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ShamelessALT
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.20 00:27:00 -
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Since the Amarr Logis is losing its sidearm slot it is no longer feasible or even sane to run LR or ScR on my logi. So which is more OP CR or RR?
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Michael Arck
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Posted - 2014.07.20 00:28:00 -
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CR. Thank me later.
Archistrategos
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
3087
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Posted - 2014.07.20 00:29:00 -
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Why isn't it sane? Couldn't you fit a Fitting Power mod?
ScR right there for you.
They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank!
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact
Gentlemen's.Club
4659
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Posted - 2014.07.20 00:29:00 -
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ShamelessALT wrote:Since the Amarr Logis is losing its sidearm slot it is no longer feasible or even sane to run LR or ScR on my logi. So which is more OP CR or RR?
Is was never really feasible to run ether LR or ScR on the amarr logi, pre patch or after...
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ShamelessALT
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.07.20 00:35:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:ShamelessALT wrote:Since the Amarr Logis is losing its sidearm slot it is no longer feasible or even sane to run LR or ScR on my logi. So which is more OP CR or RR? Is was never really feasible to run ether LR or ScR on the amarr logi, pre patch or after...
While the ScR and LR really shine on the commando and assault they are still great weapons if you play to their advantages. that is IF you have a sidearm for those times when you get your gun too hot. this is no longer so
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Cody Sietz
SVER True Blood
Dark Taboo
3648
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Posted - 2014.07.20 00:41:00 -
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They aren't losing it anymore thanks to complaints.
But don't worry, you still get to keep the buffs.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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ShamelessALT
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.07.20 00:51:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:They aren't losing it anymore thanks to complaints.
But don't worry, you still get to keep the buffs.
WRONG!!! Please upgrade your reading skills and try again...
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
1589
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Posted - 2014.07.20 00:54:00 -
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Use a ScR
**** is OP until you meet a heavy with an HMG
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
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KING CHECKMATE
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
5367
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Posted - 2014.07.20 01:00:00 -
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ShamelessALT wrote:Since the Amarr Logis is losing its sidearm slot it is no longer feasible or even sane to run LR or ScR on my logi. So which is more OP CR or RR?
People Underestimate the AR. A LOT.
I would go with a Duvolle, but regarding your question? CR or ACR.
Stealth Storm
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Cody Sietz
SVER True Blood
Dark Taboo
3649
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Posted - 2014.07.20 01:45:00 -
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Please read the new update
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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ShamelessALT
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.20 01:49:00 -
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I'll believe it when the spreadsheet changes...
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Dauth Jenkins
Merc-0107
555
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Posted - 2014.07.20 01:54:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Use a ScR
**** is OP until you meet a heavy with an HMG
So the first minute of the match when everyone is running into the city with scouts, before they switch over
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ShamelessALT
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.07.20 10:56:00 -
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still no change in the slot layout spread sheet so far the CR has the most votes if nothing else changes I will be skilling into that as it is considered most OP ATM...
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Harpyja
Legio DXIV
2120
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Posted - 2014.07.20 13:43:00 -
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BK-42.
"By His light, and His will"- The Scriptures, 12:32
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Leeroy Gannarsein
Legio DXIV
538
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Posted - 2014.07.20 13:47:00 -
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Duvolle is better than Six Kin IMO.
It would seem like wisdom, but for the warning in my heart...
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Arcturis Vanguard
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
Dark Taboo
195
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Posted - 2014.07.20 14:18:00 -
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The correct answer is galscout.
Amarr Heavy V
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Lynn Beck
Fooly Cooly.
Anime Empire.
2069
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Posted - 2014.07.20 17:06:00 -
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Slayerlogi shows his real colors?
I think so.
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ShamelessALT
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.07.20 18:52:00 -
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Lynn Beck wrote:Slayerlogi shows his real colors?
I think so.
more like my bonus doesn't work when im dead soooo you may now feel stupid at your own leisure i suggest right now xD
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B145PH3M3R
The Southern Legion
Final Resolution.
26
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Posted - 2014.07.20 18:56:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:ShamelessALT wrote:Since the Amarr Logis is losing its sidearm slot it is no longer feasible or even sane to run LR or ScR on my logi. So which is more OP CR or RR? People Underestimate the AR. A LOT.
I would go with a Duvolle, but regarding your question? CR or ACR.
Dont go for the AR if you already specced ScR. The Assault Scr is just as good. Go for the CR. |
B145PH3M3R
The Southern Legion
Final Resolution.
26
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Posted - 2014.07.20 18:59:00 -
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His link is newer than yours. Amarr logis are losing their sidearm still at this time. |
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TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
221
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Posted - 2014.07.20 19:00:00 -
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ShamelessALT wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:ShamelessALT wrote:Since the Amarr Logis is losing its sidearm slot it is no longer feasible or even sane to run LR or ScR on my logi. So which is more OP CR or RR? Is was never really feasible to run ether LR or ScR on the amarr logi, pre patch or after... While the ScR and LR really shine on the commando and assault they are still great weapons if you play to their advantages. that is IF you have a sidearm for those times when you get your gun too hot. this is no longer so
The heat is the Drawback... Hell I run Scramblers on my Caldari logi you just have to not spam it like a ****** and you will be fine. If you can't use a ScR without a sidearm your gun game is the problem not the gun, it's actually the most ammo to damage efficient weapon in the game making it ideal for logis with no sidearm. If you overheat the gun you can't swap to a sidearm anyways. |
R-E-D-R-U-M
WRONG-TURN
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Posted - 2014.07.20 19:01:00 -
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ShamelessALT wrote:Since the Amarr Logis is losing its sidearm slot it is no longer feasible or even sane to run LR or ScR on my logi. So which is more OP CR or RR?
