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OP FOTM Commando Perkone Caldari State 273	Posted - 2014.08.02 05:25:00 - [1] - Quote Have you people even FLOWN ONE? It's more than obvious to me when I watch his videos that ADS are UP. It's bloody painfully obvious when I absolutely wreck them with my forge gun. Dust servers will be a ghost town on 09/09/14 Destiny kicks ass... Like Halo knocked up Mass Effect and gave birth
Atiim Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11184	Posted - 2014.08.02 05:33:00 - [2] - Quote So what if I were to link videos of Sir Snugglez tearing $#!t up in PC? Or videos of DUST Fiend killing a tank in seconds? Would that suffice as evidence to show that ADSs are OP? By your logic, yes it would. -HAND
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2366	Posted - 2014.08.02 05:53:00 - [3] - Quote Atiim wrote: So what if I were to link videos of Sir Snugglez tearing $#!t up in PC? Or videos of DUST Fiend killing a tank in seconds? Would that suffice as evidence to show that ADSs are OP? By your logic, yes it would. You're comparing the subpar pilots he's probably downed to snugglez and dust fiend? Those two are piloting legends, nothing compared to the riff raff you'd find in pubs. I am the skybound warrior, you will know to run when you hear the music from above that make panties disappear.
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1786	Posted - 2014.08.02 05:59:00 - [4] - Quote Atiim wrote: So what if I were to link videos of Sir Snugglez tearing $#!t up in PC? Or videos of DUST Fiend killing a tank in seconds? Would that suffice as evidence to show that ADSs are OP? By your logic, yes it would. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-texas-sharpshooter You're choosing (arguably) the best pilots and saying that the ADS is OP because of their performance. The average ADS pilot will usually go about 10-15 kills in a GOOD MATCH (meaning against AV) and will lose one probably every 3-4 games of high use. P.S.: Snugglez can kiss the whitest part of White-Lion's Incubus. Snugglez gets wrecked every time I see them fight.
Atiim Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11185	Posted - 2014.08.02 06:04:00 - [5] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-texas-sharpshooter You're choosing (arguably) the best pilots and saying that the ADS is OP because of their performance. The average ADS pilot will usually go about 10-15 kills in a GOOD MATCH (meaning against AV) and will lose on probably every 3-4 games of high use. That's not my logic being displayed in my post, it's an example of the logic being used in the original post. No where in my post did I actually claim that Assault Dropships were overpowered. Though I see no problem with the latter. Hotfix Charlie = Uprising 1.7 -HAND
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1786	Posted - 2014.08.02 06:09:00 - [6] - Quote Atiim wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-texas-sharpshooter You're choosing (arguably) the best pilots and saying that the ADS is OP because of their performance. The average ADS pilot will usually go about 10-15 kills in a GOOD MATCH (meaning against AV) and will lose on probably every 3-4 games of high use. That's not my logic being displayed in my post, it's an example of the logic being used in the original post. No where in my post did I actually claim that Assault Dropships were overpowered. Though I see no problem with the latter. Whoops. It's late, my bad. Though I guess it would apply to both your point and the OPs, so I'll let it stay.
Death Shadow117 New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 176	Posted - 2014.08.02 06:47:00 - [7] - Quote I only qq about these * bitches that kds me while im in my ass. Nerf ***** collision damage please. What?
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 2635	Posted - 2014.08.02 09:20:00 - [8] - Quote Atiim wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-texas-sharpshooter You're choosing (arguably) the best pilots and saying that the ADS is OP because of their performance. The average ADS pilot will usually go about 10-15 kills in a GOOD MATCH (meaning against AV) and will lose on probably every 3-4 games of high use. That's not my logic being displayed in my post, it's an example of the logic being used in the original post. No where in my post did I actually claim that Assault Dropships were overpowered. Though I see no problem with the latter. The OP is not making any fallacy. His claim is that ADS are UP. He uses a video link to back up his claim. The video itself also does not make a claim about anything being OP or UP but it does contain undeniable demonstrations of game issues that hurt rather than help pilots. Videos showing pilots doing well are however have to be considered in terms of their publishers drive. How many people are likely to release videos of them doing really badly? Are you more likely to see a video on YouTube of a great game where the maker does well or one where he does poorly? In the video linked the issues shown are not linked to performance in the game. They demonstrate how the game operates. You could argue that the video maker chose to only show the bad things that paint being a pilot as difficult or unfair, but even if he did you cannot deny that the things shown actually happen. Email Me [email protected] Twitter @Judge_EVELegion
five times Liverpool F.C. 16	Posted - 2014.08.02 12:08:00 - [9] - Quote so a dropship pilot who has some weight in the forums can make a little video catered to defend his position and the sheep are going to flock to take his point of view the guy is just worried that the Nerf to his favourite thing is going to come as more people using it will expose it ads got away / gets away with it as its not spammed, but now that it may be spammed due to affordability, JR is making a pre emptive strike
OP FOTM Commando Perkone Caldari State 274	Posted - 2014.08.02 14:31:00 - [10] - Quote no people. shut the **** up, all of you. ADS are worthless without tank support and general infantry or AV support, as well as OB support for things like PC matches to get the forge gunners off of high places i personally don't know how ADS pilots put up with it. this game is just terrible to people with real skill, it is punishing and unrewarding when your weapon of choice can't even retaliate or counter in any way without getting two or three-shotted instantly try flying an ADS then you will see what separates the pilots from the scrubs who want them nerfed into the ground when they are already UP Dust servers will be a ghost town on 09/09/14 Destiny kicks ass... Like Halo knocked up Mass Effect and gave birth

Pvt Numnutz Prophets of the Velocirapture 1736	Posted - 2014.08.02 14:32:00 - [11] - Quote Well judge is also now on CPM1, his video is more educational than it is QQ and even then its about legitimate problems pilots have faced since beta.if anything its to educate people about piloting dropships. If you have the new isk prices for the ads hulls you better link it right now. If they dropped the hull price to say 250k isk then it will still take a few games to grind for a full ship. It will mean that dedicated pilots might actually turn a profit. Pro tip the counter to dropship spam is two forge gunners working together. It doesn't matter how many dropships they call in, they will die or run.
