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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2014.07.25 17:48:00 -
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Id actually vote for a -5/+5 so its not identical to Hybrid Rail at -10/+10, but the concept is the same. Armor and Shield damage deltas need to be the same. |
Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2014.07.25 18:17:00 -
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The issue is that we have 5 Damage Types in Dust and only 4 in EVE."Hybrid-Rail" is weird one and has the profile that Projectile should have had. However they wanted Caldari and Gallente to opposites in Dust so they gave Caldari the opposing damage profile to Gallente and then Projectile got left in a weird spot. Its almost if they gave the Projectile the -5% to shields just so it wouldn't be identical to the Hybrid Rail, but that obviously has its issues. I'd be satisfied if it moved to -10%/+10% or -5%/+5%. Hell if you really want to get weird you could go -15%/+15% if you want. As long as they're equal, that's what matters most. |
Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2014.07.25 18:55:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:As long as they're equal, that's what matters most. -99/99?
Haha well that's a bit extreme but would be pretty funny to play with in a testing environment. |
Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2014.07.25 19:02:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:Being already high DPS weapons, if we were to implement -5% +5% you approach a flat DPS, where there is less polarity to defend yourself. Shields would be as ineffective as they are and armor would still be fairly vulnerable because we are talking high DPS weapons. I wouldn't mind seeing -5% +5%, as long as they are equal, but again would a weapon be OP if it has high DPS and -0% +0%?
Think about that, for instance, a Scrambler rifle that didn't do any more shield damage but didn't do any less armor damage. What would stop that weapon? How would you defend yourself? I don't think you could.
The issue with 0/0 is do you define that as an Anti Armor or Anti Shield weapon when looking at the proficiency skill? |
Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2014.07.25 19:12:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:Being already high DPS weapons, if we were to implement -5% +5% you approach a flat DPS, where there is less polarity to defend yourself. Shields would be as ineffective as they are and armor would still be fairly vulnerable because we are talking high DPS weapons. I wouldn't mind seeing -5% +5%, as long as they are equal, but again would a weapon be OP if it has high DPS and -0% +0%?
Think about that, for instance, a Scrambler rifle that didn't do any more shield damage but didn't do any less armor damage. What would stop that weapon? How would you defend yourself? I don't think you could. The issue with 0/0 is do you define that as an Anti Armor or Anti Shield weapon when looking at the proficiency skill? Small bonus to both?
That's an option, though the EVE player in me is twitching saying "KINETIC DOESN'T DO NEUTRAL DAMAGE!" but don't mind me. |
Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2014.07.25 20:54:00 -
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843-Vika wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Id actually vote for a -5/+5 so its not identical to Hybrid Rail at -10/+10, but the concept is the same. Armor and Shield damage deltas need to be the same. Then what is point having weapons that are better against shields if all the rifles have the same damage profiles? If anything it should be CR -10 shield/+10 armor RR +10 shileds/ -10 armor AR 0 shields/ 0 armor The CR being less effective against shields, the RR being less effective against armor and the AR being equal to both since it hybrid. The numbers are made up just for the example.
What are you taking about? I never said they would have all the same damage profile, I said the deltas for armor and shield deltas need to be the same on weapons, opposed to the current Kinetic where the deltas are different values. |
Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2014.07.25 21:34:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:
Wait is that your opinion or your sarcastic vision of how rattati feels? I can't read sarcasm through text, lol.
Oh god I've contracted the LOL virus. HELP ME!
I bet you didn't even actually laugh, scum. |
Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2014.07.25 22:31:00 -
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843-Vika wrote:The dark cloud wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:You can probably imagine how I feel about this discrepancy...  And i have the cure for the plagued shield sentinels. Just click on my signature for instant medication. unless stacking penility then thats bad because of the way percents work
With very rare exception, percentage based modules always have a standard stacking penalty |
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