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Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2014.07.28 14:21:00 -
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What's the point in having a scout designed for passive scanning if he can't share his scan data? Sharing scan data makes people run more varied squads.
It actually promotes team play and using suits more than just for killing people. Really all the needs to happen in order to facilitate this change is Range Exntenders and Prescision Enhancers swap places.
Either that or the proposed skills for Amarr and Caldari need to be swaped around. That part is upto the devs.
But why get rid of sharing scan data? All it does is promote more Scouts to play slayer based roles, since their main function EWAR, doesn't benifit the squad.
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Posted - 2014.07.30 02:34:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:501st Headstrong wrote:I personally think shared passives isn't such a bad thing. You're a scout, but you have no mic. How are you going to tell your teammates. Versus, you have passive scans so they can tell, no words needed.
Why is shared so bad? In most non-competitive settings, shared passives are perfectly fine. In a PC, however, where HMG heavies are the most dominant and competitive force, their one weakness can be completely eliminated by a super strong scanner scout. If you want shared scans, use an active scanner.
Hold on, are you saying you want to nerf teamwork? Trust me, if heavies are prelevant in PC giving the TACNET blindness won't cure anything. They only have to run in groups of 4, with a logi in a LAV.
Stop trying to nerf teamwork becuase you can't solo it.
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Posted - 2014.07.30 02:36:00 -
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Larry Desmo wrote:i think the balance is fine for the most part, the whole problem was ccp was balancing things without all of the content to balance it against hotfix bravo prety much fixed almost all of the problems with the balance issue, and hotfix charlie looks like its catering to you buff nerf idiots rather than actually doing anything of benefit. ccp rattati needs to look like he is got something to do else he would be out of a job.
new content should always take priority over number tweeks, wtf happened to amar vehicles, minmatar vehicles, or thoose plasma cannon variants. how about asking for some real content before whining to ccp to get something nerfed so you can use the next precived over powered fit untill you decide whatever can counter it is the next op thing and needs to be nerfed.
the guns are fine the suits are fine the vehicles are fine the lack of promised content and developer support is not fine
Umm? Who's gonna tell this guy they aren't making any more new content for DUST, EVER?
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Posted - 2014.07.30 02:42:00 -
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OP FOTM wrote:Larry Desmo wrote: looks to me like your just mad cause your poor, what u got in that little wallet 300k, 400k, lol
ever since kain spero fail collapsed the blue donut i've been sitting on at least 10 million isk at a time. last i checked today i was at 20 mil. uh let me explain why shared tacnet is a problem...
- heavies aren't supposed to see you
- logis without scanners arent supposed to see you
- brick tanked scouts without EWAR aren't supposed to see you after their caldari scout buddies track you down
it literally takes the guesswork out of COMMS WITH YOUR TEAM. INTEL. It makes INTEL EASY MODE. ******* HMGS ARENT SUPPOSED TO SEE EVERYONE ON THE MAP ESPECIALLY SCOUTS WHY DO YOU THINK GAL LOGI'S FOCUSED SCANNER IS SO BAD? SCANNING OTHER SCOUTS IS OP AND BROKEN WHY ARE EVEN GAL LOGI'S SCANS BAD? THEY'RE OP AND NEEDED TO BE NERFED Scouts are running around with SCANNERINAS that everyone was complaining about active scanners doing 360 degree scans of EVERYTHING. It took the guess work out of the game, it took STRATEGY OUT OF THE GAME
Why? Is it bad that at least 3 people can't engage in frontline combat without dying, while still having to be near the front line? Tell me though what is the actual point of an EWAR Scout if it isn't for EWAR?
Intel is part and parcel of Electronic Warfare, there is literally no reason for Caldari or Amarr Scout suits to exsist if they don't share their scan data.
Go on, name a function the the Caldari or Amarr scout suits that neither the Gallante or Minmatar can do.
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Posted - 2014.07.30 10:04:00 -
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Doc DDD wrote:All I see in this thread is the same broke scrub, who thinks that scout scans work while piloting a tank, moaning about a suit thats' sole purpose is counter cloaked flankers.
You have no idea how to play the game.
Get good.
Your whole arguement is that by losing suit diversity, particularly cal scouts with precision enhancers, we will gain suit diversity. Do you see the flaw in your logic?
By removing shared passive scans, you remove that niche playstyle. PAPERTHIN EWAR ( the scout doesn't kill you, his squadmate does )
You will only gain: - more cloaked shotgunners flanking (and killing you ) -more heavies covering the back of the squad instead of just pushing forward (and killing you) -more gal logis with 4 scanners spamming scans the entire match. (scanning and then killing you with 1000ehp)
this does not increase diversity on the battlefield, you will still die like a scrub.
Yes if you really think 99% of scouts ever agreed on anything then there are a lot of 'fuzzy statistics' thrown around in this thread you probably believe too...
Now just ask yourself.....
Do you want shared tacnet for passive scans removed so that you can cloak and flank:
ALL HEAVIES ALL COMMANDOS ALL ASSAULT SUITS ALL LOGI SUITS WITHOUT 4 SCANNERS EQUIPPED ALL SCOUT SUITS WITHOUT PRECISION ENHANCERS
?????
If that's why you want shared tacnet removed then please stop playing this game as you are garbage. YOU WANT THERE TO BE NO COUNTER FOR YOUR SUIT AND YOU WANT US TO TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY.
GUESS WHAT... CLOAKED SCOUTS FLANKING WITH SHOTGUNS ARE NOT THE COUNTER FOR A SQUAD WITH AN EFFECTIVE SCAN BONUS.... IF YOU CANT COUNTER THIS SQUAD WITH ONE PLAYER HAVING ONLY 300ehp PLEASE STOP PLAYING THIS GAME. PICK UP A RIFLE OR HMG AND GET SOME GUN GAME OR GTFO.
Or continue posting about how broke you are and about how removing roles actually increases roles or how kain spero has oppressed you and you require immediate reparations. I would rather see cloaks disappear with the amount of whiny indignant children using them as a crutch and QQing at their ONLY COUNTER.
Stay broke.
No I don't want to run around. In a 700-900 ehp scout suit, who only has to worry about some sorry excuse who's stacked EWAR mods and has less eHP than my little finger.
Gùå Why do you want more flanking scouts, they are the more OP version of scouts? Gùå Why do you want Gallogis doingnthe exact same thing current scouts are doing - with more eHP? Gùå Why would you put your most powerful weapon as a tail end charlie?
You can avoid Passive Scans quite easily observe. G-Scout profile (3x PRO Dampener) 11.45 C-Scout Prescision (3x PRO Enhancer) 15.45
Now this doesn't include the dampening bonus from the cloak either. Nor does it take into account Gùå The spare gallante low slot Gùå 2 gallante high slots.
All of which can be fitted in a manner you deem fit. The problem people have with Passive Tacnet scans is that they can't run half arsed dampened suits and slip under Everyone's radar.
Most of the people who want passive tacnet sharing gone, are the people who want to have their cake and eat it. Removing Squad EWAR functions does more to damage the games tactical diversity than, removing them will create Gallogi Spam.
Edit: Sorry just said the same thing as you anyway.
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