Justin Tymes Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 733	Posted - 2014.08.02 14:38:00 - [12] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Well judge is also now on CPM1, his video is more educational than it is QQ and even then its about legitimate problems pilots have faced since beta.if anything its to educate people about piloting dropships. If you have the new isk prices for the ads hulls you better link it right now. If they dropped the hull price to say 250k isk then it will still take a few games to grind for a full ship. It will mean that dedicated pilots might actually turn a profit. Pro tip the counter to dropship spam is two forge gunners working together. It doesn't matter how many dropships they call in, they will die or run. So more Heavy spam is the answer?
OP FOTM Commando Perkone Caldari State 274	Posted - 2014.08.02 14:39:00 - [13] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Pro tip the counter to dropship spam is two forge gunners working together. It doesn't matter how many dropships they call in, they will die or run. or one single forge gunner... especially caldari sentinels... if the forger is proficient in armor damage, reload speed, ammo capacity, and generally pointing and shooting accurately... all he needs is an extra pair of eyes to tell him where the dropship went after it nitro boosted out of his line of sight. oh, and definitely a logi with hives. Dust servers will be a ghost town on 09/09/14 Destiny kicks ass... Like Halo knocked up Mass Effect and gave birth
Pvt Numnutz Prophets of the Velocirapture 1736	Posted - 2014.08.02 15:18:00 - [14] - Quote Justin Tymes wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: Well judge is also now on CPM1, his video is more educational than it is QQ and even then its about legitimate problems pilots have faced since beta.if anything its to educate people about piloting dropships. If you have the new isk prices for the ads hulls you better link it right now. If they dropped the hull price to say 250k isk then it will still take a few games to grind for a full ship. It will mean that dedicated pilots might actually turn a profit. Pro tip the counter to dropship spam is two forge gunners working together. It doesn't matter how many dropships they call in, they will die or run. So more Heavy spam is the answer? Okay first, two heavies is spam? God help us. Secondly, if the hmg heavies are skilled into forge guns they can become forge gunners at a supply depot or if they die/suicide. You could keep the same level of heavy spam and counter a dropship spam. (Really tho they will probably end up crashing into each other anyway.)
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game Dark Taboo 242	Posted - 2014.08.02 17:45:00 - [15] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Pro tip the counter to dropship spam is two forge gunners working together. It doesn't matter how many dropships they call in, they will die or run. Mind if I follow up with a noob tip of how to counter the 2 heavies? I will anyway. It's called a gorgon to the face, you'll get at least one of them, if not both then you can jump out and shoot the other while he's blowing holes in yer ship!
