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Cody Sietz
SVER True Blood
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.07.25 22:51:00 -
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I know I've been talking about buffing the assault suit and it's base ehp and base CPU/PG(most recently for Cal/Gal suits)
But I think this may be one step over the line, though I still really wanna see it tbh. I often times run a heavy for a squad assault over my assault(I seem to do better with my STD sentinel then my Proto assault) and heck, maybe this will give them the extra push they need...or maybe make them super OP...
Also, I know Logis are already losing that crap over this...
I really would like to hear everyone's thoughts on this.
Like it?
Hate it?
Throw it at the wall and worry about cleaning it up after?
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Cody Sietz
SVER True Blood
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.07.25 22:55:00 -
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Please don't just flame, I'm generally on the fence here.
First class was a Caldari assault in Crome then Gallente assault in uprising, followed by Gallente scout in 1.2
And finally Gallente sentinel in 1.8 and may go full Logi or assault DS next
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.07.25 23:16:00 -
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Honestly, we can fight and argue and debate over changes like this till we're blue in the face, but at the end of the day the only way to be sure if practical testing.
Let the change happen, we'll see what happens, see how the Meta shifts, and move from there.
It's like trying to solve a system of equations for 100 variables at once. Sometimes you just need to plug something in and see what answer pops out, then make adjustments and try again. Don't get me wrong, you need at least make an educated choice in what you pick, but you're simply not going to get it perfect in one try, or even a dozen tries. So just keep calm and see what happens. |
Cody Sietz
SVER True Blood
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.07.25 23:43:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Honestly, we can fight and argue and debate over changes like this till we're blue in the face, but at the end of the day the only way to be sure if practical testing.
Let the change happen, we'll see what happens, see how the Meta shifts, and move from there.
It's like trying to solve a system of equations for 100 variables at once. Sometimes you just need to plug something in and see what answer pops out, then make adjustments and try again. Don't get me wrong, you need at least make an educated choice in what you pick, but you're simply not going to get it perfect in one try, or even a dozen tries. So just keep calm and see what happens.
I agree, but it's kind of how everyone and their mother could tell the GalScout was gonna be OP.
But I suppose it worked out for the best just letting the pieces fall where they may...
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Cavani1EE7
The Rainbow Effect
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.07.25 23:48:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:I know I've been talking about buffing the assault suit and it's base ehp and base CPU/PG(most recently for Cal/Gal suits)
But I think this may be one step over the line, though I still really wanna see it tbh. I often times run a heavy for a squad assault over my assault(I seem to do better with my STD sentinel then my Proto assault) and heck, maybe this will give them the extra push they need...or maybe make them super OP...
Also, I know Logis are already losing that crap over this...
I really would like to hear everyone's thoughts on this.
Like it?
Hate it?
Throw it at the wall and worry about cleaning it up after?
It's finally becoming the role it deserves to be after a long time being useless and people already QQ about him possibly becoming OP. Jesus freaking christ.
Re-born 1337
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Cody Sietz
SVER True Blood
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.07.26 00:53:00 -
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Did you read anything I said?
I've been waiting for my assault to become valid again, but I'm also worried it may become OP. The extra slot feels like it may push into Logi territory(I'm not a Logi)
I wanna see where it goes.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Boot Booter
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.07.26 00:57:00 -
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Well I've thought a lot about this and I have to say that I am for the extra slot. With that said I think they should drop the HP buff. I really like the extra slot because it is consistent with the logi suits in terms of slot layout, allowing the same high level of customization and versatility. I think the HP buff should be dropped because assaults already benefit from increased hp and speed over logistics.
What happened to the repair tool glow?
Why won't CCP answer?
Conspiracy?
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Cody Sietz
SVER True Blood
Dark Taboo
3692
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Posted - 2014.07.26 01:27:00 -
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Boot Booter wrote:Well I've thought a lot about this and I have to say that I am for the extra slot. With that said I think they should drop the HP buff. I really like the extra slot because it is consistent with the logi suits in terms of slot layout, allowing the same high level of customization and versatility. I think the HP buff should be dropped because assaults already benefit from increased hp and speed over logistics.
