DUST Search - Disappointment in Endorsement lists by candidates

Pokey Dravon wrote:

At the same time many of the candidates have spent a lot of time working together, discussing things, sharing thoughts in threads, and generally getting to know each other both in and out of game. That being said, Candidates probably have the most informed view when it comes to the other candidates. That being said, it is not unreasonable that as a candidate, one releases a list of who they think would be best suited for the job. It's their way of saying "Based off of everything that I know, these are the people who I think are best suited for the job." In fact I know many of us *agonized* over picking 7 people because there were just so many good choices and being restricted to 7.

The fact of the matter is that most of the candidates are very professional and don't get hung up one something like an endorsement. If someone doesn't endorse me but we both make it in, I'm enough of an adult to not be butthurt about it because an endorsement is simply a matter of opinion and everyone is entitled to have their own. Their opinion of my abilities has nothing to do with my actual abilities, nor my willingness to work with them on a professional level. If anything, I respect others with ideas that differ from mine even more, because that's what leads to good discussion.

So to come out and say that me expressing a rather well informed opinion is 'alienating' other candidates is completely off base. The fact of the matter is that I picked my top 7 and told people why. If my number 8-14 make it in, I'm still happy because there are a ton of very talented people out there who will do a great job regardless.

If someone honestly feels alienated because they didn't make someone's Top 7, then they probably shouldn't be running in the first place. This is CPM, not MySpace.

Only I can master the 4 races and bring balance to this galaxy - GJR The Last Clone bender

