DUST Search - Seriously,what buffs are logis getting in charlie.

el OPERATOR wrote:

smh

The concerns we're having is the projected enivonmental conditions we will be in will be extremely difficult to survive in in, let alone thrive working, unless we basically brick the **** out of the fit. Bricktanking which then makes us even slower, hindering us moving with the squad, keeping the repper locked (which for some reason has become a real ***** lately), getting in and out cover to do the revives (which no one wants done unless the area has been fully cleared, but we're by increasing design NOT going to be to do) or running any forms of passive ewar ( precs or damp) etc etc etc.

This argument based on slots/slot counts is a red herring and misses the point.

The base stat values for logis currently are lacking. We manage, and many of us are productive because, yes, we balance the base shortfalls with module layouts. However, considering the base buffs that have been and will be granted to ALL the other frames, without some buff to our base as well the ONLY survivable fitting will be one that basically bricktanks! I CAN NOT rep you if I am DEAD! Uplinks will NOT be replenished if I am DEAD. Hives will not be deployed if I am DEAD! And the only, ONLY, way that I can be guaranteed to be protected as I am protecting YOU would be if :

1. My base stats are reflective of the environment and conditions I am expected to perform in

OR

2. Protection of the logistics class by all other roles is implicitly mandated by virtue of removal of ALL equipment slots from EVERY other class. If the redeeming virtue of logis which balances their lack in base stats is equipment then we should be the ONLY class capable of carrying it. Links, HIVs, Scanners, Reppers, PROXES AND RE's. Scouts can keep toting cloaks.

TL,DR- Small, buffing tweaks to logis' base stats (movement speed, db, sprint speed, ehp) can be done without inspiring their use as better assaults, will keep them evenly balanced for their role relative to the other roles/suits and is a better option than projected alternatives (total bricktanks next to useless from stacking or a substantial exodus from the role). Its not about wanting to slay or live forever. Its about not being 250k isk tissue paper tigers responsible for supporting 5+ others.


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taxi bastard jihad taxi co. 161	Posted - 2014.07.26 09:00:00 - [1] - Quote ok i read the QQ and to be frank its pure madness. at last assaults are going to become the medium frame of choice for combat orientated players and TRUE logistics players will not really be greatly affected as they will be busy doing the stuff they do best slightly behind the main line of their squad. in fact heavy's are getting a nerf and the scouts are continuing to be balanced down so against many suit types the logistics suit is actually getting stronger. you need to have a reasonable difference between the suits in combat performance in order to justify using an assault suit over a logistics suit. logistics suits have all the extra equipment slots to farm those WP though laying traps, supplying your team, repair and reviving your m8's, having such abilities must have a cost or why use the asault? look at scalling through tiers heavy +1 slot light +1 slot assault +2 slots logistics +3 slots ( 2 tank - 1 equipment) as you can see the logistics suits get the most from going up each tier of suit......which is huge! also due to the tanking slot layouts being the same the difference in EHP as a percentage between the logistics and assault reduces every level of suit you go up. the sad thing about me replying is that i am doing it because i honestly don't believe that it was a troll post that started this thread. If after the changes you cannot go in the top 3 every battle in an advanced suit with basic or advanced equipment as a real logi trust me its NOT the suit. this game is all about making isk and the logi suit is the suit to make it in. Oh and if you want to use an assault suit for certain situations change out to what suits what where and when diversity is a great thing.
taxi bastard jihad taxi co. 161	Posted - 2014.07.26 19:37:00 - [2] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: smh The concerns we're having is the projected enivonmental conditions we will be in will be extremely difficult to survive in in, let alone thrive working, unless we basically brick the ** out of the fit. Bricktanking which then makes us even slower, hindering us moving with the squad, keeping the repper locked (which for some reason has become a real *** lately), getting in and out cover to do the revives (which no one wants done unless the area has been fully cleared, but we're by increasing design NOT going to be to do) or running any forms of passive ewar ( precs or damp) etc etc etc. This argument based on slots/slot counts is a red herring and misses the point. The base stat values for logis currently are lacking. We manage, and many of us are productive because, yes, we balance the base shortfalls with module layouts. However, considering the base buffs that have been and will be granted to ALL the other frames, without some buff to our base as well the ONLY survivable fitting will be one that basically bricktanks! I CAN NOT rep you if I am DEAD! Uplinks will NOT be replenished if I am DEAD. Hives will not be deployed if I am DEAD! And the only, ONLY, way that I can be guaranteed to be protected as I am protecting YOU would be if : 1. My base stats are reflective of the environment and conditions I am expected to perform in OR 2. Protection of the logistics class by all other roles is implicitly mandated by virtue of removal of ALL equipment slots from EVERY other class. If the redeeming virtue of logis which balances their lack in base stats is equipment then we should be the ONLY class capable of carrying it. Links, HIVs, Scanners, Reppers, PROXES AND RE's. Scouts can keep toting cloaks. TL,DR- Small, buffing tweaks to logis' base stats (movement speed, db, sprint speed, ehp) can be done without inspiring their use as better assaults, will keep them evenly balanced for their role relative to the other roles/suits and is a better option than projected alternatives (total bricktanks next to useless from stacking or a substantial exodus from the role). Its not about wanting to slay or live forever. Its about not being 250k isk tissue paper tigers responsible for supporting 5+ others. how about a buff to base EHP and a reduction of high/low slots? so 200 more EHP (after passive skills so 160 before passives) at the cost of 2 high/lows? this will give you the bennifits of bricktanking without the drawbacks (i.e. loss of speed, slower regen ect) and as a result will also reduce fitting costs (isk) at the cost of fitting versatility. i cannot support logistics suits having the same or close EHP to a tanked assault. the lines are too blurred and no one will use the assault class.