That's where I'm split on the thing, I think the extra ehp would help just as much as the slot while not stepping the Logis toes.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Boot Booter
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.07.26 02:07:00 -
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I think the HP is a better buff than the slot. Plus its kinda a sneaky buff for shield suits if you think about it.
On the other hand I hate the current slot progression. 4/6/8 is much better.
What happened to the repair tool glow?
Why won't CCP answer?
Conspiracy?
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Cody Sietz
SVER True Blood
Dark Taboo
3692
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Posted - 2014.07.26 02:17:00 -
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Boot Booter wrote:I think the HP is a better buff than the slot. Plus its kinda a sneaky buff for shield suits if you think about it.
On the other hand I hate the current slot progression. 4/6/8 is much better.
Kind of leaves the std suits in the dust though(no pun intended)
The ADV/PRO get a buff but the STD aren't really get much of a change besides the CPU/PG.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Boot Booter
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.07.26 02:19:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Boot Booter wrote:I think the HP is a better buff than the slot. Plus its kinda a sneaky buff for shield suits if you think about it.
On the other hand I hate the current slot progression. 4/6/8 is much better. Kind of leaves the std suits in the dust though(no pun intended) The ADV/PRO get a buff but the STD aren't really get much of a change besides the CPU/PG.
True.. What if the std and adv suits got an extra slot making it 5/6/7. Then get the HP and capacity buff too.
What happened to the repair tool glow?
Why won't CCP answer?
Conspiracy?
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Cody Sietz
SVER True Blood
Dark Taboo
3693
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Posted - 2014.07.26 02:25:00 -
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Boot Booter wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Boot Booter wrote:I think the HP is a better buff than the slot. Plus its kinda a sneaky buff for shield suits if you think about it.
On the other hand I hate the current slot progression. 4/6/8 is much better. Kind of leaves the std suits in the dust though(no pun intended) The ADV/PRO get a buff but the STD aren't really get much of a change besides the CPU/PG. True.. What if the std and adv suits got an extra slot making it 5/6/7. Then get the HP and capacity buff too.
Hmmm, I could see that working. And it would help the STD assault to actually be a useful suit.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Rusty Shallows
Caldari State
1913
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Posted - 2014.07.26 03:49:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:snip
Also, I know Logis are already losing that crap over this...
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Right up in the Hotfix Charlie Update sticky our favorite rock star Dev said:
CCP Rattati wrote:snip
Hotfix Delta or later
*Sidearm rebalance
*Sniper Rifle review
*Efficacy bonuses
*Further slot based PG/CPU updates based on necessity, Scouts, Commandos, Logistics
Many of us agreed that Assaults needed an update. Considering how much Scouts and Heavies got in Uprising 1.8 the proposed changes look good. I don't even play Assaults on any of my Toons. So enjoy the Assault Buffs, you guys deserve it.
Shortly my Logi ALT will reach a new level of suck & fail. Yet depending on what is meant by "Efficiency bonuses" as well as the PG/CPU could mean they'll be getting a review before Christmas.
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Cody Sietz
SVER True Blood
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.07.26 03:54:00 -
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I suppose I should have said "some" Logis instead.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
2531
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Posted - 2014.07.26 04:33:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Honestly, we can fight and argue and debate over changes like this till we're blue in the face, but at the end of the day the only way to be sure if practical testing.
Let the change happen, we'll see what happens, see how the Meta shifts, and move from there.
It's like trying to solve a system of equations for 100 variables at once. Sometimes you just need to plug something in and see what answer pops out, then make adjustments and try again. Don't get me wrong, you need at least make an educated choice in what you pick, but you're simply not going to get it perfect in one try, or even a dozen tries. So just keep calm and see what happens. I agree, but it's kind of how everyone and their mother could tell the GalScout was gonna be OP. But I suppose it worked out for the best just letting the pieces fall where they may...
Oh I totally agree, hence the "You need to think a bit before you just take a stab in the dark", but I don't personally get that vibe that'll be excessively OP, I think a buff is much needed and this doesn't feel like too much overkill, but who knows you may be right. |
Atiim
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.07.26 06:11:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:
That's where I'm split on the thing, I think the extra ehp would help just as much as the slot while not stepping the Logis toes.
