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DMH Bond Inner.Hell 27	Posted - 2014.07.27 20:43:00 - [1] - Quote Eat azz. my explanation is in the link below. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=156510 in other game there isnt anyone cloaked and rendered completely undetectable until youre dead. oh yeah, unless you sacrifice almost all of your ehp tanking abilities to detect a scout and praying that he/she isnt cloaked. the cloak takes too long to die off when switching to another weapon. if its a client issue then cool, ill switch to destiny and donate my isk to my corp mates. dust has become scout and heavy 514. logis and assaulters (dumb logis) are now just repping heavies. scouts are the invisible men that shoot you in the back in the middle of a full squad of your own people. Dust is and has been broken for a while. Destiny is doing it better but not in a more complete way. Im honestly just waiting for The Division and Legion which im hoping will not suffer from the same problems. oh yeah QQ lol
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5522	Posted - 2014.07.27 21:09:00 - [2] - Quote I can go 35-5 with a STD caldari MEd frame and a TOXIN AR and you are leaving dust because SG's... Ok. people complain too much. The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....
Cryius Li-Moody The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 31	Posted - 2014.07.27 21:41:00 - [3] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: I can go 35-5 with a STD caldari MEd frame and a TOXIN AR and you are leaving dust because SG's... Ok. people complain too much. i can go 70-0 without even leaving the mcc. so whats your point? I'll make love to your cat if its wet If not make me a sandwich and it better be good and while your at it get me a beer
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 6745	Posted - 2014.07.27 22:03:00 - [4] - Quote I can go 1000-0 without playing the game at all. Your point? see you space cowboy...
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 2547	Posted - 2014.07.27 22:11:00 - [5] - Quote I'm Chuck Norris. Get over it. PSN: ogamega "Dust is full of communists who despise people with enough isk to buy expensive items"
mollerz 4377	Posted - 2014.07.27 22:12:00 - [6] - Quote I go 0-150 just to stop myself! Dingle Dust Berry.
Immortal John Ripper 22714	Posted - 2014.07.27 23:18:00 - [7] - Quote I miss bragging about how good I did in standard scout suits last year. Now it is just meh. Who cares anymore. My only regret is never becoming awesome with nova knives. My respects to the nova Knifing pros. Only I can master the 4 races and bring balance to this galaxy - GJR The Last Clone bender Skype: John_Ripper5150
General John Ripper 22816	Posted - 2014.07.27 23:18:00 - [8] - Quote I miss bragging about how good I did in standard scout suits last year. Now it is just meh. Who cares anymore. My only regret is never becoming awesome with nova knives. My respects to the nova Knifing pros. CCP is now cyber stalking me and banning me for stuff I post months ago no one will ever see. I will never be safe.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1702	Posted - 2014.07.27 23:22:00 - [9] - Quote The shotgun is in need of a buff.....to hit detection. Once thats out of the way, QQ all you want. Until then, don't complain until you use it. "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. Kills-Archduke Ferd1nand
Kyr Kitar Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 14	Posted - 2014.07.28 00:37:00 - [10] - Quote DMH Bond wrote: Eat azz. my explanation is in the link below. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=156510 in other game there isnt anyone cloaked and rendered completely undetectable until youre dead. oh yeah, unless you sacrifice almost all of your ehp tanking abilities to detect a scout and praying that he/she isnt cloaked. the cloak takes too long to die off when switching to another weapon. if its a client issue then cool, ill switch to destiny and donate my isk to my corp mates. dust has become scout and heavy 514. logis and assaulters (dumb logis) are now just repping heavies. scouts are the invisible men that shoot you in the back in the middle of a full squad of your own people. Dust is and has been broken for a while. Destiny is doing it better but not in a more complete way. Im honestly just waiting for The Division and Legion which im hoping will not suffer from the same problems. oh yeah QQ lol I've played a fair bit of World of Warcraft about 8 years ago up til about.. 