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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.07.31 22:02:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Wow, what a compelling, well thought out argument! Your evidence and analysis of said argument are so factual and logical that you must be right! 
I remember a time the "Pr0 l33t Scounts" said Amarr Scout is going to be OP with its initial bonuses. They couldn't have been more wrong.
Coupling NK damage, hacking bonuses, the fastest Stamina recharge rate, and the fastest movement values..... You guys quite frankly don't deserve any more that you already have.
Especially in the case for cloaking modules.
Why the **** do you believe your suit deserves any better bonus to cloaking than any other race?
Answer: You don't.
"We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
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Posted - 2014.07.31 22:22:00 -
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Bormir1r wrote:True Adamance wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Wow, what a compelling, well thought out argument! Your evidence and analysis of said argument are so factual and logical that you must be right! I remember a time the "Pr0 l33t Scounts" said Amarr Scout is going to be OP with its initial bonuses. They couldn't have been more wrong. Coupling NK damage, hacking bonuses, the fastest Stamina recharge rate, and the fastest movement values..... You guys quite frankly don't deserve any more that you already have. Our movement values aren't very significant....seriously; they don't make a difference against high RoF weapons which basically everybody spams. Also the gallente scout get nearly (like a 5% difference) in terms of sprint speed, and movement speed doesn't feel any different either. On top of that we have the lowest eHP, so since movement speed doesn't make up for it we need some eWAR (hacking doesn't really help you fight at all). And NK are usless if you're caught on radar and since we don't have any eWAR makes it pretty easy to scan us.
..... your point?
You already have bonuses that are designed to reflect the characteristic play style of a Minmatar scout.
Let me ask you this? When was the last time a Minmatar ship in EVE was any better or worse at cloaking than any other ship in the game?
Why do you even believe you deserve a bonus at all?
You have two good ones working for you now with the biotics to back them up. Sure you might lack EHP but thats no reason your cloaks should be better than anyone else's.
"We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
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Posted - 2014.07.31 23:46:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:True Adamance wrote:
I remember a time the "Pr0 l33t Scounts" said Amarr Scout is going to be OP with its initial bonuses. They couldn't have been more wrong.
No one said it would be "OP", thats blatant fabrication. Sorry, TA, but I call bullsh!t. We never claimed that the Amarr Scout would be OP. What we did do was pitch alternative bonus ideas at you guys, none of which were deemed good enough for your golden boy. If you don't like what you ended up with, then you guys should've come up with something better ... instead of moaning and playing the victim. Don't try to pin your failures on us after the fact.
@ Minmatar Bonus We'll need a week or two of Charlie to determine whether or not the Minmatar Scout remains last-in-class. The knife damage bonus and hack bonus are both significant. Excellent stamina, movement and slot layouts also work to the suit's advantage. The suit has been historically plagued by PG restrictions, but this factor will likely be less at issue post-Charlie. In earlier balance discussions, Minja figureheads insisted that they retain all existing perks. My primary concern is that adding this active dampening bonus (which is a great idea, by the way) atop existing bonuses would return a Scout that is head and shoulders better than the others. Scouts are trying hard to do away with their current FotM status; we do not want to create another.
Very distinctly remember you guys stoicly defending keeping the Amarr bonus as an MLT Cardiac Regulator and refusing to acknowledge the imbalances and allow us to pitch a STD or ADV regulator.
"We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
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Posted - 2014.08.01 00:49:00 -
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Cass Caul wrote:Fairly certain True is specifically speaking about how most scouts, myself included, were against giving the Amarr Scout a bonus of 20% per level to stamina and stamina recovery instead of a 5% bonus.
You, Shotty, are talking about our suggestions we collected after the hot-fixes started.
I think we even suggested 7.5-10%...somewhere in the region to make the scout bonus viable....it was swiftly struck down.
"We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
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Posted - 2014.08.04 04:52:00 -
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I actively petition CCP to give whining Min Scouts the Precision Bonus.
I'll take that hacking bonus off of your hands!
"We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
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Posted - 2014.08.07 02:25:00 -
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bogeyman m wrote:I strongly feel that passive bonuses need to be balanced (but not the same) across all scout races first... Then active bonuses can be considered. Passives should all be ewar related (since that is what makes a scout a scout).
700 years of oppression is enough! Equal rights for Minmatar!!!
You could have had those equal right if you had just accepted what we were trying to teach you instead of rebelling. Your people are going to languish under our rule for a millennia or more for the mistakes of your ancestors....... if only you had listened and not shut your eyes.
"We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
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Posted - 2014.08.07 03:25:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:True Adamance wrote:bogeyman m wrote:I strongly feel that passive bonuses need to be balanced (but not the same) across all scout races first... Then active bonuses can be considered. Passives should all be ewar related (since that is what makes a scout a scout).
700 years of oppression is enough! Equal rights for Minmatar!!! You could have had those equal right if you had just accepted what we were trying to teach you instead of rebelling. Your people are going to languish under our rule for a millennia or more for the mistakes of your ancestors....... if only you had listened and not shut your eyes. Silly Amarr. Always thinking that Stockholm Syndrome is better than actual freedom...
Peace, Unity, and Equality are worth the sacrifice.
"We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
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