The Logistics Class is built around the idea of support, and it's ability to do so comes from it's high amount of equipment slots. As such, the only way it could step on the logis toes is if it were to be given an additional equipment slot.
Personally, I don't see how an additional slot will make Assaults overpowered.
And nothing of value was lost that day...
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Crimson ShieId
Psygod9
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Posted - 2014.07.26 09:28:00 -
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I highly doubt the assaults will ever be considered OP by any stretch. The buffs are going to be nice for them, but their bonuses, well, the Gallente and Caldari bonuses, are still kinda meh. If you're thinking we're going to have a repeat of the scout super buff, keep in mind that the scout suits didn't just get a CPU/PG/Slot buff. They also got the cloaks. The assaults aren't getting a new piece of equipment, they're just getting a few, likely rather small, buffs to some of their base stats.
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Alam Storm
T.M.N. MARINES
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Posted - 2014.07.26 11:18:00 -
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in all honestly i think its about time the assaults got something
the logis are able to get over a 1k health scouts 700 and heavys tbh im not sure
as it stands the 1 suit that is meant to be at the front line fighting is the 1 suit with the lowest HP and defeats the purpose of calling it an assault
granted you can max out your assault suit getting it to near 900 to 1k HP but for what the suit would be slower then a heavy and lose its side arm equipment and grenades making it a bodge job of the logi suit
giving a heavy some more CPU/PG nd an extra high or low slot will defo make a huge improvement and it will help the suit be were it is meant to be on the front line and not behind everyone else or flanking
the fact people do not use logi suits for assault with over 1k HP and not doing what they are designed for support and cover is why the assault suit as become practically useless
now i will admit i am a gallente assault suit i have been it since closed beta and will continue with it please look at from my point of view i have just over 500 Armour and 200 shields and yet i can still be killed because the person either has twice as much HP then me or is carrying a shot gun my suit should not have the same HP as a scout with full Armour on a cloaking device and a shotgun
the assault suit needs either a HP buff or extra high or low slot depending on the suit |
Cat Merc
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Posted - 2014.07.26 14:31:00 -
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I am usually capable of predicting FOTM.
This time I am not sure.
The Assault changes are the first time I can't tell if something will turn FOTM.
Just let it happen, hotfixes come out quick so we won't be stuck with it for a long time.
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
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ladwar
HEARTS OF PHOENIX
2016
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Posted - 2014.07.26 14:37:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:I am usually capable of predicting FOTM.
This time I am not sure.
The Assault changes are the first time I can't tell if something will turn FOTM.
Just let it happen, hotfixes come out quick so we won't be stuck with it for a long time.
oh come on you did the math kitten and you and i both know the next FOTM. you just don't want people to know.
Level 2 Forum Warrior, bitter vet.
I shall smite Thy Trolls with numbers and truth
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CUSE TOWN333
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.07.26 15:09:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Did you read anything I said?
I've been waiting for my assault to become valid again, but I'm also worried it may become OP. The extra slot feels like it may push into Logi territory(I'm not a Logi)
I wanna see where it goes. one slot is not going to make anything OP when a invisible scout can walk up behind you and blap you in the back of the head any time he wants. or run into a new bricked out amarr heavy with 1,300 armor and a HMG.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.26 15:36:00 -
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The quadruple buff that they plan on may be over the top (really over the top IMO)
Id say give them the base HP or the extra slot, not both. With CPU/PG upgrades and a better bonus on top of that, they really should have to choose between extra HP or extra slots.
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
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Combat Clinic
EAT Yo FACE
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Posted - 2014.07.26 19:07:00 -
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Im seriously confused with why people are claiming that assault will be OP FOTM. Can someone explain how?
Isnt the assault supposed to slay, and because the hotfix might ensure that assault will be the best slayer that it is somehow OP? All of the past FOTM suits were the flavour because they were slayers and they weren't assault suits. And now with the added slots and PG/CPU the could possibly make the assault the best slayer in the game which is supposed to be the case but because of this the suit is OP?
Remember that all the assault will be able to do is assault, it lacks slots already and has one equipment slot, its not exactly going to be OP when all it can do is kill things.
Seriously can somebody explain how it will be OP FOTM? |
TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
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Posted - 2014.07.26 19:46:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:
That's where I'm split on the thing, I think the extra ehp would help just as much as the slot while not stepping the Logis toes.
