying.
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
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Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
11461
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Posted - 2014.08.02 19:15:00 -
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Hopefully the Assault changes will allow me to survive hugs of death with heavies.
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
1735
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Posted - 2014.08.02 19:17:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Hopefully the Assault changes will allow me to survive hugs of death with heavies.
not likely.
But hey look on the bright side. Caldari and minmatar heavies are pretty **** for close in work. Sure they can front-load more damage. No they just don't have the durability to soak incoming fire in a brawl. |
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
1814
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Posted - 2014.08.02 19:18:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Leadfoot10 wrote:A fast moving, unscanned scout with a shotgun is the heavy's bane. If your squad is equipped to see them, however, it's a different story entirely. those cloaky shotgun riders need a heavy nerf... make it so they cannot use cloak+shotgun or remove the 15% per level on pg/cpu use on cloak on scouts lower requirments so any one can use it.. scouts got their speed and ability to now show on tacnet anyway
Make it so that heavies can only use a FG and no sidearm and ill comply.
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ
Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
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Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
11461
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Posted - 2014.08.02 19:22:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Hopefully the Assault changes will allow me to survive hugs of death with heavies. not likely. But hey look on the bright side. Caldari and minmatar heavies are pretty **** for close in work. Sure they can front-load more damage. No they just don't have the durability to soak incoming fire in a brawl.
Minmatar Heavies are my nightmare, because they can do the hug of death too 
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
1735
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Posted - 2014.08.02 20:04:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Hopefully the Assault changes will allow me to survive hugs of death with heavies. not likely. But hey look on the bright side. Caldari and minmatar heavies are pretty **** for close in work. Sure they can front-load more damage. No they just don't have the durability to soak incoming fire in a brawl. Minmatar Heavies are my nightmare, because they can do the hug of death too
and we have a strict policy of skinning all cats we encounter. |
RYN0CER0S
Rise Of Old Dudes
781
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Posted - 2014.08.02 20:18:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Hopefully the Assault changes will allow me to survive hugs of death with heavies. not likely. But hey look on the bright side. Caldari and minmatar heavies are pretty **** for close in work. Sure they can front-load more damage. No they just don't have the durability to soak incoming fire in a brawl. Minmatar Heavies are my nightmare, because they can do the hug of death too
Minmatar have the strafe skittles.
It really pisses off the ACR Brick Scouts that wanna (try to) go 1v1.
Who farted?
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
3078
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Posted - 2014.08.02 20:32:00 -
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A heavy I actually like?
I mean, I will still try and stab you in the back (probably dying in the process) and blow you up (also probably dying in the process) but I still like you.
This is how a minja feels
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
1738
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Posted - 2014.08.02 21:05:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:A heavy I actually like? I mean, I will still try and stab you in the back (probably dying in the process) and blow you up (also probably dying in the process) but I still like you.
four 55 gallon trash bags of cheetos at my feet buys you mercy. Once per match. |
One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
3083
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Posted - 2014.08.02 21:20:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:One Eyed King wrote:A heavy I actually like? I mean, I will still try and stab you in the back (probably dying in the process) and blow you up (also probably dying in the process) but I still like you. four 55 gallon trash bags of cheetos at my feet buys you mercy. Once per match.
I will take my chances at knifing you. It is all the more sweet when I finally get you.
This is how a minja feels
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