I'm just not going to bother with this one, any takers?

Your posting Meee One reminds me of what Light and Heavy Frame users ended up going through most of 2013. Do not expect an answer. CCP is notorious for being oblivious. In the Eve Online game they had an exploit involving Moon Mining, it was negatively effecting the economy, it was widely know about by the time they solved it years later.

1. Logistic Frames are going to return to something like they were in Chromesome. 2.It's going to suck. 3.Don't expect a fix. 4.Just try not to laugh too hard when CCP balances things out by taking away the Equipment slot from Assaults.

nope this poor sap can HTFU. i have been in a under powered assault suit my whole dust life so i don't want to hear jack **** about how assaults will be better slayer suits then logis. just put down your uplink so i can spawn in and kill the things then give me some ammo. if your still trying to be a slayer logi then you don't understand dust.

What you are basically saying here is that you want the Logistics suits to have better stats for survivability?

If this is so

What you see as survivability, 90% of the rest of DUST sees as "Oh yeah, I can slay in that."

Because of the Gal and Cal "Logi Slayer" spam that was 1.6, when 80% of the competitive players in Dust switched to logi classes to be slayers, the logistics class will never again be buffed outside of extra eHP

Simply because of the amount of equipment a logistics player can carry is so high

Any buff would make them viable to just tank with 900 armor again and sit in 8 rep hives and be able to take on whole squads on their own

This is why logi stats are so low

And this is why logi stats will continue to be so low

You ***** about assault suits getting a buff

When they basically had were the same stats as a logistics suit to begin with and only 1 equipment slot

Assault suits stats were BARELY over that of logi suits, and had no real role or monetary value at all to the team, and also couldn't even fit barely any proto gear on Cal and Min assaults

Case closed

Do you even play logistics in a squad?

" Flee and survive"?

If your playing logistics as a support role (as is intended)

You should always be around your squad mates in which you should never have to "Flee" as you should ALWAYS be in 2 vs 1 situations

You say Assaults will always out-tank you

Well DUH

The assault suit is a run into the front lines suit

One of the last "Lone wolf" suits left

They don't have any cover or support or very much regen

While with 3 or 4 equip slots ANY logistics player can get WELL over 1000 eHP PLUS Enough healing equipment to make Steven Hawking walk again

You say you want "Speed and regen" if assault suits get eHP

You act like an extra 150 eHP matters over speed and regen

CCP gave scouts "Speed and regen"

AND LOOK WHAT HAPPENED!

As it stands, after Charlie, logis will STILL have a 2 second faster average shield recharge time, 15% faster hacking, 33% farther scanning distance, AND 10% better scan precision than an assault suit

Assault will be faster, more possible eHP, and more stamina (Slayer bonuses, all of them)

If ANYTHING needs to be given to logis, its that they need a lower scan profile and increased scan precision for better E-war fittings

MAYBE a 5 HP/s shield recharge bonus IF the assault recharges get a buff

Otherwise no, logis are fine where they are, its more about skill and awareness when being a logi more than anything

I see something that's wrong ...

It shouldn't take three point-blank shotgun blasts to kill a f*cking medic.
It should take two.

You have given no valid reason but your own opinion of why they should based on what you think about the numbers.

You then repeatedly call people stupid.

Looking good mate, carry on.

Logis don't need to be buffed.

Calling people dumb really doesn't help your case either.

I have both min assault and logi. My best logi fit has around 800 eHP and nearly all proto equipment. This suit is an absolute monster when supporting your squad like you are supposed to. Drop links for heavies to spawn on, drop ammo for everyone, scan the field, and latch on to your heavies. None of these actions require you to have higher speed, regen, or hp. In fact if you as a logistics are taking high amounts of damage from direct fire, you're doing it wrong. You job is to support.

The assault on the other hand has to get in there and engage the enemy. This means dealing with hmg 1500 hp heavies. Dancing with shotgun scouts. Fending of other assaults. Assaults need high speed, hp and regen to do these things with minimal eWar or logistic support. That is their role.

The logi is currently a very important role in PC as much so as heavies and scouts. A single logi can make 2 heavies seem like 4. Point is, this tells me that the role is in a good place and is balanced currently.

Logis don't need to be buffed.

No not that, its just that your opinion on what you think about them is just an opinion.

There's no debate on the numbers.

Your opinion is as worthless as mine but your hype about how gimped they are is exactly that, just a hype.

You are making out like they are going to get annihilated.

Ok Meee One, now I'm pretty sure you are just trolling.

People not reviving you because you are a logi?

People ignoring objectives and chasing you into the redline because you are a logi?

Singling you out with orbitals?

Made me laugh.

Logis do need a buff because as people have pointed out, they shouldn't be slaying, they should be logi-ing. This means that they don't have the luxury of fighting back all the time, should they be engaged. They need high health, medium regen, slow speed compared to other medium suits. Assaults should be fast regen, medium health, medium speed.

Now, about slayer logis. What makes a suit a "slayer"? The ability to kill more often than other types of suits. The reason we had slayer logis in the first place was because there wasn't a suit built around slaying. Assaults had no bonuses around slaying for a long time (shield recharge on a Gallente assault, anyone remember that?) I outline here my idea for helping the assault suit be the slayer suit, as they are intended to be. Highlights include:

1. Assaults get the 2% light/sidearm damage per level that commandos have. ommandos get 20% incrased mag size and max ammo per level.

2. Assaults get a bonus to their racial weapon, and possibly a bonus to racial tank, if need be.

3. Assaults lose their equipment slot.

These changes, which go into more detail in my thread, allow assaults to be better slayers, while giving up their equipment slot so that they must rely on the logi for ammo, reps, links, etc. The logi relies on the assaults to protect it, since it has no bonuses to weapon damage, and thus cannot go toe to toe with another assault suit. This creates a mutual reliance on each other where the whole squad is more powerful than the sum of its parts.