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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.31 16:23:00 -
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Wow, what a compelling, well thought out argument!
Your evidence and analysis of said argument are so factual and logical that you must be right!
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
1783
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Posted - 2014.07.31 22:41:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Wow, what a compelling, well thought out argument! Your evidence and analysis of said argument are so factual and logical that you must be right! I remember a time the "Pr0 l33t Scounts" said Amarr Scout is going to be OP with its initial bonuses. They couldn't have been more wrong. Coupling NK damage, hacking bonuses, the fastest Stamina recharge rate, and the fastest movement values..... You guys quite frankly don't deserve any more that you already have. Especially in the case for cloaking modules. Why the **** do you believe your suit deserves any better bonus to cloaking than any other race? Answer: You don't. No one said it would be "OP", thats blatant fabrication.
Fast move values=sh!t with the largest hit box of all scouts.
Am get eWAR next patch, why not minmitar?
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
1794
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Posted - 2014.08.01 15:10:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:True Adamance wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Wow, what a compelling, well thought out argument! Your evidence and analysis of said argument are so factual and logical that you must be right! I remember a time the "Pr0 l33t Scounts" said Amarr Scout is going to be OP with its initial bonuses. They couldn't have been more wrong. Coupling NK damage, hacking bonuses, the fastest Stamina recharge rate, and the fastest movement values..... You guys quite frankly don't deserve any more that you already have. Especially in the case for cloaking modules. Why the **** do you believe your suit deserves any better bonus to cloaking than any other race? Answer: You don't. No one said it would be "OP", thats blatant fabrication. Fast move values=sh!t with the largest hit box of all scouts. Am get eWAR next patch, why not minmitar? Because you had a defined role already And we can't play that role because code breakers are staying as low slots....all the active dampening bonus does, if you look at scan tables, is free up one extra low slot, at the expense of being pinged by am scouts when our cloak runs out, or being pinged by a gallogi focused while the cloak is running.
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ
Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
1794
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Posted - 2014.08.01 15:29:00 -
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I just want to point out right now that even with the NK buffs, the min scout will still be behind every other scout on the field.
Lets examine why.
NK loses to SG every time, unless SGer is terribad.
Codebreakers remain low slots as well as dampeners and kin cats. As a minja post-charlie, it will be a requirement of at least 2 low slots dedicated to dampeners AND a proto cloak active to dodge amarr passives. However, we will still be scanned by gallogis. Therefore, we can't take advantage of our abilities.
We remain blind in relation to all other scouts (gal and am get precision, cal gets range).
NK is a suicide AV tool as it will kill the user every time.
To NK, i personally find that running under 10 m/s is not going to get the job done, simply because of how much you have to run away or raptor attack people or get close behind them. However, to run above 10 m/s next patch, we won't be able to dampen, and with shared passives, everyone will see us, making our job impossible.
Our objective hacking will be too slow to ninja points because we can only fit one codebreaker, and the letter blinks once we start hacking, so everyone would know where we are, and will be able to track and kill us. If we fit > one codebreaker, were screwed because they see us before we head to the terminal.
Cloak active dampening bonus fixes all of these, while giving us a huge achilles heel as well--once the cloak wears off, we are very easily scanned by everything, so it adds a much larger dynamic to the ultimate hit-and-tun guerrilla warfare assassin that all minjas aim to be.
Please consider the implications of not adding this bonus.
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ
Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.02 03:05:00 -
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501st Headstrong wrote:The frickin make Codebreakers High Slots. That shiznit is ridiculous. How can I hack a point with Codebreakers when you Cal, Gal, and now Amarr scouts can see me coming? I can't. Codebreakers in highs allow me to damp, and hack quickly, making it a hit and run. I can't run if you know where I'm going.
CCP Rattati I implore you to make Codebreakers High Slot modules Unfortuneltly there was technical difficulties, making this impossible.
While i understand everyone on here's arguments against, I ask, why not?
How would this make the suit overpowered in any way shape or form?
How does it not contribute to a "hit-and-run" style ninja?
EDIT: Bor, i like the sig change
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ
Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
1805
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Posted - 2014.08.02 12:21:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: 1. I just want to point out right now that even with the NK buffs, the min scout will still be behind every other scout on the field.
2. NK loses to SG every time, unless SGer is terribad.
3. Codebreakers remain low slots as well as dampeners and kin cats. As a minja post-charlie, it will be a requirement of at least 2 low slots dedicated to dampeners AND a proto cloak active to dodge amarr passives. However, we will still be scanned by gallogis. Therefore, we can't take advantage of our abilities.
4. We remain blind in relation to all other scouts (gal and am get precision, cal gets range).
5. NK is a suicide AV tool as it will kill the user every time.
6. To NK, i personally find that running under 10 m/s is not going to get the job done, simply because of how much you have to run away or raptor attack people or get close behind them. However, to run above 10 m/s next patch, we won't be able to dampen, and with shared passives, everyone will see us, making our job impossible.