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Zion Shad ZionTCD Top Men. 2361	Posted - 2014.07.24 13:46:00 - [1] - Quote I posted this on 7-1-14 here https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2237586#post2237586 Zion Shad wrote: Lol of course I would throw my name in to it, I just won't be saying who else I'd be voting for. It would be Unfair to the candidates that I do not list. I do however want a diverse team were to pull many aspects and knowledge about the game. With 7 seats I believe we will have this. Go to the link to read the full thing if you wish, but it was in my post to the community about voting for a team. Since then I have seen Endorsement list by other candidate's and though you have the right to do it, I feel you are already causing division in a CPM that needs to be a team more then ever. There is 20 candidates and these lists of 7 means you are alienating the 13 others(whether you know it or not) and it disappoints me that anyone running would do that. Please bare this as a warning if you are elected to work together no matter what and help this game grow instead of dying out. What's done is done, but I wanted my view on it out there one last time and If Im a part of this CPM that soon to be announced Im saying now I will do my best to work with any team the community has chosen and I hold no ill feelings towards anyone (or any list). Thank you CPM1 Hopeful
Immortal John Ripper 22506	Posted - 2014.07.24 13:55:00 - [2] - Quote Voting is already over. Division or not CPM1 candidates have a right to have their voices heard. To discuss what they like in other candidates and what they do not like. The same right as every player on this forum has has. A right to voice their opinion and beliefs. If this causes division after CPM1 is elected than that is just immaturity on their part and they do not deserve to be CPM1. There is a reason for a candidate starting age limit. If there is a civil war in CPM1 due to this silly endorsement than I truly feel sorry for this game. I would like to believe that candidates will be mature enough to get past their differences when it gets right down to it and would like to see how they plan to work together. Only I can master the 4 races and bring balance to this galaxy - GJR The Last Clone bender I am the Alpha and the Omega
General John Ripper 22523	Posted - 2014.07.24 13:55:00 - [3] - Quote Voting is already over. Division or not CPM1 candidates have a right to have their voices heard. To discuss what they like in other candidates and what they do not like. The same right as every player on this forum has has. A right to voice their opinion and beliefs. If this causes division after CPM1 is elected than that is just immaturity on their part and they do not deserve to be CPM1. There is a reason for a candidate starting age limit. If there is a civil war in CPM1 due to this silly endorsement than I truly feel sorry for this game. I would like to believe that candidates will be mature enough to get past their differences when it gets right down to it and I would like to see how they plan to work together. Much of what you have said should not have to be said. Alienating others? People should not be afraid to debate and express their opinion on candidates. You cannot make everyone happy. Only I can master the 4 races and bring balance to this galaxy - GJR The Last Clone bender I am the Alpha and the Omega
Games Haven Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 227	Posted - 2014.07.24 14:17:00 - [4] - Quote Nobody even voted for secret candidate Hynox Xitio. The struggle is real.
Immortal John Ripper 22506	Posted - 2014.07.24 14:27:00 - [5] - Quote Games Haven wrote: Nobody even voted for secret candidate Hynox Xitio. I thought he was disqualified for actually being 3 years old. Only I can master the 4 races and bring balance to this galaxy - GJR The Last Clone bender I am the Alpha and the Omega
General John Ripper 22523	Posted - 2014.07.24 14:27:00 - [6] - Quote Games Haven wrote: Nobody even voted for secret candidate Hynox Xitio. I thought he was disqualified for actually being 3 years old. Only I can master the 4 races and bring balance to this galaxy - GJR The Last Clone bender I am the Alpha and the Omega
RYN0CER0S Rise Of Old Dudes 604	Posted - 2014.07.24 14:55:00 - [7] - Quote I reserved my votes for people who could actually help the game. (No ballots submitted.) PSN: The_Rynoceros Console Master Race "It's better to burn out, than fade away." ~Def Leppard
