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Buwaro Draemon
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Posted - 2014.08.02 03:45:00 -
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Don't nerf the Assault Dropship
Do not buff the Assault Dropship
Only give us a price reduction for the hull and we are happy.
And for all of you complaining "We are too squishy!"
Just be happy you have the ADS.
Also something with capable fire power and agility shouldn't have high overall eHP
Just be glad you have it.
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Dropship's shouldn't even have had that frontal turret in the first place to begin with. It was added as a temporary replacement for all of us asking for our jets. But it seems we aren't getting them any time soon and the ADS is being used more for Attacking rather than support.
Even if the Assault Dropships has it's name "ASSAULT" it straightens to far away from the Dropship's original purpose which is troop transport.
Bethhy wrote:Dropships need a re-concept. They work completely assbackwards.
They have made dropships roaming slayer vehicles that are based on hit and run tactics.
Dropships where supposed to be mobile troop transport vehicles and Mobile spawn platforms. This would improve the entire gameplay of DUST as you can have more mobile spawn platforms that allow the red-lining to be less of an issue. aswell as moving entire teams out of the red-line to more competitive parts of the map.
Dropship pilots where supposed to get rewarded for picking up troops from a captured point then moving them quick. Keeping the battlefield continuously exciting and evolving.. Instead of the constant stale mates that happen now.
Dropships where supposed to be that static sight in the sky that give full time legitimacy to full time AV mercenaries.. Allowing something they can engage always.. But with the Straight up burst alpha damage that dropships have today and with the lack of any meaningful defense to sit there and provide support to troops, or not being able to have a meaningful gunfire exchange with AV specialists before having to completely run for your life. We have made dropships into fighters essentially.
The entire purpose of tank modules on the dropship was to allow them to stay in the air and have some persistence... Not to give Turrets on Dropships extreme killing potential and be forced to have dropships paper thin to balance it. It's assbackwards concept and makes no sense.
The only thing to compensate for the Assault Dropships is that they are a glasscannon. Make them any more resistant to AV and you'll have un-killable air machines that desemate both infantry and vehicles in seconds (I'm looking at you Python with XT1's!)
Even today, if you are in a squad and using the ADS and take a Forge round or Swarm volley, you can just hit your afterburner and shoot straight up to the flight ceiling where nothing can harm you (except Null Cannon missles... if you get in their way) while you order your squad to hunt down the threat.
And when the price reduction comes and the HP buff arrives, I can tell you all that we will see far more ADS in the sky than now.
Infantry will call for a nerf. And CCP always hits hard with the nerf.
TL;DR
Reduce price only for the ADS without touching it's eHP
It's a glasscannon so it's supposed to hit hard but be weak
If (when) the HP buff and price reduction comes more ADS will plague the sky with will make infantry call out for a nerf
Dropship's are to supposed to be for troop transportaion while the ADS was supposed to be for support but it is being used as a primary form of Anti-Infantry and Ant-Vehicle
Maxed out Python skill plus XT1 missiles can decimate anything in seconds
I am also a ADS pilot. But I don't want to see them turn out to be the most hated vehicle in the game post-charlie.
If you are a scout and you only use EWAR then you have my salutes o7
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Buwaro Draemon
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Posted - 2014.08.02 03:49:00 -
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Also can someone point me to a Gallente FW chatroom?
Thanks 
If you are a scout and you only use EWAR then you have my salutes o7
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Buwaro Draemon
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Final Resolution.
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Posted - 2014.08.02 04:13:00 -
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Miokai Zahou wrote:No the buff is needed unless:
- python hit collision is fixed
- rendering is fixed
- invisible forge bug is fixed
- invisible swarms are fixed
- increase to power grid
Until then gtfo a buff is needed.
I don't need the buff to perform well.
And invisible swarms aren't that big of a problem to me. They have locked on to you. if they are coming from behind, you'll never see them. The only way to escape them is by flying away from them. This excuse would have an arguement if Swarms were dumbfired but they aren't. Once a swarm locks in. You can only escape the by flying away.
Do I agree it needs fixing. It's not really an excuse.
Invisible forge I agree. And it can be fixed. But this doesn't justify the buff.
