DUST Search - Scouts should not be un-scannable

One Eyed King wrote:

Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:

At the current pace there is just not a fair representation of all races because some suits just have better bonuses which leaves other suits rendered useless and when others mention the fact , their thoughts and opinions are simply pushed aside .

You simply can not have balance if two of the four dominate , there needs to be a system in place where all suits of every race can perform and where an oversaturation of one race , like Gal's and Amarr for instance in the heavy role or Min and Gal in the Logistic role ... can be avoided .

You can't call it balanced when you have an oversaturation of one or two races in any role when you have a choice of four and the other two are greatly under-represented .

I abridged your post.

Your point is valid, and that is why the changes in Charlie are what they are. A scanned scout is a dead scout, and charlie allows for all scouts to be unscannable.

Part of the problem is that the changes are so drastic that CCP is afraid of making too many in one go, and rightly so.

More adjustments will come in Delta once we have a chance to mess with Charlie.

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Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 169	Posted - 2014.07.29 15:27:00 - [1] - Quote make active scanners be modified with items to give them more precession so scouts gotta try even harder to not get scanned when not in cloak Logibro in training. Weapon Damage Profiles Quick List
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 2986	Posted - 2014.07.29 16:34:00 - [2] - Quote The Gal Logi with its precision bonus to the active scanner forces all suits to make a significant sacrifice in order to stay un scanned. I think there will be an additional change after Charlie if there are still scout tanking problems, or if any other problems arise that are not foreseen. This is how a minja feels
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 170	Posted - 2014.07.29 16:41:00 - [3] - Quote all im seeing is passive scan changes and nothing about their own dropsuit signiture/scan radious even then a L5 scout with appropriate gear and still be way below what gal-logi can scan with active scanner.. and let us not forget that active scanners need reworking.. as they stand now hardly any one bothers with them unless they are pro-squad of 6 so they can get squad WPs for killing targeted people and iirc active scanner dosnt show for the team just squad so yeah.. very little in the way of use for pubbers due to no WPs when other items can be used insted Logibro in training. Weapon Damage Profiles Quick List
Varoth Drac The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 190	Posted - 2014.07.29 16:54:00 - [4] - Quote After Charlie it will take 2 complex damps plus an active proto cloak on a Caldari or Gallente scout to avoid Gal logi scans. It will take 3 complex damps and an active proto cloak for Minmatar or Amarr scouts. This will leave Caldari and Minmatar proto scouts with 0 free low slots. Amarr will be left with 1, Gallente 2. There is (will be) no point in using a scout suit if you show up on tacnet. Seems fair to me.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 972	Posted - 2014.07.29 17:28:00 - [5] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: After Charlie it will take 2 complex damps plus an active proto cloak on a Caldari or Gallente scout to avoid Gal logi scans. It will take 3 complex damps and an active proto cloak for Minmatar or Amarr scouts. This will leave Caldari and Minmatar proto scouts with 0 free low slots. Amarr will be left with 1, Gallente 2. There is (will be) no point in using a scout suit if you show up on tacnet. Seems fair to me. How is this fair ..??... you have to totally commit to an e-war set up with no self sustainability , no other suit besides a Cal Sentinel or heavies in general have to do so much to gimp themselves to become effective for only one use . Yes you die and can re-spawn but arguably the best two speaking of Gal and Amarr , do not have to do the same . Meaning getting the most out of one use or having to gimp yourself in the regeneration department to become effective . Gal and Amarr suits just do not have to gimp themselves like Cal and Min do on every occasion to perform with some sort of effectiveness . I suggest that Gal suits loose their innate ability to self regenerate or a one HP regeneration bonus is given to the Min and Cal . People always talk about balance but they just can't see the discrepancies in the current set up and how this creates an imbalance and influx of Gal's and Amarr suits . At the current pace there is just not a fair representation of all races because some suits just have better bonuses which leaves other suits rendered useless and when others mention the fact , their thoughts and opinions are simply pushed aside . You simply can not have balance if two of the four dominate , there needs to be a system in place where all suits of every race can perform and where an oversaturation of one race , like Gal's and Amarr for instance in the heavy role or Min and Gal in the Logistic role ... can be avoided . Gallente has representation in every role on the battlefield , seconded by Amarr , third Min and lastly Cal where only their scouts actually play a part or you can use their Sentinels for anti-vehicle as an example but in that case there are other choices like Min Commando or Amarr Logistic can also be used for the same role as well as an Amarr Sentinel and Min as well for forging . I would just like to see a greater representation of all races in all roles and because of the bonuses that are currently in place , that's not happening . You can't call it balanced when you have an oversaturation of one or two races in any role when you have a choice of four and the other two are greatly under-represented . You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.
JRleo jr Xer Cloud Consortium 143	Posted - 2014.07.29 17:32:00 - [6] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: scouts shouldn't be abke to dodge scans because even though it's the only role in the game that should do so, I am reliant on wall hacks so it shouldn't he able to dodge scans. Erm, no, I summed up your post and every other one too. Max level brony. Pink fluffy unicorns http://youtu.be/C34BzC7rnos Best song evar.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 2995	Posted - 2014.07.29 21:19:00 - [7] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: At the current pace there is just not a fair representation of all races because some suits just have better bonuses which leaves other suits rendered useless and when others mention the fact , their thoughts and opinions are simply pushed aside . You simply can not have balance if two of the four dominate , there needs to be a system in place where all suits of every race can perform and where an oversaturation of one race , like Gal's and Amarr for instance in the heavy role or Min and Gal in the Logistic role ... can be avoided . You can't call it balanced when you have an oversaturation of one or two races in any role when you have a choice of four and the other two are greatly under-represented . I abridged your post. Your point is valid, and that is why the changes in Charlie are what they are. A scanned scout is a dead scout, and charlie allows for all scouts to be unscannable. Part of the problem is that the changes are so drastic that CCP is afraid of making too many in one go, and rightly so. More adjustments will come in Delta once we have a chance to mess with Charlie. This is how a minja feels
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 172	Posted - 2014.07.29 21:29:00 - [8] - Quote JRleo jr wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: scouts shouldn't be abke to dodge scans because even though it's the only role in the game that should do so, I am reliant on wall hacks so it shouldn't he able to dodge scans. Erm, no, I summed up your post and every other one too. LOL wallhacks only kids who cant handle dieing use hacks. but my point still stands.. scouts disappear from an active scan almost as soon as they are found due to their tiny signature so it shouldnt make a differance, its just the chance to get that 1 second blip to see something odd makes the difference insted of the current meta of Caldari cloaky scout = godlike Logibro in training. Weapon Damage Profiles Quick List
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 172	Posted - 2014.07.29 21:45:00 - [9] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: At the current pace there is just not a fair representation of all races because some suits just have better bonuses which leaves other suits rendered useless and when others mention the fact , their thoughts and opinions are simply pushed aside . You simply can not have balance if two of the four dominate , there needs to be a system in place where all suits of every race can perform and where an oversaturation of one race , like Gal's and Amarr for instance in the heavy role or Min and Gal in the Logistic role ... can be avoided . You can't call it balanced when you have an oversaturation of one or two races in any role when you have a choice of four and the other two are greatly under-represented . I abridged your post. Your point is valid, and that is why the changes in Charlie are what they are. A scanned scout is a dead scout, and charlie allows for all scouts to be unscannable. Part of the problem is that the changes are so drastic that CCP is afraid of making too many in one go, and rightly so. More adjustments will come in Delta once we have a chance to mess with Charlie. a scanned scout dosnt last long on the TACNET their small sig and skills remove them from TAC much faster then medium or heavys.. and scouts also have their speedy strafeing and jumping(which is the most problematic and which most all of us complain about) so no.. a scanned scout is NOT a dead scout Logibro in training. Weapon Damage Profiles Quick List
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3001	Posted - 2014.07.29 23:27:00 - [10] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: a scanned scout dosnt last long on the TACNET their small sig and skills remove them from TAC much faster then medium or heavys.. What? You are either on or you are not on. There is no in between with current scanning mechanics. The only caveat would be when someone is dampened equal to passive precision of someone else and then activate an adv or proto cloak. This does not work if you are actively scanned prior to cloaking, nor dampened enough that the cloak bonus means anything. And as has already been discussed, Minmatar and Amarr can't beat a Cals max precision and are rendered obsolete as a result. Apothecary Za'ki wrote: and scouts also have their speedy strafeing and jumping(which is the most problematic and which most all of us complain about) so no.. a scanned scout is NOT a dead scout I have about 200 to 250 ehp. Most weapons don't need to get much of a lock on me or have any sort of accuracy to kill me. Besides, you can't out strafe someone that knows you are coming, because anything outside of a meter or two is going to be too great a distance to run faster than they can turn. How many people do you think wait until you are up on them before turning to shoot? Scouts should be masters of flanking and ambushing. The reason you only see tanked scouts is because they are going to be scanned anyways, so they might as well put on enough ehp to get in the straight up fights they are forced into. Shared scanning = HP>all This is how a minja feels

