DUST Search - [Video] Logistics Discussion with CPM candidate Cross Atu

Aeon Amadi wrote:

Reign Omega wrote:

17:00 in just about Cross makes a good point. It actually speaks to vehicles, if you skill into something why cant you call it out in a match? "Duvolle limit reached" "combat rifle limit reached" "Heavy machine gun limit reached" do you see how silly it is to limit someone who has spent time and effort building their character?

Dude, I can't tell you how [redacted] off I was when I heard they were seriously considering removing vehicles from Ambush (and now Ambush OMS).

My opinion on that has not, and likely will never, change. I don't see a reason why a player should be exempt from certain game-modes because of their playstyle choice, especially when we went through so much trouble to allow them even footing (SP investment) with infantry. I understand that players wanted a game mode free of vehicles but to me it comes off as either acknowledging that vehicles were over-powered and taking the easy route or simply ignoring the fact that this is New Eden, where the battle isn't always going to be in your favor.

But yanno, what's done is done and the majority of the community vouched for those changes... So, what can I say...

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I-Shayz-I I----------I 4280	Posted - 2014.07.24 14:24:00 - [1] - Quote It's a bit long, but I hope people will be interested in listening to this. We talked about everything from wp bonuses to equipment to possible logistics suit bonuses and stuff we'd like to see in the future. We think very similarly, he's just a million times better at speaking than I ever could be. Each part is 30 minutes long, just keep that in mind. I tried to edit it down but there were just so many good points. Enjoy! Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-zjzy3--Eg (WP Rewards and Equipment) Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLO85L2s5YAP (Suit Bonuses and Fitting) Part 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OahOkoznxMs (Equipment Speculation and Legion) 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! List of Legion Feedback Threads!
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 3232	Posted - 2014.07.24 15:16:00 - [2] - Quote Wondered what happened to Cross ... he's been quiet as of late. He'll make a great CPM :-) Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 3661	Posted - 2014.07.24 15:35:00 - [3] - Quote I like that rave video Run, hide in fear while you can for the Amarr Scout is on the hunt! The eyes of God compelles you!!!
I-Shayz-I I----------I 4283	Posted - 2014.07.24 21:38:00 - [4] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: I like that rave video I think I lost like 10 subs from that... Made me hesitant to put out more destiny videos lol 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! List of Legion Feedback Threads!
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 34	Posted - 2014.07.24 21:45:00 - [5] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: I like that rave video I think I lost like 10 subs from that... Made me hesitant to put out more destiny videos lol don't worry bout haters. you do you and to hell with the rest If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
Baal Omniscient Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2008	Posted - 2014.07.25 01:19:00 - [6] - Quote Cross and I used to riff back and forth on Dust quite frequently back in closed beta and Chromosome.... I miss those days... when I felt free to dream as deeply as I wished to about Dust's future.... Cross Atu for CPM1 Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0
Aeon Amadi Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6417	Posted - 2014.07.25 01:23:00 - [7] - Quote Even if I don't make it onto the CPM1, I'd be happy if Cross Atu did. Useful Links Aeon Amadi for CPM1
Baal Omniscient Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2009	Posted - 2014.07.25 01:55:00 - [8] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Even if I don't make it onto the CPM1, I'd be happy if Cross Atu did. I'm confident both of you did, I'll be greatly surprised if one of you doesn't make it. Cross Atu for CPM1 Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0
I-Shayz-I I----------I 4287	Posted - 2014.07.25 05:29:00 - [9] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Even if I don't make it onto the CPM1, I'd be happy if Cross Atu did. Quite a few people actually wanted me to run but honestly, Cross and I have similar viewpoints on almost everything (My votematch was 98% towards him lol) No point in having two candidates with such similar viewpoints, but if you would have wanted me there, Cross is the guy you should be rooting for. 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! List of Legion Feedback Threads!
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 632	Posted - 2014.07.25 06:11:00 - [10] - Quote 17:00 in just about Cross makes a good point. It actually speaks to vehicles, if you skill into something why cant you call it out in a match? "Duvolle limit reached" "combat rifle limit reached" "Heavy machine gun limit reached" do you see how silly it is to limit someone who has spent time and effort building their character? Observe the public trust. Protect the innocent. Uphold the law.