Scheneighnay McBob Cult of Gasai 5777	Posted - 2014.08.02 18:40:00 - [16] - Quote ADSs really should have been removed, because they make vehicle balance even more confusing. I indeed believe that air superiority needs to be very important. However, I also believe that teamwork should be very important. The question that is raised is what should be better: a standard dropship with a full, good crew, or an ADS with tons of SP and 1 guy in it? pé¦pâ+pé¦pâ½pâäpâ¬pâ¦pé¦pâ¼pâ+pâêpü»sñ¬S+ïpéè
buzzzzzzz killllllllll Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 661	Posted - 2014.08.02 18:46:00 - [17] - Quote just reduce the price before you start bitching please. ads is way to expensive to be "balanced" correctly, as making it easy to kill while being expensive would be unfair to players without pc funding. however, ads are currently a bit too difficult to kill with only 1-2 av players, which makes them an unequal force modifier. however, this is mostly due to the unbalanced afterburner, which can get you out of harms way instantly, and has almost no cooldown. my suggested solution to this is reduce ads hull price to maybe 100k, which is still more than tanks, then increase afterburner cooldown to maybe 30 seconds, and also fix the broken skill stacking
buzzzzzzz killllllllll Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 661	Posted - 2014.08.02 18:47:00 - [18] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: ADSs really should have been removed, because they make vehicle balance even more confusing. I indeed believe that air superiority needs to be very important. However, I also believe that teamwork should be very important. The question that is raised is what should be better: a standard dropship with a full, good crew, or an ADS with tons of SP and 1 guy in it? an ads with a full good crew specced into ads
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game Dark Taboo 243	Posted - 2014.08.02 18:48:00 - [19] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: ADSs really should have been removed, because they make vehicle balance even more confusing. I indeed believe that air superiority needs to be very important. However, I also believe that teamwork should be very important. The question that is raised is what should be better: a standard dropship with a full, good crew, or an ADS with tons of SP and 1 guy in it? How about the same as tanks... 1 guy 1 large turret will tear everything up if left unchecked... 3 guys with turrets will tear everything up regardless. Just a heads up, but small missiles are much easier to land from a side turret (especially against dropships) and because of the massive damage rails deal to vehicles everyone seems to forget that missiles make the other guy flail about like a deranged wasp, therefore stopping many of the hits that would have happened. I'm all for ditching the rof bonus & evening the playing field.
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game Dark Taboo 243	Posted - 2014.08.02 18:51:00 - [20] - Quote buzzzzzzz killllllllll wrote: just reduce the price before you start bitching please. ads is way to expensive to be "balanced" correctly, as making it easy to kill while being expensive would be unfair to players without pc funding. however, ads are currently a bit too difficult to kill with only 1-2 av players, which makes them an unequal force modifier. however, this is mostly due to the unbalanced afterburner, which can get you out of harms way instantly, and has almost no cooldown. my suggested solution to this is reduce ads hull price to maybe 100k, which is still more than tanks, then increase afterburner cooldown to maybe 30 seconds, and also fix the broken skill stacking too difficult to land a shot each with a forge gun? What are you drunk when you try to fire? I can down a dropship on my own, 2 people will kill it without doubt, lol.

Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11461	Posted - 2014.08.02 18:53:00 - [21] - Quote Yes, I have piloted them. And while I didn't develop my abilities to the point where I can call myself a good dropship pilot, I can see than anyone with dedication can wreck ****. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
S-PANZA Expert Intervention Caldari State 29	Posted - 2014.08.02 19:28:00 - [22] - Quote What I gathered from the video is that ADS are not UP. To be able to demonstrate there is a rendering problem by hovering over a rooftop and take three voleys of swarms , only to be left(?) with 700 HP and then say that thats when he had to run or be killed is not UP. There is a rendering problem but even so to suggest that an ADS should be able to see the AVer before the AVer sees the ADS is not realistic... AV = Approx. 6-9 ft. tall, quietly blends into terrain. ADS = flying tank making noise . Who should spot who first. Unless the ADS has "eagle eyes" my money is on the AVer. ADS are not UP. Ive said it before, ADS needs an ISK price reduction and collision damage improved.
OP FOTM Commando Perkone Caldari State 276	Posted - 2014.08.02 19:42:00 - [23] - Quote S-PANZA wrote: What I gathered from the video is that ADS are not UP. To be able to demonstrate there is a rendering problem by hovering over a rooftop and take three voleys of swarms , only to be left(?) with 700 HP and then say that thats when he had to run or be killed is not UP. There is a rendering problem but even so to suggest that an ADS should be able to see the AVer before the AVer sees the ADS is not realistic... AV = Approx. 6-9 ft. tall, quietly blends into terrain. ADS = flying tank making noise . Who should spot who first. Unless the ADS has "eagle eyes" my money is on the AVer. ADS are not UP. Ive said it before, ADS needs an ISK price reduction and collision damage improved. That's bullshit. You're ignoring the invisible swarms, the absence of a hit marker that makes it so the ADS has no idea where the shots are coming from... Judge has even proven that the giant blue shiny forge gun glow, WHICH IS THERE FOR A REASON, cannot be seen by a dropship. YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO SEE THE FORGE GUN GLOW. Dust servers will be a ghost town on 09/09/14 Destiny kicks ass... Like Halo knocked up Mass Effect and gave birth
S-PANZA Expert Intervention Caldari State 29	Posted - 2014.08.02 19:48:00 - [24] - Quote OP FOTM wrote: S-PANZA wrote: What I gathered from the video is that ADS are not UP. To be able to demonstrate there is a rendering problem by hovering over a rooftop and take three voleys of swarms , only to be left(?) with 700 HP and then say that thats when he had to run or be killed is not UP. There is a rendering problem but even so to suggest that an ADS should be able to see the AVer before the AVer sees the ADS is not realistic... AV = Approx. 6-9 ft. tall, quietly blends into terrain. ADS = flying tank making noise . Who should spot who first. Unless the ADS has "eagle eyes" my money is on the AVer. ADS are not UP. Ive said it before, ADS needs an ISK price reduction and collision damage improved. That's bullshit. You're ignoring the invisible swarms, the absence of a hit marker that makes it so the ADS has no idea where the shots are coming from... Judge has even proven that the giant blue shiny forge gun glow, WHICH IS THERE FOR A REASON, cannot be seen by a dropship. YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO SEE THE FORGE GUN GLOW. Thats a rendering problem. Ive already stated there is a rendering problem . It should be addressed but that doesnt mean that ADS are UP.
