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SponkSponkSponk The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 966	Posted - 2014.07.31 05:11:00 - [1] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: SponkSponkSponk wrote: Any news on when the Minmatar bonus to explosive weapons will be returned? I don't know what that means. Assault suit bonuses were changed to: - Amarr: 5%/level heat buildup bonus (roughly equivalent to the bonus of Scrambler Rifle Operation) - Caldari: 5%/level faster reload (souped-up version of Rail Rifle Rapid Reload) - Gallente: less hip fire dispersion for blasters (roughly equivalent to the bonus of Assault Rifle Sharpshooter) - Minmatar: 5% extra magazine size for projectile weapons per level (.........) Minmatar were also slated to get a bonus to explosive weapons, since they have two racial types, but it was cut, leaving explosive weapons as the only weapons without a medium frame bonus (note that Minmatar Commandos have bonuses to both projectile and explosive) I propose: Minmatar Assault bonus changed to +5% magazine capacity to light and sidearm projectile weapons (same as now) +5% blast radius to light and sidearm explosive weapons Why +5% blast radius? Because this is exactly the same bonus as Mass Driver Operation and Flaylock Pistol Operation skills provide, which is in line with the power of the other races' bonuses. Plus, it doesn't provide more raw DPS but does enhance the racial weapons, which seems to be the theme for assault suits. Thoughts? Dust/Eve transfers
Kaughst Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 556	Posted - 2014.07.31 05:41:00 - [2] - Quote At the moment I have a Assault MD, Assault Gal suit with 3 PRO dam mods. But with the new update we will get 7% so even better. Now this weapon,Assault MD, is the epitome of a spam weapon. If you want to make it so the Min Assault gets 11+ shots with these new amazing damage mods I found my new OP suit and I am all for it. "The road to hell is paved with good intentions."
Atiim Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11124	Posted - 2014.07.31 05:48:00 - [3] - Quote Kaughst wrote: At the moment I have a Assault MD, Assault Gal suit with 3 PRO dam mods. But with the new update we will get 7% so even better. Now this weapon,Assault MD, is the epitome of a spam weapon. If you want to make it so the Min Assault gets 11+ shots with these new amazing damage mods I found my new OP suit and I am all for it. A clip increase to the Assault Mass Driver would only increase your ability to sustain fire, which is something that the Assault bonuses should be doing. Considering how it wouldn't change the actual DPS, it wouldn't be any more OP than the Matari Commando with Assault MDs. You know, the ones who can have a 16 Round clip if they so desire as well as a 10% Damage Increase. -HAND
SponkSponkSponk The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 966	Posted - 2014.07.31 06:02:00 - [4] - Quote Kaughst wrote: At the moment I have a Assault MD, Assault Gal suit with 3 PRO dam mods. But with the new update we will get 7% so even better. Now this weapon,Assault MD, is the epitome of a spam weapon. If you want to make it so the Min Assault gets 11+ shots with these new amazing damage mods I found my new OP suit and I am all for it. did you not read the post at all. Dust/Eve transfers
Fizzer XCIV Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 26	Posted - 2014.07.31 13:15:00 - [5] - Quote SponkSponkSponk wrote: Garbage People stuff. The Minmatar aren't the only ones to use explosive weapons. The Amarr and Caldari both make use of explosives as well. The Gallente do as well, but I feel like a bonus to drones would make more sense for them... even though we don't have any drones.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 987	Posted - 2014.07.31 13:51:00 - [6] - Quote What you suggest might just get people to use the Flaylock again but that's prob why their going to look at side arms next . I like what you proposed and I wouldn't have a problem with it , I use min assaults though not that often but I'm starting to so I don't know . I have Mass drivers and just don't use them just like I just started using Rail rifles and Combat rifles even though I have them at level 4 . Hell I thought that the bonuses to nano's for the Caldari logi would include injectors but it doesn't and if it did I prob wouldn't have gone with the Min logi and used my own races logi but anyway . It's a good thought and I don't see it as OP or game breaking . It would make Minmatar the anti-vehicle race and I wouldn't mind that seeing as how I have more spent in Minmatar than I do my own race of Caldari . You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 193	Posted - 2014.07.31 15:43:00 - [7] - Quote i have a caldari alt in assault suit.. the reload speed is useless would prefer 5% ammo capacity Logibro in training. Weapon Damage Profiles Quick List
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 988	Posted - 2014.07.31 18:41:00 - [8] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: i have a caldari alt in assault suit.. the reload speed is useless would prefer 5% ammo capacity Yes that does sound better or the actual per round ammo to prolong firing and decreasing the time needed to re-load . There were so many ways that their bonus could have went , I would have liked it to go to the longevity of the combatant like shield efficacy , reduced de-pleated shield time , charger, energizer and regulator rate increase or efficacy bonus .. hell I would have liked a one hit point per second armor repair rate . People are narrow minded like talking about dual tanking a Caldari , if someone wants to armor tank a Caldari why not .??.. people don't complain about Gal Sentinel's or Commando's using kin cats . Thinking outside of the box or to give one the ability to , creates interest and make the game more attractive and repeat playable . You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.