7. Our objective hacking will be too slow to ninja points because we can only fit one codebreaker, and the letter blinks once we start hacking, so everyone would know where we are, and will be able to track and kill us. If we fit > one codebreaker, were screwed because they see us before we head to the terminal.
8. Cloak active dampening bonus fixes all of these, while giving us a huge achilles heel as well--once the cloak wears off, we are very easily scanned by everything, so it adds a much larger dynamic to the ultimate hit-and-tun guerrilla warfare assassin that all minjas aim to be.
9. Please consider the implications of not adding this bonus.
1. You can't possibly know this. 2. Head-to-head, of course the SG wins. But neither weapon is designed for head-to-head engagement. 3. Fair point. CBs should've been moved to Highs. Maybe next build. 4. You also pack the strongest death punch available, Mr Assassin. 5. Point being? 6. Fair point, though "impossible" is a mischaracterization. 7. Switch suits if you need to ninja hack; you can't do everything with one loadout. 8. It also might make you overpowered. Why run anything else if the Minja can do it all? 9. WTF is that supposed to mean? Now you're embarrassing us. Edit: Let's take this one step at a time, Gav. We don't want to over do it. I see where you're coming from shotty, and trust me, i don't want to make the minja OP, i really just want to make it viable.
Ill wait for Charlie, but when it comes out and minja's are the least used and most laughable suit on the field AGAIN, this bonus will need to be added.
Think for a second about what the implications are considering Haerr's scanning table. Now, scans were designed in such a manner that it would take two (2) low slots on each scout at the very least to remain under passives.
Now, with the minmitar scout, they need a cloak as well.
The idea behind the active damps bonus is that it frees up a low slot for the minja's out there by reducing the required damps to dodge passives by one, but maintaining the cloak requirement.
**ALSO: the gallogi focused would be able to scan a single damped cloaked minja**
All this does is allow them to fit more "ninja" modules (kin cats, code breakers) without having to worry as much about removing all of their viability simply to dodge scans.
Every other scout next patch receives some form of electronic sight bonus, therefore, the min should be best at what it was intended as--a speedy ass mofo running around creating havoc and picking off those who strayed away from the pack.
But remember, (and I'm sure we both agree here), a scanned scout is a DEAD scout.
By giving them an active damp bonus, you indirectly buff their speedy and hacking attributes, as all other modules that go in the low slots would just be stupid and hurt the min scout, other than perhaps an armor rep per and ferroscale.
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ
Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
1824
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Posted - 2014.08.03 03:58:00 -
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bumpily bump bump
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ
Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.04 03:05:00 -
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For True: Look at the scan tables. The functionality of this buff is based off of the "scanned scout is a dead scout", meaning that all scouts need to dodge at the very least passive scans. This requires two low slots which eat into the available slots for code breakers and kin cats, making it impossible for the Minja to emphasize its racial advantages because of the lack of slots.
The buff basically takes the scans that the minja dodges (currently-2 damps+cloak dodges passives) and allows them to dodge the passives with one less low slot.
Without cloak, they would be scanned all the same.
This is basically a way to give minja's the extra low slot they need to perform their duties without actually giving them an extra low slot (which would be OP).
QCC?
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ
Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
1853
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Posted - 2014.08.04 21:21:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:I actively petition CCP to give whining Min Scouts the Precision Bonus.
I'll take that hacking bonus off of your hands! Precision on a 3+high slot scout is overpowered and unbalances inter-scout gameplay.
We don't want it. Only gal or am should have it if any.
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ
Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
1865
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Posted - 2014.08.05 18:24:00 -
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Bormir1r wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:True Adamance wrote:I actively petition CCP to give whining Min Scouts the Precision Bonus.
I'll take that hacking bonus off of your hands! Precision on a 3+high slot scout is overpowered and unbalances inter-scout gameplay. We don't want it. Only gal or am should have it if any. EDIT: If we need to lose hacking to become viable, I'm fine with it. All the OG Minja's should agree with me to some extent, as all we used to have was NK damage. And dampening; but we lost our passive damps, and in return we should get active damps on the cloak. True dat^^
Just one damp to get under perm scans, unless they used the focused
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ
Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
1877
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Posted - 2014.08.07 01:39:00 -
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BLOOD Ruler wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:For True: Look at the scan tables. The functionality of this buff is based off of the "scanned scout is a dead scout", meaning that all scouts need to dodge at the very least passive scans. This requires two low slots which eat into the available slots for code breakers and kin cats, making it impossible for the Minja to emphasize its racial advantages because of the lack of slots.
The buff basically takes the scans that the minja dodges (currently-2 damps+cloak dodges passives) and allows them to dodge the passives with one less low slot.
Without cloak, they would be scanned all the same.
This is basically a way to give minja's the extra low slot they need to perform their duties without actually giving them an extra low slot (which would be OP).
QCC? Scanned scout is a dead scout,like a slow scout is a dead scout.My motto You can be as slow as you want if you have a rifle
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ
Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
1995
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Posted - 2014.08.11 04:30:00 -
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eh
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ
Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
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