I-Shayz-I I----------I 4287	Posted - 2014.07.25 06:28:00 - [11] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: 17:00 in just about Cross makes a good point. It actually speaks to vehicles, if you skill into something why cant you call it out in a match? "Duvolle limit reached" "combat rifle limit reached" "Heavy machine gun limit reached" do you see how silly it is to limit someone who has spent time and effort building their character? Yeah, I don't believe in limiting equipment like that but hopefully in Legion they'll be able to code something like "max nanohives dropped" and be able to track total nanohives dropped by a player rather than just per type of nanohive. Obviously the limit of the nanohive would still be in effect (once you drop the 3rd triage hive the first disappears) Even a limit of 10 would be plenty. If you use all 4 slots for nanohives you would get 2 for each proto hive and then 3 for the guaged. That's only 9 legit, but if you did happen to switch to another fitting at least you would have some buffer before your nanohives just start disappearing. Although I'd love to see equipment destruction increased from 5 to 10 at least to encourage players to actually take the time to take out uplinks and such. I mean as it is now you only get 100 wp for clearing out a room of 20 equipment...for how hard that can be sometimes and for how important it is to do, the rewards are way too little. 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! List of Legion Feedback Threads!
Aeon Amadi Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6421	Posted - 2014.07.25 06:46:00 - [12] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: 17:00 in just about Cross makes a good point. It actually speaks to vehicles, if you skill into something why cant you call it out in a match? "Duvolle limit reached" "combat rifle limit reached" "Heavy machine gun limit reached" do you see how silly it is to limit someone who has spent time and effort building their character? Dude, I can't tell you how [redacted] off I was when I heard they were seriously considering removing vehicles from Ambush (and now Ambush OMS). My opinion on that has not, and likely will never, change. I don't see a reason why a player should be exempt from certain game-modes because of their playstyle choice, especially when we went through so much trouble to allow them even footing (SP investment) with infantry. I understand that players wanted a game mode free of vehicles but to me it comes off as either acknowledging that vehicles were over-powered and taking the easy route or simply ignoring the fact that this is New Eden, where the battle isn't always going to be in your favor. But yanno, what's done is done and the majority of the community vouched for those changes... So, what can I say... Useful Links Aeon Amadi for CPM1
Aeon Amadi Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6421	Posted - 2014.07.25 06:48:00 - [13] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Even if I don't make it onto the CPM1, I'd be happy if Cross Atu did. I'm confident both of you did, I'll be greatly surprised if one of you doesn't make it. I didn't campaign nearly as hard as I should have, honestly. Been busy trying to stay alive as a freelance artist who's now having to pay for college. Wouldn't be surprised if I didn't make the cut. Kind of expect not too, actually. Useful Links Aeon Amadi for CPM1
I-Shayz-I I----------I 4287	Posted - 2014.07.25 08:27:00 - [14] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Even if I don't make it onto the CPM1, I'd be happy if Cross Atu did. I'm confident both of you did, I'll be greatly surprised if one of you doesn't make it. I didn't campaign nearly as hard as I should have, honestly. Been busy trying to stay alive as a freelance artist who's now having to pay for college. Wouldn't be surprised if I didn't make the cut. Kind of expect not too, actually. Pretty sure you were my number 3 spot. I felt that out of all the candidates (aside from Cross), no one running had made as many well written feedback posts on the forums here AND was a regular player in the game. A lot of candidates were great choices, but you stand out because of your presence here and in-game. While I wanted to mainly vote for the people I felt would do the best job (and not just the ones well known), you seem the most passionate and dedicated to the game. 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! List of Legion Feedback Threads!
Baal Omniscient Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2011	Posted - 2014.07.25 09:23:00 - [15] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: 17:00 in just about Cross makes a good point. It actually speaks to vehicles, if you skill into something why cant you call it out in a match? "Duvolle limit reached" "combat rifle limit reached" "Heavy machine gun limit reached" do you see how silly it is to limit someone who has spent time and effort building their character? While I do agree with this, unless they make tanks and dropships as easy to kill as dropsuits, as in 1-2 shots from AV (the pilot QQ would be earth shattering), this really cannot happen without ruining the game. Cross Atu for CPM1 Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 2585	Posted - 2014.07.25 09:25:00 - [16] - Quote Don't forget that limits exist on some assets due to the performance hit. Judge for CPM 1 Twitter @Judge_EVELegion
The True Inferno Myrmidon Syndicate 45	Posted - 2014.07.25 12:03:00 - [17] - Quote Just on the Amarr sidearm removel topic(yes the one that was summed up quite a while ago) I would just add multiple suit variants(like back in chromosome) so each of some of each racial logi would get one or two special variant suits apart from the basic logi setup, so for example, amarr would get a sidearm for losing an equipment for its variant, perhaps caldari would lose its equipment slot and gain a extra module slot, and maybe for minmatar they would lose their light weapons slot(swapped for a sidearm) for more CPU and pg/speed and a extra equipment slot. This would add a bit more to the game from its standard tiers. ScP = GÖÑ Recent fat scout (sentinel w/shotty and cin-cats)
I-Shayz-I I----------I 4290	Posted - 2014.07.25 15:44:00 - [18] - Quote WOOOO Cross made it in :D 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! List of Legion Feedback Threads!
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2629	Posted - 2014.07.25 16:26:00 - [19] - Quote I cringed every time he used Madrugrar, Which is indeed in the game however the Marauder tanks are not. I honestly wish that was posted before voting ended but looks like he made it anyway. Tanker/Logi
I-Shayz-I I----------I 4297	Posted - 2014.07.25 23:23:00 - [20] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: I cringed every time he used Madrugrar, Which is indeed in the game however the Marauder tanks are not. I honestly wish that was posted before voting ended but looks like he made it anyway. I think he's just confusing the name like I did with Lakitu for the longest time in Mario Kart Always called it La-TI-ku, not LAK-i-tu 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! List of Legion Feedback Threads!

Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 670	Posted - 2014.07.26 00:52:00 - [21] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Reign Omega wrote: 17:00 in just about Cross makes a good point. It actually speaks to vehicles, if you skill into something why cant you call it out in a match? "Duvolle limit reached" "combat rifle limit reached" "Heavy machine gun limit reached" do you see how silly it is to limit someone who has spent time and effort building their character? Dude, I can't tell you how [redacted] off I was when I heard they were seriously considering removing vehicles from Ambush (and now Ambush OMS). My opinion on that has not, and likely will never, change. I don't see a reason why a player should be exempt from certain game-modes because of their playstyle choice, especially when we went through so much trouble to allow them even footing (SP investment) with infantry. I understand that players wanted a game mode free of vehicles but to me it comes off as either acknowledging that vehicles were over-powered and taking the easy route or simply ignoring the fact that this is New Eden, where the battle isn't always going to be in your favor. But yanno, what's done is done and the majority of the community vouched for those changes... So, what can I say... I honestly think MLT tanks did this for Vehicles, every other type of vehicle is easy to kill at MLT and really isnt much of a threat with AV on the field, MLT tanks/mods/turrets were supremely overpowered as to what they offered VS what they required. When my vehicle alt had no infantry skills I spent Ambushes after the limit was introduced running around in circles because 2 bum MLT tanks got dropped off and they most likely would survive the whole match...it was mind blowing. Observe the public trust. Protect the innocent. Uphold the law.
I-Shayz-I I----------I 4351	Posted - 2014.07.30 03:41:00 - [22] - Quote bumping this for those that haven't seen it yet 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! List of Legion Feedback Threads!
Crazy Cat Lady Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 194	Posted - 2014.07.30 21:32:00 - [23] - Quote Cross Atu is dust logistics royalty. Congrats :) we are lucky to have you representing us.


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