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2483	Posted - 2014.07.24 16:22:00 - [8] - Quote At the same time many of the candidates have spent a lot of time working together, discussing things, sharing thoughts in threads, and generally getting to know each other both in and out of game. That being said, Candidates probably have the most informed view when it comes to the other candidates. That being said, it is not unreasonable that as a candidate, one releases a list of who they think would be best suited for the job. It's their way of saying "Based off of everything that I know, these are the people who I think are best suited for the job." In fact I know many of us agonized over picking 7 people because there were just so many good choices and being restricted to 7. The fact of the matter is that most of the candidates are very professional and don't get hung up one something like an endorsement. If someone doesn't endorse me but we both make it in, I'm enough of an adult to not be butthurt about it because an endorsement is simply a matter of opinion and everyone is entitled to have their own. Their opinion of my abilities has nothing to do with my actual abilities, nor my willingness to work with them on a professional level. If anything, I respect others with ideas that differ from mine even more, because that's what leads to good discussion. So to come out and say that me expressing a rather well informed opinion is 'alienating' other candidates is completely off base. The fact of the matter is that I picked my top 7 and told people why. If my number 8-14 make it in, I'm still happy because there are a ton of very talented people out there who will do a great job regardless. If someone honestly feels alienated because they didn't make someone's Top 7, then they probably shouldn't be running in the first place. This is CPM, not MySpace. Like my ideas? Pokey Dravon for CPM1
Immortal John Ripper 22527	Posted - 2014.07.24 16:48:00 - [9] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: At the same time many of the candidates have spent a lot of time working together, discussing things, sharing thoughts in threads, and generally getting to know each other both in and out of game. That being said, Candidates probably have the most informed view when it comes to the other candidates. That being said, it is not unreasonable that as a candidate, one releases a list of who they think would be best suited for the job. It's their way of saying "Based off of everything that I know, these are the people who I think are best suited for the job." In fact I know many of us agonized over picking 7 people because there were just so many good choices and being restricted to 7. The fact of the matter is that most of the candidates are very professional and don't get hung up one something like an endorsement. If someone doesn't endorse me but we both make it in, I'm enough of an adult to not be butthurt about it because an endorsement is simply a matter of opinion and everyone is entitled to have their own. Their opinion of my abilities has nothing to do with my actual abilities, nor my willingness to work with them on a professional level. If anything, I respect others with ideas that differ from mine even more, because that's what leads to good discussion. So to come out and say that me expressing a rather well informed opinion is 'alienating' other candidates is completely off base. The fact of the matter is that I picked my top 7 and told people why. If my number 8-14 make it in, I'm still happy because there are a ton of very talented people out there who will do a great job regardless. If someone honestly feels alienated because they didn't make someone's Top 7, then they probably shouldn't be running in the first place. This is CPM, not MySpace. This is the kind of attitude I like to see in a CPM candidate. Only I can master the 4 races and bring balance to this galaxy - GJR The Last Clone bender I am the Alpha and the Omega
General John Ripper 22529	Posted - 2014.07.24 16:48:00 - [10] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: At the same time many of the candidates have spent a lot of time working together, discussing things, sharing thoughts in threads, and generally getting to know each other both in and out of game. That being said, Candidates probably have the most informed view when it comes to the other candidates. That being said, it is not unreasonable that as a candidate, one releases a list of who they think would be best suited for the job. It's their way of saying "Based off of everything that I know, these are the people who I think are best suited for the job." In fact I know many of us agonized over picking 7 people because there were just so many good choices and being restricted to 7. The fact of the matter is that most of the candidates are very professional and don't get hung up one something like an endorsement. If someone doesn't endorse me but we both make it in, I'm enough of an adult to not be butthurt about it because an endorsement is simply a matter of opinion and everyone is entitled to have their own. Their opinion of my abilities has nothing to do with my actual abilities, nor my willingness to work with them on a professional level. If anything, I respect others with ideas that differ from mine even more, because that's what leads to good discussion. So to come out and say that me expressing a rather well informed opinion is 'alienating' other candidates is completely off base. The fact of the matter is that I picked my top 7 and told people why. If my number 8-14 make it in, I'm still happy because there are a ton of very talented people out there who will do a great job regardless. If someone honestly feels alienated because they didn't make someone's Top 7, then they probably shouldn't be running in the first place. This is CPM, not MySpace. This is the kind of attitude I like to see in a CPM candidate. Only I can master the 4 races and bring balance to this galaxy - GJR The Last Clone bender I am the Alpha and the Omega

