I'm partial to proto stomping but it is a huge problem. I think its safe to say that we might well have triple or more the players if 99% of them weren't literally stomped out of the game.

The general consensus is........

We don't want to be locked into tiered battles.

Matchmaking simply won't work as there's not enough players.

Wp/d ratio matchmaking (I really like this but doesn't stop the isk disparity between vets and newer players).



So for me, this boils down to the fact that vets like me can spam proto rain or shine while newer players by default, can't even fight back. They simply can't afford the level of try hard that we can achieve.

Not only that but if it was cheaper, younger corps could have fun while they save up for PC and get to practice using their proto.

I propose that proto costs are lowered, us vets will always stomp and we are not going to stop using what we have spent over a year getting at the behest of 'fair fights'.

The price only stops newer players from fighting back, its doesn't stop vets from spamming and never will. Bastards like me take it a step further and spam proto aurum to save isk, because we can.

What sparked this?,.

Iv known this for ages but I just went 34/0 against a stacked squad, I literally downed their whole squad in one sitting a few times and although I'm consistently good whatever the situation, I'm not the best by far.

Its not because they were crap, but because they didn't have the isk to fund their proto to fight back and I could tell that they really wanted to win even though it was a pub match. I am an amarr assault with viziam scp and scr to name one of the setups I run.

One of them was doing OK until I killed him so he had to revert to mlt gear because his one suit costed him. I could have died 100 times in full proto and not batted an eyelid. He demonstrated that gear does matter a lot more than people make out. It was not a stacked stomp either, just me.

If it was such the non factor that people propose, then I suggest its proven by running starter/mlt gear in PC with mlt/std mods against COMPETENT players that are running full proto and see how little it matters then.

Now imagine me and 5 buddies.......this is the general norm or its a proto squad aside that sees every other player in between as just fodder and meat shields that add to our payments at the end of the match.

It doesn't seem to matter at which way the game is changed, us vets will always have the isk. Lowering the price is a buff to the newbs and doesn't make a difference to vets because we have enough isk forever and the means to obtain it cost free (bpos).


I love a good stomp, but it has to stop.

Some common arguments and what I think of them are........

1. I run an mlt light frame and do well.

Yes well when 90% of the players on the field don't know you are there then obviously you'll do well, hence the people who bring a knife to a gun fight. You either have never played PC or get lucky bashing fresh academy newbs.

2. Proto should only be used for PC, ban it from pubs.

That maybe so but its not and locking proto out of pubs means that a lot of newer players may never even get to use it. The game also doesn't offer anything that makes proto special except that it costs a lot.

3. I have used std/mlt in PC, git gud.

Yeah so have I, against crap teams. Anything works well against scrubs and that doesn't even really relate to this topic.

4. Newbs should earn their place.

This one is the golden cup of bs because the game offers nothing that warrants new players to stay in the game and put up with getting stomped right now.

5. There will be too much proto.

Kind of but there'd be more on both teams and thus 'fairer fights'

6. They just need to git gud.

That's very hard to do when you get one/two shotted every 5 mins.

7.Protostomping is hardly ever a factor as it once was. I feel like people are saying that without actually playing the game. Protostomping was more frequent before the announcement of Legion. I could see it then. Now? Not so much.

Just because you are not seeing it, doesn't mean it's not happening. I have been seeing it loads, point mooted.