OP FOTM Commando Perkone Caldari State 277	Posted - 2014.08.02 19:49:00 - [25] - Quote lets face it CCP is UP... or OP... or whichever one of those has a more negative connotation... Dust servers will be a ghost town on 09/09/14 Destiny kicks ass... Like Halo knocked up Mass Effect and gave birth
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 1129	Posted - 2014.08.02 21:03:00 - [26] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: buzzzzzzz killllllllll wrote: just reduce the price before you start bitching please. ads is way to expensive to be "balanced" correctly, as making it easy to kill while being expensive would be unfair to players without pc funding. however, ads are currently a bit too difficult to kill with only 1-2 av players, which makes them an unequal force modifier. however, this is mostly due to the unbalanced afterburner, which can get you out of harms way instantly, and has almost no cooldown. my suggested solution to this is reduce ads hull price to maybe 100k, which is still more than tanks, then increase afterburner cooldown to maybe 30 seconds, and also fix the broken skill stacking What are you drunk when you try to fire? I don't know about anyone else, but yes, I am drunk when I try to fire. And strangely enough, I shoot better! Tanks - Balancing Turrets
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3669	Posted - 2014.08.02 21:08:00 - [27] - Quote ADS - The only decent vehicle left in the game Has enough HP to take some damage, has the AB to burn away to safety, can be useful in PC if the pilot is very good, the main weapon is useful, powerful and accurate depending on pilot
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7973	Posted - 2014.08.02 22:06:00 - [28] - Quote S-PANZA wrote: collision damage improved. Specifically for the Python. I can land softly on a building with my Python and get into Armor (????), but I could crash into a building with my Incubus and still be in Shields. King Thunderbolt is my number one fan.
ROMULUS H3X research lab 132	Posted - 2014.08.02 22:14:00 - [29] - Quote Atiim wrote: So what if I were to link videos of Sir Snugglez tearing $#!t up in PC? Or videos of DUST Fiend killing a tank in seconds? Would that suffice as evidence to show that ADSs are OP? By your logic, yes it would. These are all videos without a decent forger on the field. FORGE/FLAYLOCK/FISTS--NUFF SED YOU SHALL NOT CATCH ME FOR I AM THE GINGERBREAD FATMAN -Romulus H3X
Seigfried Warheit Opus Arcana 346	Posted - 2014.08.02 22:24:00 - [30] - Quote I expect a disgusting amount of QQ posts when they get the hp buff I use a DS to hump things...... I am a prof. V scrub. I have no honor. c[_] Change spare change anyone

Zindorak 1.U.P 226	Posted - 2014.08.02 22:31:00 - [31] - Quote +1 I hope Forge Guns and Swarms get nerfed to poop. Im tired of wasting 1 mil on ADS Master of the Scrambler Pistol. Carthum Assault ScP <3
Temias Mercurial Knights Of Ender RISE of LEGION 143	Posted - 2014.08.02 23:05:00 - [32] - Quote buzzzzzzz killllllllll wrote: just reduce the price before you start bitching please. ads is way to expensive to be "balanced" correctly, as making it easy to kill while being expensive would be unfair to players without pc funding. however, ads are currently a bit too difficult to kill with only 1-2 av players, which makes them an unequal force modifier. however, this is mostly due to the unbalanced afterburner, which can get you out of harms way instantly, and has almost no cooldown. my suggested solution to this is reduce ads hull price to maybe 100k, which is still more than tanks, then increase afterburner cooldown to maybe 30 seconds, and also fix the broken skill stacking There's nothing unbalanced about the afterbuner with how easy it is to get downed by a single swarm launcher or forge gunner. Sticking around for more than a second a such a slow speed guarantees your own death, so that's why you absolutely need an afterburner. My apologies if I come off as an elitist, but I try to view things objectively, logically, and factually.


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