CEOPyrex CloneA The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 830	Posted - 2014.07.24 17:01:00 - [11] - Quote Good OP Lets see who wins Fun fact - i wrote out on a napkin in an airport diner a list of dudes i suspect will win - if that 'prophecy' comes true, we can kiss goodbye to any chance of being represented strongly and can say hello to a new game called 'THE CCP APPRENTICE' and watch each of these sprawling, mewing fucks try to dance and do tricks in front of CCP to hopefully get a job where they can own that prized black shirt and be paid sod all still....every cloud eh?.....:)
Killar-12 The Exemplars Top Men. 3023	Posted - 2014.07.24 19:34:00 - [12] - Quote CEOPyrex CloneA wrote: Good OP Lets see who wins Fun fact - i wrote out on a napkin in an airport diner a list of dudes i suspect will win - if that 'prophecy' comes true, we can kiss goodbye to any chance of being represented strongly and can say hello to a new game called 'THE CCP APPRENTICE' and watch each of these sprawling, mewing fucks try to dance and do tricks in front of CCP to hopefully get a job where they can own that prized black shirt and be paid sod all still....every cloud eh?.....:) Okay, YoutubeBanJoe... I am an Idiot, and so are you!
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2913	Posted - 2014.07.24 21:01:00 - [13] - Quote Pokey nailed it. I put out an endorsement list because my primary goal isn't "win a trip to Shanghai". My primary goal was "elect a great CPM". That doesn't just mean the seat that I want to fill, but that we get seven competent, communicative CPM members. So I endorsed the top six people besides myself I felt could fill those needs. Note that I didn't do any sort of negotiation or politicking on this. My list was determined without any expectation of placement on other people's lists. It was straight up the best people for the job, in my fairly well-informed opinion, based on months of conversations with the candidates. It's not to say that the ones who did not make the list will do a bad job (with a notable exception or two), but that the ones I picked will probably do the best. Supporting them means supporting a better CPM. If I am elected, I'll do my best to work with each and every CPM member, and I have no ill will towards the people who left me off their lists. Most notably, Dennie and I had nearly identical lists, except he wasn't on mine, and I wasn't on his. I complimented him on an excellent list, even though I wasn't on it, because obviously we share the same taste in CPM candidates, since we both picked the same six. ;) Furthermore, as an alliance leader, I was going to be putting out a suggested list anyways, as is common for alliances and corporations to do. Since you should assume everything you send to your alliance is basically public... it made no sense not to post it here as well. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 2909	Posted - 2014.07.24 21:05:00 - [14] - Quote CPM candidates... You know the campaign season is over right? Why must you continue these shenanigans? This is how a minja feels
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2913	Posted - 2014.07.24 21:19:00 - [15] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: You know the campaign season is over right? Why must you continue these shenanigans? So glad it is too. Been in this rat race for like seven months. o_o I'm just answering Zion Shad's thread, since I'm the dude who kinda kicked off the endorsement train this year. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 12181	Posted - 2014.07.24 21:24:00 - [16] - Quote CEOPyrex CloneA wrote: Good OP Lets see who wins Fun fact - i wrote out on a napkin in an airport diner a list of dudes i suspect will win - if that 'prophecy' comes true, we can kiss goodbye to any chance of being represented strongly and can say hello to a new game called 'THE CCP APPRENTICE' and watch each of these sprawling, mewing fucks try to dance and do tricks in front of CCP to hopefully get a job where they can own that prized black shirt and be paid sod all still....every cloud eh?.....:) OMNOMNOM Cynicism meter fully recharged. Thanks Pyrex...I have the will to continue whining about Amarr HAV now! "Your Faith stands as a shield for the Faithful, and you are one of His Angels." - Soren Tyrhannos to Templar Ouryon
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 12181	Posted - 2014.07.24 21:26:00 - [17] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Pokey nailed it. I put out an endorsement list because my primary goal isn't "win a trip to Shanghai". My primary goal was "elect a great CPM". That doesn't just mean the seat that I want to fill, but that we get seven competent, communicative CPM members. So I endorsed the top six people besides myself I felt could fill those needs. Note that I didn't do any sort of negotiation or politicking on this. My list was determined without any expectation of placement on other people's lists. It was straight up the best people for the job, in my fairly well-informed opinion, based on months of conversations with the candidates. It's not to say that the ones who did not make the list will do a bad job (with a notable exception or two), but that the ones I picked will probably do the best. Supporting them means supporting a better CPM. If I am elected, I'll do my best to work with each and every CPM member, and I have no ill will towards the people who left me off their lists. Most notably, Dennie and I had nearly identical lists, except he wasn't on mine, and I wasn't on his. I complimented him on an excellent list, even though I wasn't on it, because obviously we share the same taste in CPM candidates, since we both picked the same six. ;) Furthermore, as an alliance leader, I was going to be putting out a suggested list anyways, as is common for alliances and corporations to do. Since you should assume everything you send to your alliance is basically public... it made no sense not to post it here as well. Whether or not they got in on the little circle jerk that was you private skype channel has no bearing on whether or not they can do their job well. "Your Faith stands as a shield for the Faithful, and you are one of His Angels." - Soren Tyrhannos to Templar Ouryon
Michael Arck 4961	Posted - 2014.07.24 21:33:00 - [18] - Quote Immortal John Ripper wrote: Voting is already over. Division or not CPM1 candidates have a right to have their voices heard. To discuss what they like in other candidates and what they do not like. The same right as every player on this forum has has. A right to voice their opinion and beliefs. If this causes division after CPM1 is elected than that is just immaturity on their part and they do not deserve to be CPM1. There is a reason for a candidate starting age limit. If there is a civil war in CPM1 due to this silly endorsement than I truly feel sorry for this game. I would like to believe that candidates will be mature enough to get past their differences when it gets right down to it and I would like to see how they plan to work together. Much of what you have said should not have to be said. Alienating others? People should not be afraid to debate and express their opinion on candidates. You cannot make everyone happy. All that typed to excuse the fact people are playing the cool kids club game? Zion is making a fine point. The game of favorites that pollutes war room and GD should not be brought into the CPM. Is not about making people happy,. Its about uniformity. Any good leader knows that. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2913	Posted - 2014.07.24 22:09:00 - [19] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Whether or not they got in on the little circle jerk that was you private skype channel has no bearing on whether or not they can do their job well. Every candidate was invited to the channel. Every. One. Some did not show up, one publicly refused. The majority of the candidates not on my list were also in the channel. The fact that I've conversed with so many of the candidates so much in that channel just means I have a really good picture of who they are. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 6696	Posted - 2014.07.24 22:12:00 - [20] - Quote Vote Sgt Kirk for Anarchy Nevermind if that doesn't make sense, do it. see you space cowboy...