We ADS are a glasscannon. We are not meant to soak up damage like HAVs do.
If you are a scout and you only use EWAR then you have my salutes o7
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Buwaro Draemon
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Final Resolution.
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Posted - 2014.08.02 04:14:00 -
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Atiim wrote:How dare you suggest that I shouldn't have high HP, DPS, and Speed?!
Have you forgotten that there needs to be at least one crutch in DUST 514 at all times?
This should be every brick tanked scouts slogan!
If you are a scout and you only use EWAR then you have my salutes o7
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Buwaro Draemon
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Posted - 2014.08.02 04:38:00 -
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Quasar Storm wrote:ADS are fine. I fly them regularly. If you kill an ADS easy, Its because most likely the pilot is an idiot. If you don't wipe the ADS out easy or at all, Its because the pilot is good.
They have their counters & every pilot has many things to worry about in the air.
As far as Rendering & Invisible Forges/Swarms & Collision -- They are my only concern.
But still yet whether those problems persist or not, It will not really effect my overall performance. Will I feel more at ease with those problems fixed? Yes, However, They are not serious changes as to DMG -- CPU/PG output are more sensitive to the game.
Remember that the proto Swarm is getting a nerf. So that makes it even more easier for ADS!
It's like 1.7 all over again.
If you are a scout and you only use EWAR then you have my salutes o7
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Buwaro Draemon
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Final Resolution.
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Posted - 2014.08.02 05:01:00 -
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Seriously? No ones knows a Gallente FW channel? :c
If you are a scout and you only use EWAR then you have my salutes o7
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Buwaro Draemon
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Final Resolution.
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Posted - 2014.08.02 05:28:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Buwaro Draemon wrote:
If (when) the HP buff and price reduction comes more ADS will plague the sky with will make infantry call out for a nerf
<--------------- First in queue (unless Atiim beats me to it) Please pilots, do charge my Pro(5) Proto Swarms and OHK me; the clearer the imbalance the better. But thank you for your honesty, OP ... you're a rare breed of Pilot. AV guys gave the Devs a ton of feedback along the same lines; they weren't interested; maybe they know something we don't. 1.7 Part Deux, presumably brought to you by CPM Judge Rhadafabulous
Because I seek balance. Not the type of person that asks for more HO when they die easily.
The real problem for the ADS is that is is way too pricey. Now CCP is adding this HP buff to it and nerfing down the proto Swarm.
Not a smart move. When this happens ADSs will plague the skies. Infantry will call for a nerf. And the nerf will hit hard.
If you are a scout and you only use EWAR then you have my salutes o7
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Buwaro Draemon
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Final Resolution.
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Posted - 2014.08.02 06:31:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Derrith Erador wrote:
But in all honesty, I would be in favor of an increase to afterburner recharge, if all the numbers I saw weren't ridiculous in my eyes (I can't really put a definite number on the recharge).
How about 35/30/25/20s?
Make it 30 seconds. Like the Fuel Injector.
If you are a scout and you only use EWAR then you have my salutes o7
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Buwaro Draemon
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Final Resolution.
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Posted - 2014.08.02 07:01:00 -
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Operative 1125 Lokaas wrote:Buwaro Draemon wrote:Don't nerf the Assault Dropship Do not buff the Assault Dropship Only give us a price reduction for the hull and we are happy. And for all of you complaining "We are too squishy!" Just be happy you have the ADS. Also something with capable fire power and agility shouldn't have high overall eHP Just be glad you have it. Dropship's shouldn't even have had that frontal turret in the first place to begin with. It was added as a temporary replacement for all of us asking for our jets. But it seems we aren't getting them any time soon and the ADS is being used more for Attacking rather than support. Even if the Assault Dropships has it's name "ASSAULT" it straightens to far away from the Dropship's original purpose which is troop transport. Bethhy wrote:Dropships need a re-concept. They work completely assbackwards.
They have made dropships roaming slayer vehicles that are based on hit and run tactics.
Dropships where supposed to be mobile troop transport vehicles and Mobile spawn platforms. This would improve the entire gameplay of DUST as you can have more mobile spawn platforms that allow the red-lining to be less of an issue. aswell as moving entire teams out of the red-line to more competitive parts of the map.