Matticus Monk OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2215	Posted - 2014.07.29 23:40:00 - [11] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: LOL wallhacks only kids who cant handle dieing use hacks. but my point still stands.. scouts disappear from an active scan almost as soon as they are found due to their tiny signature so it shouldnt make a differance, its just the chance to get that 1 second blip to see something odd makes the difference insted of the current meta of Caldari cloaky scout = godlike If this was how it was implemented (1 second visibility for heavily dampened scouts going against the buffest active scanner + Gal Log) I might be able to live with this. But as it will stand in the next hotfix, having scouts sacrifice a good portion of their fit to remain undetected agaist a single piece of EQ seems like a step in the right direction. Double posting like a Kaiser.
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4643	Posted - 2014.07.30 00:10:00 - [12] - Quote So if I stack dampeners on my Gallente Scout thus making a big sacrifice which I make on almost all of my fits I should not be rewarded for my sacrifice? Your logic must be subbing for your imagination because it has gone wild. EDIT: BTW a Minlogi and Callogi can get lower precision than a gallente scout right now so maybe if you actually tried....... Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
BLOOD Ruler The Lionheart Coalition 586	Posted - 2014.07.30 01:06:00 - [13] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: So if I stack dampeners on my Gallente Scout thus making a big sacrifice which I make on almost all of my fits I should not be rewarded for my sacrifice? Your logic must be subbing for your imagination because it has gone wild. EDIT: BTW a Minlogi and Callogi can get lower precision than a gallente scout right now so maybe if you actually tried....... These losers don't even understand a scouts role.They shouldn't be scanned so easy.Want to scan a scout,play as one.Losers don't even try.Also the galscout is the best damper scout.Exception!!!QQers Feel the pain of my knives and the piercing pain your skull has felt to my pistol.I am the Assassin.


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