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Happy Violentime
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Posted - 2014.07.25 22:33:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Will Hotfix Charlie introduce any changes that will address the obvious character recycling exploit that is in Dust?
When I last played, which was the day before Fanfest 2014, it use to be that your character starts off with 500,000 ISK and has a biomass timer of 10 hours. This made it relatively easy to exploit with the decent amount of ISK per start and a short timer. I'm not sure if that's been addressed or not as I haven't been playing for months now. Will the mechanics be changed to be in line with Eve Online's starter ISK of 5,000 and a 24 hour biomass timer?
Create alt, do nothing In a couple of games make same amount of isk, repeat ad-infinitum. No need to go to all the hassle of recycling characters |
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Posted - 2014.07.26 07:21:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Temias Mercurial wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:Temias Mercurial wrote:It's only 500,000, or 1,000,000 isk if you biomass two alts. You can make that same amount in under an hour... I really don't see the reasoning of referring to it as an exploit. I'm not defending or supporting this 'exploit', but I don't see the point in wasting time on it.
I'm sitting on 65mil earned through playing this game for several months (think a year now...). Someone making a mil every 10 hours is of little concern to most of us... This one person in my local was bragging that with his 16 PSN alts, (1.5 million per PSN * 15 + 1 mill ) per ten hours, = 23.5 Mill every ten hours. I bet a big portion of that ISK you have is from Salvage reset. You want to know the secret to getting money is? Run nothing but militia, the starter suits that they give you, or cheap standards suits for a month or two. I rarely get anything below 6th place at the end of a battle when playing like this. I only have about 6 fittings that are adv and proto; Everything else is below 15k. It's not hard at all to get isk when you can get an average of 180 to 240k per match and play at least 4-6 hours a day. I play honestly, and I don't take handouts either, as I have no reason to with that much isk, and I'm more than willing to give people isk when they actually need it, and not sitting on a throne of it. I also have a friend that has somewhere over 150mil, and I know that they play like any other honest person would and not exploiting anything to get isk, and they don't give a **** about the amount they have, and neither do I. By the way, what is salvage reseting? You can't sell things in this game, so how is salvage related to getting isk? Math: The average time to play a match is about 5 minutes in Ambush, and OMS can take about 10. So if you play and run nothing but cheap or blueprint suits (including the starter fits) for about 6 hours a day, and with an average of 200k isk per match you can make: 72 Ambush games in 6 hours = 14,000,000 isk36 OMS games in 6 hours = 7,200,000 iskRange of 7,200,000 isk to 14,000,000 per 6 hours. An entire week of Ambush/OMS in 6 hour sessions = 50,400,000 to 98,000,000An entire month (31 days for example) of Ambush/OMS in 6 hour sessions = 1,562,400,000 isk to 3,038,000,000 iskThe amount you make entirely depends on how much you want to play. Very. Frickin'. Simple. He's referring to the time during Dust's early development when players use to have a lot of salvage but then a major update come out warranting a major ISK refund of a lot of assets that players had that were getting removed from their inventory.
After the salvage reimbursement/last reset - which happened 2 weeks before open beta some mercs had over a billion isk LOL |
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Posted - 2014.07.26 07:29:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Temias Mercurial wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Temias Mercurial wrote:It's only 500,000, or 1,000,000 isk if you biomass two alts. You can make that same amount in under an hour... I really don't see the reasoning of referring to it as an exploit. I'm not defending or supporting this 'exploit', but I don't see the point in wasting time on it.
I'm sitting on 65mil earned through playing this game for several months (think a year now...). Someone making a mil every 10 hours is of little concern to most of us... It's an exploit no matter how you see it. If you look as how CCP created Dust, they never intended for this game to allow you to profit just from character recycling. You're suppose to profit from fighting in matches or at least scamming a player or robbing a corp. In fact, that's how CCP calls it in Eve Online, an exploit. Eve also has a system in place where your starting ISK (known as an inheritance) is 5,000 and your biomass timer is no less than 24 hours and trial accounts can't transfer ISK. Of course, the mitigating factor here is that in Eve you have to pay a subscription to get it out of the trial account or PLEX the account using the ISK earned in-game while on trial. Of course, why would anyone bother doing the character recycling exploit in Eve if they can somehow afford PLEX doing actual in-game work? The punishment for doing this exploit in Eve Online is a 2-strike-you're-out ban (use to be 3 strikes) followed by a seizure of your ISK and assets. In EVE it's far more competitive and VASTLY more players than DUST, and makes such an issue truly game breaking if you could transfer obscene amounts of isk off a new character. It's just my belief that in Dust, there is not as much as a reason to solve this issue, or rather a lacking of one, but I'm not saying it should be ignored either. I just don't believe it's that much of an issue with how easy it is to get isk with a little effort. Your pretty much set once you get to 20mil, and you can remain at a constant amount of isk and have no issues with being too poor to buy what you need, and that can be made in a couple of days. Well, personally, I see it as a major issue and I feel it needs to be addressed especially if CCP ever decides to transfer any of the ISK from Dust to Legion when the time comes to transfer characters to that platform.
You don't play the game anymore and you feel its a big issue?
I'm off to the destiny forums then to qq about a game I don't play... 
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Posted - 2014.07.26 07:32:00 -
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Happy Violentime wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Temias Mercurial wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Temias Mercurial wrote:It's only 500,000, or 1,000,000 isk if you biomass two alts. You can make that same amount in under an hour... I really don't see the reasoning of referring to it as an exploit. I'm not defending or supporting this 'exploit', but I don't see the point in wasting time on it.
I'm sitting on 65mil earned through playing this game for several months (think a year now...). Someone making a mil every 10 hours is of little concern to most of us... It's an exploit no matter how you see it. If you look as how CCP created Dust, they never intended for this game to allow you to profit just from character recycling. You're suppose to profit from fighting in matches or at least scamming a player or robbing a corp. In fact, that's how CCP calls it in Eve Online, an exploit. Eve also has a system in place where your starting ISK (known as an inheritance) is 5,000 and your biomass timer is no less than 24 hours and trial accounts can't transfer ISK. Of course, the mitigating factor here is that in Eve you have to pay a subscription to get it out of the trial account or PLEX the account using the ISK earned in-game while on trial. Of course, why would anyone bother doing the character recycling exploit in Eve if they can somehow afford PLEX doing actual in-game work? The punishment for doing this exploit in Eve Online is a 2-strike-you're-out ban (use to be 3 strikes) followed by a seizure of your ISK and assets. In EVE it's far more competitive and VASTLY more players than DUST, and makes such an issue truly game breaking if you could transfer obscene amounts of isk off a new character. It's just my belief that in Dust, there is not as much as a reason to solve this issue, or rather a lacking of one, but I'm not saying it should be ignored either. I just don't believe it's that much of an issue with how easy it is to get isk with a little effort. Your pretty much set once you get to 20mil, and you can remain at a constant amount of isk and have no issues with being too poor to buy what you need, and that can be made in a couple of days. Well, personally, I see it as a major issue and I feel it needs to be addressed especially if CCP ever decides to transfer any of the ISK from Dust to Legion when the time comes to transfer characters to that platform. You don't play the game anymore and you feel its a big issue? I'm off to the destiny forums then to qq about a game I don't play...
Hey Ratatouille - can we get some security on the forums so that only people who actually play this game can post? |
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