Atiim Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11137	Posted - 2014.07.31 18:44:00 - [9] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: SponkSponkSponk wrote: Garbage People stuff. The Minmatar aren't the only ones to use explosive weapons. The Amarr and Caldari both make use of explosives as well. The Gallente do as well, but I feel like a bonus to drones would make more sense for them... even though we don't have any drones. Besides Swarm Launchers, do you see any non-Matari explosives? This is DUST 514. -HAND
Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 3743	Posted - 2014.07.31 19:16:00 - [10] - Quote A larger radius...so you want it to have over 10 meters on the assault? "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire

Boot Booter Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dark Taboo 804	Posted - 2014.07.31 19:41:00 - [11] - Quote We should just maintain the % based bonus that we have for projectile weapons and extend it to explosive weapons. The +1 per level was a bit much (think about 13 round assault MD or an 8 round flaylock). Also this should not include Swarms as technically they are missile and Caldari. Result of +5% to explosive weapon clip at lvl 5 Mass driver - 8 round clip Assault Mass driver - 10 round clip Flaylock - 4 round clip What happened to the repair tool glow? Why won't CCP answer? Conspiracy?
SponkSponkSponk The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 973	Posted - 2014.07.31 22:28:00 - [12] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: A larger radius...so you want it to have over 10 meters on the assault? Is that such a bad thing? Especially in comparison with the minmatar projectile bonus, or the amarr laser bonus? It doesn't even affect the direct hit damage anyway. Dust/Eve transfers
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 12441	Posted - 2014.07.31 22:38:00 - [13] - Quote No "ALSO" but I believe it should have a bonus too explosive damage type weapons including Grenades, MD, and Flay Locks. "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
Larry Desmo Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 74	Posted - 2014.07.31 23:38:00 - [14] - Quote i think a bonus to explosives should go on the min scout rather than the knivez (a caldari weapon) and hacking ability (should be a logi exlusive ability)
SponkSponkSponk The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 976	Posted - 2014.07.31 23:45:00 - [15] - Quote Atiim wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: The Minmatar aren't the only ones to use explosive weapons. The Amarr and Caldari both make use of explosives as well. The Gallente do as well, but I feel like a bonus to drones would make more sense for them... even though we don't have any drones. Besides Swarm Launchers, do you see any non-Matari explosives? Looks like many people can't tell the difference between light and sidearm weapons with the explosive damage type, and the equipmentcalled Remote Explosives. Dust/Eve transfers
Fizzer XCIV Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 28	Posted - 2014.07.31 23:46:00 - [16] - Quote Atiim wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: SponkSponkSponk wrote: Garbage People stuff. The Minmatar aren't the only ones to use explosive weapons. The Amarr and Caldari both make use of explosives as well. The Gallente do as well, but I feel like a bonus to drones would make more sense for them... even though we don't have any drones. Besides Swarm Launchers, do you see any non-Matari explosives? This is DUST 514. Maybe if CCP didn't screw the Amarr over as far as weapon variety is concerned, we would have an Amarr explosive weapon. After all these YEARS, there is still only 3 Amarrian weapons, and no grenade.
SponkSponkSponk The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 976	Posted - 2014.07.31 23:47:00 - [17] - Quote True Adamance wrote: No "ALSO" but I believe it should have a bonus too(sic) explosive damage type weapons including Grenades[...] IMO there's not enough grenade damage types to give racial bonuses to grenades. Plus, they kinda do different things than racial rifles. Dust/Eve transfers
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2599	Posted - 2014.07.31 23:48:00 - [18] - Quote Bonus should be applied per the race of the weapon, not the damage type.
Kaughst Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 560	Posted - 2014.08.01 02:37:00 - [19] - Quote Atiim wrote: Kaughst wrote: At the moment I have a Assault MD, Assault Gal suit with 3 PRO dam mods. But with the new update we will get 7% so even better. Now this weapon,Assault MD, is the epitome of a spam weapon. If you want to make it so the Min Assault gets 11+ shots with these new amazing damage mods I found my new OP suit and I am all for it. A clip increase to the Assault Mass Driver would only increase your ability to sustain fire, which is something that the Assault bonuses should be doing. Considering how it wouldn't change the actual DPS, it wouldn't be any more OP than the Matari Commando with Assault MDs. You know, the ones who can have a 16 Round clip if they so desire as well as a 10% Damage Increase. I never said anything about DPS. This is a spam weapon, giving a 11+ clip to Min assault only extends it being a spam weapon to the Assault class. To say this weapon is any less than that is bull. I am not for it, there is a reason they removed it from the Assault class in the first place. "The road to hell is paved with good intentions."