5 years ago I'd say. They have a PvP section which I actively engaged in. While it is no FPS, the PvP bit comes down to the same thing: play strategic games with friends and random other people, get points for kills, communication wins the match, etc etc. There were several classes capable of stealth (Rogues, Cat Druids) and they were both able to sneak up on you and unleash hell without you knowing what was happening. Most of their opening moves involved a stun to your character for a good few seconds and if you, like me, played a magic-based class that ran around the world in nothing but a dress you soon found out stealthed Rogues 2 shotting you in a few seconds was just a part of the game. It was part of what their class did. No one cared. Sure, there were always people who thought it was a good thing to whine about it on the forums but those were always the ones who just got owned a few times in a row by the same stealthed people. They never really meant for the game to be balanced, all they wanted was to die less and be more awesome themselves. My point being. You don't have to detect a scout. In fact, a player running a dampened scout has made it his sole job to stay undetected unless he chooses to be seen. Why exactly are you supposed to see him before he sees you? If you want to be able to see most, or all, scouts then you SHOULD be sacrificing all your EHP tanking abilities and run the risk of dying fast. Because, really, a dampened scout has only small amounts of health and will die fast as well once he loses his only advantage, i.e. the stealth. Also, I don't quite understand why you would whine about a certain Dust aspect and then bring up another game. It's not relevant. If Destiny has characters selling corndogs in shady corners of a map, does it make a scout shotgun you less? If Final Fantasy online has a cave where you can hide from enemy PvP players, does it make your assault char in Dust reload quicker? No..

RYN0CER0S Rise Of Old Dudes 677	Posted - 2014.07.28 02:11:00 - [11] - Quote Destiny beta ends Sunday. That's 6 long weeks til full release goes live... (Insert some clich+¬ about bridges and fire and stuff.) Who farted?
Derpty Derp It's All Gone Derp 227	Posted - 2014.07.28 02:19:00 - [12] - Quote I just forge gunned a cloaked scout... I think you and/or your team is doing something wrong.
Venerable Phage Red Shirts Away Team 193	Posted - 2014.07.28 02:23:00 - [13] - Quote I'm not sure which recticle is best for finding scouts, but you should always check your six. I do even when I'm a cloaked scout. A medium with a 10m tacne range is going to be in the optimal range of all light weapons bar the shotgun. So anyone with a std rifle can hose you down if you are not aware. Having said that playing stealth shotgun fits (minimal eHP) is fun and using a breach is a blast :p Not One Lifetime
John Lengrios Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 17	Posted - 2014.07.28 02:31:00 - [14] - Quote Destiny has cloaking (or at least it will for the Hunter's subclass) and you can get off the radar just by crouching. Oh yeah, there's shotguns too. Why use one scout suit and be good at one thing when you can be a #Omniscout.
Mejt0 Made in Poland... E-R-A 229	Posted - 2014.07.28 02:56:00 - [15] - Quote They (people like him) always complain about something that killed them. Something thats doing its job and uses its adventaves. Learn to have situational awarnes. Or looking behind you is far to hard for you? -~-~-Caldari Loyalist-~-~- Markiplier fan. Hollywood Undead ,rocks.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1243	Posted - 2014.07.28 06:03:00 - [16] - Quote If you don't like dying to them, invest in their counter -- cal scout for now and likely amarr scout after charlie. Heavies usually have a good chance too with some situational awareness and sharp eyes/ears. But really, you're right, and coming out of cloak and getting off a shot before being seen does suck.
DMH Bond Inner.Hell 27	Posted - 2014.08.05 02:32:00 - [17] - Quote I have used it thats why i know what it can do (CQC fit), next. I brought up the other game because it is diverting dust players to something else. duh for some reason the people in this forum are extremely topical and dont look below the surface. As a logi im more focused on helping my team than killing damn near invisible people. im always looking at my tacnet but when im being shot and the culprit still doesnt show up on me tacnet thats an issue. not a gal scout, an am scout. thanks bottom line. the class as it is today is op. which is exactly why we see so many scout slayers and very few medium fits. eventhough some of you dont like what im saying CCP knows that it screwed up. Why do you think that they are talking about giving the assaulters a buff. oh btw. all opponents can eat my azz. just saying. lol


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