Zion Shad ZionTCD Top Men. 2361	Posted - 2014.07.24 22:12:00 - [21] - Quote Just as you have the right (and I stated this in OP) to voice your opnion about other candidates, I did the same. It just looks to me that the CPM was again chosen by people behind the scenes and behind the community's back. No matter how you suger coat it. That's all I have to say on it and wanted it out before the announcement. Good luck to all CPM1 Hopeful
Guiltless D667 59	Posted - 2014.07.24 22:13:00 - [22] - Quote Out of the 20 only 3 were worth a damn... A Strange Game. Crysis 514
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 12186	Posted - 2014.07.24 22:15:00 - [23] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: True Adamance wrote: Whether or not they got in on the little circle jerk that was you private skype channel has no bearing on whether or not they can do their job well. Every candidate was invited to the channel. Every. One. Some did not show up, one publicly refused. The majority of the candidates not on my list were also in the channel. The fact that I've conversed with so many of the candidates so much in that channel just means I have a really good picture of who they are. This is not a personal attack on you guys its merely me saying that I don't feel any of your endorsements really held merit when you were working so closely and in contact with the other candidates. To me it sounds more like an unspoken agreement on all your parts that you would endorse one another and drum up popular voter base by throwing all your names around a lot more. I did not vote for that 1 CPM you mentioned but I wish more of you CPM could have stood on your own, like him, rather than grouping up as you did. "Your Faith stands as a shield for the Faithful, and you are one of His Angels." - Soren Tyrhannos to Templar Ouryon
Immortal John Ripper 22541	Posted - 2014.07.24 22:15:00 - [24] - Quote Zion Shad wrote: Just as you have the right (and I stated this in OP) to voice your opnion about other candidates, I did the same. It just looks to me that the CPM was again chosen by people behind the scenes and behind the community's back. No matter how you suger coat it. That's all I have to say on it and wanted it out before the announcement. Good luck to all What proof do you have of this? Nobody knows who won yet, nor has any information been released. All you have to say? Sounds like the beginning of a bad rumor. Why did you run if you have so little faith in CCP cooperating with cpm? Only I can master the 4 races and bring balance to this galaxy - GJR The Last Clone bender I am the Alpha and the Omega
Michael Arck 4961	Posted - 2014.07.24 22:15:00 - [25] - Quote Cause you have conversations with people doesnt mean you have a good idea of who they are. Do you not remember when you stood representative of the PFC council while its members committed to a nefarious vision that you didnt share? You didnt realize till late but you held many meetings in that false front clueless to nature of man. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
Immortal John Ripper 22541	Posted - 2014.07.24 22:18:00 - [26] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Cause you have conversations with people doesnt mean you have a good idea of who they are. Do you not remember when you stood representative of the PFC council while its members committed to a nefarious vision that you didnt share? You didnt realize till late but you held many meetings in that false front clueless to nature of man. Who is this directed to? Only I can master the 4 races and bring balance to this galaxy - GJR The Last Clone bender I am the Alpha and the Omega
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2487	Posted - 2014.07.24 22:26:00 - [27] - Quote Zion Shad wrote: Just as you have the right (and I stated this in OP) to voice your opnion about other candidates, I did the same. It just looks to me that the CPM was again chosen by people behind the scenes and behind the community's back. No matter how you suger coat it. That's all I have to say on it and wanted it out before the announcement. Good luck to all No, the CPM is chosen by the voters. Who endorses who has zero bearing on who people actually choose to vote for. No one is forced to listen to my opinion, no one is forced to follow my choices. So no, the CPM wasn't chosen behind to the scenes because the candidates are not the only ones voting. Or are you implying that voters don't have a mind of their own? Like my ideas? Pokey Dravon for CPM1
Games Haven Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 233	Posted - 2014.07.24 22:47:00 - [28] - Quote Immortal John Ripper wrote: Games Haven wrote: Nobody even voted for secret candidate Hynox Xitio. I thought he was disqualified for actually being 3 years old. F**K ME HOW DID YOU KNOW. The struggle is real.
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 2582	Posted - 2014.07.24 23:30:00 - [29] - Quote A candidates goal for the CPM and the voters are not the same. A dishonest and weak minded person may claim they are, but it is a lie at best and upright and erect ignorance at worst. The players I have spoken to want to elect a strong CPM. The Honest candidates I have spoken too want to elect a strong CPM with them on it. These are not the same. My goal was to have a strong CPM with me on it. If this was not the case I would not have been a candidate. I did this because I really do know I can make a significant impact for the players as a member of the CPM. Any player can publish an endorsement list. As can a candidate. I did not do one as it is a waste of time. The other candidates have spent a lot of time defining themselves. I would encourage voters to look at the candidate in full themselves first, not after I may have tainted their view in an opinion post about who I will vote for. Tomorrow the chips will fall. There are words to be spoken between the elected. N.B I wanted to make sure if the voting process changed, like PS3 support got better, I would be able to film it... If I voted I could not make a new video to help people as you cannot go through the process if you have already voted..and then I forgot. sad face, Judge for CPM 1 Twitter @Judge_EVELegion
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2913	Posted - 2014.07.24 23:43:00 - [30] - Quote True Adamance wrote: To me it sounds more like an unspoken agreement on all your parts that you would endorse one another and drum up popular voter base by throwing all your names around a lot more. Such agreements are commonplace in CSM voting. It did not happen here. At least I can confirm it did not affect my list. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate



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