SponkSponkSponk The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 978	Posted - 2014.08.03 13:24:00 - [20] - Quote The reason they removed it from the assault class was that the bonus it provided was way out of kilter with the +5%/level bonuses of other suits. Dust/Eve transfers

Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1594	Posted - 2014.08.03 15:00:00 - [21] - Quote OP I love how you point out both the Cal and Gal assault bonuses as being reasonable when they are both horrible. The Minmatar bonus is not Earth shartteringly good for sure but it is far better than these two which really don't help the suits in their role at all. I always thought that the Min bonus was pretty solid actually and that the suits weren't used because they are too squishy. Would increasing the Min assault's damage dealing ability actually increase its usefulness? I still think it will go down to fast to apply damage even this additional bonus. Really the assault bonuses need to be altered to do two things: 1) apply damage (which this does) 2) increase survivability (which I see as the current problem with Min assaults) Since I haven't played Min assault since chrome though I could very well be wrong. Fun > Realism
SponkSponkSponk The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 978	Posted - 2014.08.04 00:45:00 - [22] - Quote I'm not interested in fixing everything in one fell swoop. I just want to fix this one thing. Dust/Eve transfers
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 235	Posted - 2014.08.04 13:47:00 - [23] - Quote id like to agree but min commando has projectile AND explosive already.. i think the current bonuses are just bad.. Assault suits need a +50% to +100% carried ammo bonus(flat) and a 5% clipsize per level.. then people may actually use assaults over scouts Logibro in training. Weapon Damage Profiles Quick List
Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 261	Posted - 2014.08.15 03:00:00 - [24] - Quote Aren't Minmatar assaults really good already? Stabby-stabber extraordinaire
SponkSponkSponk The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 994	Posted - 2014.08.15 03:31:00 - [25] - Quote Pseudogenesis wrote: Aren't Minmatar assaults really good already? Aren't all assaults? Dust/Eve transfers
Jack 3enimble Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 171	Posted - 2014.08.15 04:49:00 - [26] - Quote My Cal assault would like to have a word with you about assault suits bonus...
SponkSponkSponk The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 995	Posted - 2014.08.15 05:18:00 - [27] - Quote Jack 3enimble wrote: My Cal assault would like to have a word with you about assault suits bonus... You can hop on board then. Ideally, all the suits would get a bonus worth putting SP into. Dust/Eve transfers
Omega Black Zero Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 83	Posted - 2014.08.15 08:50:00 - [28] - Quote I like this idea, and I don't even run Min Assault.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3943	Posted - 2014.08.16 08:11:00 - [29] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: Atiim wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: SponkSponkSponk wrote: Garbage People stuff. The Minmatar aren't the only ones to use explosive weapons. The Amarr and Caldari both make use of explosives as well. The Gallente do as well, but I feel like a bonus to drones would make more sense for them... even though we don't have any drones. Besides Swarm Launchers, do you see any non-Matari explosives? This is DUST 514. Maybe if CCP didn't screw the Amarr over as far as weapon variety is concerned, we would have an Amarr explosive weapon. After all these YEARS, there is still only 3 Amarrian weapons, and no grenade. And there won't be anymore either since development stopped on the game... not much more to say about it really. There's limits to what can be balanced by shifting numbers in a table. Dren&Templar Tragedy.
SponkSponkSponk The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 998	Posted - 2014.08.18 02:17:00 - [30] - Quote Rattati, Logibro, care to comment? Dust/Eve transfers

Fizzer XCIV Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 89	Posted - 2014.08.18 04:17:00 - [31] - Quote By should the Minassault get 2 amazeballs bonuses, while all of the other Assaults only get 1 bonus?
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 12936	Posted - 2014.08.18 04:18:00 - [32] - Quote I'd love to see this but...... in case you didn't know...... Amarr actually have great resists against armour damage on T2 stuff........ "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
SponkSponkSponk The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 998	Posted - 2014.08.18 05:24:00 - [33] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: Why should the Minassault get 2 amazeballs bonuses, while all of the other Assaults only get 1 bonus? Because their weapons are split between two types of damage. It's not as if a min assault can carry around a combat rifle and a mass driver at the same time. Dust/Eve transfers
Fizzer XCIV Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 91	Posted - 2014.08.18 05:29:00 - [34] - Quote SponkSponkSponk wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: Why should the Minassault get 2 amazeballs bonuses, while all of the other Assaults only get 1 bonus? Because their weapons are split between two types of damage. It's not as if a min assault can carry around a combat rifle and a mass driver at the same time. So, should the Caldari get a bonus to Explosive weaponry as well then? The point here is that you shouldn't get 2 bonuses, regardless of how many weapon types your race of choice uses.
SponkSponkSponk The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 998	Posted - 2014.08.18 05:54:00 - [35] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: So, should the Caldari get a bonus to Explosive weaponry as well then? If you count swarms as a caldari weapon, then yes. Quote: The point here is that you shouldn't get 2 bonuses, regardless of how many weapon types your race of choice uses. So you're saying that the gallente bonus works on all their racial weapons but it's unfair that the minmatar bonus works on all their racial weapons too? That doesn't seem equitable. Dust/Eve transfers


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