that +1% per lvl to dropsuit command and upgrades just feels like it will have a ridiculous trickle down effect.
i obviously didnt run any numbers but thats the first thing i noticed.

The +1 per level for Weaponry, in some cases, would horribly unbalance things in the cases where those weapons' ammo sizes are intentionally designed as a balancing metric. They'd have to revisit those weapons to see if they needed to be nerfed to compensate.

The passive relating to dropsuits will need to be carefully balanced after the CPU/PG and slot layout overhauls. I'm not saying OP's are crap, I'm just saying they need a lot of data before we can create good passives for them.

I'm only talking about the +1 per level. On weapons like the Plasma Cannon or Forge Gun, that'd be a pretty huge buff, wouldn't it? Particularly since FGers can't carry their own nanohives.

If I'm right there are also vehicle skills that give no passive bonus

The "roots", as I like to call them, should be something that's beneficial to newcomers, and kind of an indifference to a dude with 40 mil SP. These "roots" are the initial skills known as Dropsuit Command, Dropsuit Upgrades, and Weaponry. I'm thinking something along the lines of:

• Dropsuit Command: Unlocks STD, ADV, and PRO at 1, 3, and 5.

-2% Dropsuit Price per level.


• Dropsuit Upgrades: Unlocks whatever at their own respective levels.

-#% Equipment Duration per level.


• Weaponry: Unlocks Instruments of Death at their respective levels.

-2% Weapon Price per level.

I don't know. It's something that's not necessarily game breaking, and it fills in the blanks while helping newcomers out a bit as well.

Maybe upgrades should be a price reduction, too?

Dropsuit Upgrades: Unlocks whatever at their own respective levels.

-2% Dropsuit Modules/equipment cost per level?

I like the idea however, as a min assault, I think the minmatar medium bonus is practically useless compared to the others. I mean a Caldari should practically be filling all slots with shield related modules. The minmatar might use one or two biotic modules which are generally lower CPU and PG costs than shields. I think these sort of things would throw the balance Rattati has been trying to achieve out the window. I'd rather see a small bonus to base stats for these.

Anything less than 2% per level is not welcome
Look at biotic upgrades, useless.

10% CPU/PG on armor reps vs Plasma weapons?
Or straight up armor repair bonus?

The medium frame one is definitely the weakest link.

I like the bonus for the Minmatar Medium Frame, but I feel that the Biotics bonus and the Medium Frame should be switched. The Scout should be faster, getting more bang out of Kincat PG/CPU reduction, while the Medium Frames use the Reduction for projectile weapons.

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I like the bonus for the Minmatar Medium Frame, but I feel that the Biotics bonus and the Medium Frame should be switched. The Scout should be faster, getting more bang out of Kincat PG/CPU reduction, while the Medium Frames use the Reduction for projectile weapons.

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I say "no" to your suggestions. this we would only increase the gab between high and low SP players. everyone has to skill into them if he wants better gear..so it's fair...

May have been brought up but how about something like "+3% dropsuit mod efficacy per lvl" rather than just a straight eHP bonus?

just tossing it out there

HAV Operation........ I only have Lvl 1 in it......why does it not do something like increase PG and CPU of HAV by 1-2% per level.

Sometimes I'll have a bad day, and then I'll come to the dust forums and see a bunch of people arguing about balance over an abandoned dead game.

It really brightens my day.

Stay pathetic people :)

This could be stickied in Feedback and Ideas - this is relevant to our interests but not necessarily for Delta

Yay! More ways for newer players to get the **** kicked out of them by the sp disparity!!!!
*lots of words that have nothing to do with the OP*

In effect your proposal creates more SP sinks than removes them. If a skill has a bonus behind it, then it will be utilized.

The main problem in your proposal is that currently the non-racial dropsuit skills provide no benefit after level 3. If they had a bonus associated with them, it would be important to increase those to level 5, therefore creating another SP sink; not removing one.

Removing SP sinks would mean removing skills or lowering the amount of SP required to unlock things. Something like, being able to use prototype weapons even at the lower end of the tree. So once you unlock the skills to get assault rifle for example, you can use all the assault rifles.

Here's one example of many. Suppose you have level 3 in amarr light suits. You really needed to save PG to fit your optimum loadout so you spent loads on scrambler rifle fitting optimization. Suddenly the skills are changed and you are getting 6% PG from the amarr light skills, and turns out you wasted 1 million SP in fitting optimization. Your choice, which was a good one at the time, is turned into a bad one by the seemingly innocuous change to the skill tree. Your SP investment is devalued. In fact, the OP achieves the opposite of what he sets out to do - he creates SP sinks (SP trapped in useless places).

>New players come with all the sp sinks on their characters.

Oh okay... I didn't realize you were proposing to give all the new players more than 500k sp for all those sp sinks that are getting turned into buffs, my bad.

If you actually weren't planning this, then you should reread what I just quoted from you and reconsider your logical reasoning.

EVENTUALLY, yes new players will have all those buffs. EVENTUALLY, i'll have every skill at 5. Inb4 CCP pulls the plug on Dust.

This would do nothing but widen the gap between a new player and a vet. What I said still stands, you just didn't put points into logic.

Correct, but you are creating more places for SP to go. Therefore creating sinks. I don't think you understand the definition of an sp sink. I don't mind having skills mean something when skilled. But you are still making the hurdle larger for low sp players.

Not only that but CCP would never give us "free" bonuses. Instead to get your racial frame to current standard you would probably need to skill both racial and non racial dropsuit command skills to five. Therefore creating a larger sp sink for the same effect.

Reducing multipliers, cost of skills, or allowing items to be used earlier would ease the burden of sp. To reduce the sink means to slow the flow. Creating more skills bonuses just increases that hole.

Ex: CCP decides to create more items on the market that are officer variety. Would this increase or decrease the amount of isk in circulation.........decrease correct! Adding things to sink sp into, increases the sink in the same way. Even if those sp are providing a bonus.