Dropship pilots where supposed to get rewarded for picking up troops from a captured point then moving them quick. Keeping the battlefield continuously exciting and evolving.. Instead of the constant stale mates that happen now.
Dropships where supposed to be that static sight in the sky that give full time legitimacy to full time AV mercenaries.. Allowing something they can engage always.. But with the Straight up burst alpha damage that dropships have today and with the lack of any meaningful defense to sit there and provide support to troops, or not being able to have a meaningful gunfire exchange with AV specialists before having to completely run for your life. We have made dropships into fighters essentially.
The entire purpose of tank modules on the dropship was to allow them to stay in the air and have some persistence... Not to give Turrets on Dropships extreme killing potential and be forced to have dropships paper thin to balance it. It's assbackwards concept and makes no sense. The only thing to compensate for the Assault Dropships is that they are a glasscannon. Make them any more resistant to AV and you'll have un-killable air machines that desemate both infantry and vehicles in seconds (I'm looking at you Python with XT1's!) Even today, if you are in a squad and using the ADS and take a Forge round or Swarm volley, you can just hit your afterburner and shoot straight up to the flight ceiling where nothing can harm you (except Null Cannon missles... if you get in their way) while you order your squad to hunt down the threat. And when the price reduction comes and the HP buff arrives, I can tell you all that we will see far more ADS in the sky than now. Infantry will call for a nerf. And CCP always hits hard with the nerf. TL;DR Reduce price only for the ADS without touching it's eHP
It's a glasscannon so it's supposed to hit hard but be weak
If (when) the HP buff and price reduction comes more ADS will plague the sky with will make infantry call out for a nerf
Dropship's are to supposed to be for troop transportaion while the ADS was supposed to be for support but it is being used as a primary form of Anti-Infantry and Ant-Vehicle
Maxed out Python skill plus XT1 missiles can decimate anything in seconds
I am also a ADS pilot. But I don't want to see them turn out to be the most hated vehicle in the game post-charlie. Choppers don't have weapons? Only jets? Dropship is a chopper.
I said that the ADS was added because the pilots of Dust 514 wanted jets. But the maps are too small for having fast jets so CCP made the ADS to temporarily fill that gap.
If anything, the ADS acts more like a one-man Attack Helicopter.
If you are a scout and you only use EWAR then you have my salutes o7
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Buwaro Draemon
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Final Resolution.
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Posted - 2014.08.03 21:59:00 -
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And seriously. No Gallente FW channel!?
If you are a scout and you only use EWAR then you have my salutes o7
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Buwaro Draemon
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Posted - 2014.08.03 22:59:00 -
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Pvt Numnutz wrote:Honesty pythons don't need more shields. They are in a good place now, adding 500 more shields to a python will tip the scales against the fg v dropship engagement. Its good right now but this would give pythons the advantage which it shouldn't have.
My gunner dropship has 2508 shields, 3008 wouldn't be nessasary. Logibro was talking about EM swarms and antidropship swarms, but said they wouldn't be coming with hotfix charlie. Depending on how those worked the dropship might need some extra shields but not before. Solo fit pythons will have an incredible tank with 500 more shields
In my opinion the shield buff shouldn't happen at the same time they are changing swarms. Shouldn't even be considered. Based on how swarms preform after charlie discuss with av players about anti dropship swarms and introduce EM swarms and then consider giving dropships more HP based on that info with some pilot/av input.
This seems like a WAY better approach to this "buff the ADSs HP more than just give them more HP now while you guys wait a month or 2 until we give you the proper tools to counter them"
If you are a scout and you only use EWAR then you have my salutes o7
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Buwaro Draemon
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Posted - 2014.08.09 01:13:00 -
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So the buff still went... I hope the price stayed the same because now we will have more and durable Pythons spamming XT1's like crazy at infantry and vehicles.
Oh, and if they get hit, they can just scurry away with an Afterburner only to return 10 seconds later, rain death, get hit by the slightest of AV, hit afterburner again and get out of reach from all AV in just 5 seconds.
If you are a scout and you only use EWAR then you have my salutes o7
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