The Logistics Class is built around the idea of support, and it's ability to do so comes from it's high amount of equipment slots. As such, the only way it could step on the logis toes is if it were to be given an additional equipment slot. Personally, I don't see how an additional slot will make Assaults overpowered.
That's Called the Amarr Logi. It's the assault suit with more equipment slots, which Rattatai was going to remove the sidearm but he crossed it out in his charlie update list. The suit gets to keep this because Amarr has a notoriously bad RP section that bitches to no end when Amarr is touched. Like how everyone got shafted in the assault racial bonuses except for Amarr who got to keep their awesome heat related bonus. Meanwhile my caldari gets faster reloading, which maybe shaves off a couple miliseconds while they squeeze out 3-5 more shots on their respective weapons.
Yay... |
CUSE TOWN333
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
959
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Posted - 2014.07.26 20:24:00 -
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Combat Clinic wrote:Im seriously confused with why people are claiming that assault will be OP FOTM. Can someone explain how?
Isnt the assault supposed to slay, and because the hotfix might ensure that assault will be the best slayer that it is somehow OP? All of the past FOTM suits were the flavour because they were slayers and they weren't assault suits. And now with the added slots and PG/CPU the could possibly make the assault the best slayer in the game which is supposed to be the case but because of this the suit is OP?
Remember that all the assault will be able to do is assault, it lacks slots already and has one equipment slot, its not exactly going to be OP when all it can do is kill things.
Seriously can somebody explain how it will be OP FOTM? its really just all the people that put SP into scouts and heavys that seen they could abuse those OP suits for slaying now there scared the assault will be the killing suit. it does not matter they will have to live with there bad SP investments. the real scout players will be fine because they were useing the scout before it became OP.
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Vitharr Foebane
Terminal Courtesy
Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2014.07.26 21:35:00 -
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I'm just gonna leave this here...
P.S. Don't forget to add the 187.5 eHP from the proposed HP buff
Amarr: Assault V, Scout V, Sentinel V, Commando IV, Logistics IV
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CUSE TOWN333
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.07.27 09:35:00 -
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LOL brick tanking is kind of noobish no need for that many plates but good pub stomp suit i guess.
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The Eristic
Dust 90210
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Posted - 2014.07.27 11:32:00 -
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Reiterating my thoughts in the slot thread, the HP is preferable. It buffs all assault suits at all tiers, unlike the extra slot, which only buffs higher tiers.
The extra slot also means fewer considered choices have to be made when building a suit. Logis and Scouts have both been problematic because they didn't have to make any concessions, give anything up for anything else, due to slot count/distribution or inherent suit traits/bonuses or some combination thereof. 8 slots + 150 HP will end the same way. Every proto suit will be able to stack damage and/or regen and still have high tank, not needing to carefully balance builds around their playstyle and goals for a fitting within the confines of a given suit's limitations. 7 slots + 150 HP means players will get a nice buff, but still have to think about how they want to build their loadouts. (8 slots without the HP means most people are just going to put HP in said 8th slot, btw.)
Finally, simply due to the sheer number of slots, the ways in which the 8 would have to be distributed across races for the sake of balance would serve to blur the very racial identities the proposed 7 slot layouts were designed to showcase, as well as disrupting their symmetry.
Reality is the original Rorschach.
Verily! So much for all that.
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Killer's Coys
Prima Gallicus
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Posted - 2014.07.27 12:17:00 -
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The Eristic wrote:Reiterating my thoughts in the slot thread, the HP is preferable. It buffs all assault suits at all tiers, unlike the extra slot, which only buffs higher tiers.
Agree. People must not forget the basic assault, but this one will not receive an extra slot, so those basic assaults would not receive a buff without the eHP buff ...
For me, when Rattati says "assault buff" I understand
- Basic assault buff
- Advanced assault buff
- Proto assault buff
Not only the ADV and the Pro one
Ho yeah Love you Rattati!
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Peregrinuus
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Posted - 2014.07.27 15:29:00 -
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I like it. Means I can get more armor regen. I say **** bricking. One enhanced plate and three complex armor reps on my advanced Amarr assault FTW 
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