I prefer my fusion rifle 51hp per shot. It is kind of like a burst rifle on steroids. Rapid bursts. Has one heck of a kick though.
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ShamelessALT
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.07.20 19:04:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:ShamelessALT wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:ShamelessALT wrote:Since the Amarr Logis is losing its sidearm slot it is no longer feasible or even sane to run LR or ScR on my logi. So which is more OP CR or RR? Is was never really feasible to run ether LR or ScR on the amarr logi, pre patch or after... While the ScR and LR really shine on the commando and assault they are still great weapons if you play to their advantages. that is IF you have a sidearm for those times when you get your gun too hot. this is no longer so The heat is the Drawback... Hell I run Scramblers on my Caldari logi you just have to not spam it like a ****** and you will be fine. If you can't use a ScR without a sidearm your gun game is the problem not the gun, it's actually the most ammo to damage efficient weapon in the game making it ideal for logis with no sidearm. If you overheat the gun you can't swap to a sidearm anyways.
try holding a group of reds back while protecting your uplinks so your squad can spawn in take the point with JUST a ScR then get back to me...
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Thumb Green
The Valyrian Guard
1134
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Posted - 2014.07.20 19:06:00 -
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It depends on which you prefer, staying back or getting close. Because if you try to stay back then the RR is what you want but if you are getting closer than 60 meters then the CR is what you want. The AR is still a good choice if you're always up close but I'd still take the CR over the AR and I've got the AR completely maxed while I've just finally got the the CR to op 5.
Can't say I'm all that surprised.
I've been drinking and may be drunk.... probably like most dust players.
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TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
221
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Posted - 2014.07.20 19:08:00 -
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ShamelessALT wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:ShamelessALT wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:ShamelessALT wrote:Since the Amarr Logis is losing its sidearm slot it is no longer feasible or even sane to run LR or ScR on my logi. So which is more OP CR or RR? Is was never really feasible to run ether LR or ScR on the amarr logi, pre patch or after... While the ScR and LR really shine on the commando and assault they are still great weapons if you play to their advantages. that is IF you have a sidearm for those times when you get your gun too hot. this is no longer so The heat is the Drawback... Hell I run Scramblers on my Caldari logi you just have to not spam it like a ****** and you will be fine. If you can't use a ScR without a sidearm your gun game is the problem not the gun, it's actually the most ammo to damage efficient weapon in the game making it ideal for logis with no sidearm. If you overheat the gun you can't swap to a sidearm anyways. try holding a group of reds back while protecting your uplinks so your squad can spawn in take the point with JUST a ScR then get back to me...
Try doing that with any weapon. Expecting to take on the world does not for balance make. You're a logi, that was the trade off, you are the one that sets up the base of operations and make a huge difference because of this. The fact that you can also hold off droves of players solo is a broken aspect. That said, you can hold off bad players indefinitely I do it all the time with a scrambler logi. It's still your gun game if you can't be effective, the rest of the logis had to learn to make due just because your spoiled ass didn't for CCP's glue huffing sessions of balance doesn't mean you deserved a sidearm. It's like tankers whining that they can't take one 7 avers anymore like they did in 1.7. |
ShamelessALT
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.07.20 19:10:00 -
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R-E-D-R-U-M wrote:ShamelessALT wrote:Since the Amarr Logis is losing its sidearm slot it is no longer feasible or even sane to run LR or ScR on my logi. So which is more OP CR or RR? I prefer my fusion rifle 51hp per shot. It is kind of like a burst rifle on steroids. Rapid bursts. Has one heck of a kick though.
I know Im using a void damage one on my warlock atm.
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843-Vika
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
93
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Posted - 2014.07.20 19:13:00 -
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ShamelessALT wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:ShamelessALT wrote:Since the Amarr Logis is losing its sidearm slot it is no longer feasible or even sane to run LR or ScR on my logi. So which is more OP CR or RR? Is was never really feasible to run ether LR or ScR on the amarr logi, pre patch or after... While the ScR and LR really shine on the commando and assault they are still great weapons if you play to their advantages. that is IF you have a sidearm for those times when you get your gun too hot. this is no longer so
but when a weapon over heats you can't switch it out until it cools down again........proto laser rifle and ScR user...so i talk from experience |
Crimson ShieId
Psygod9
677
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Posted - 2014.07.20 19:13:00 -
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Take it from someone who has operations lv5, sharpshooter 3, and proficiency 3 on Combat Rifles... Go with the Rail Rifles. The CR's are amazing and all, but considering how large most of the maps on Dust are, the Rail Rifles are so much better. While the CR's can only do close range well and medium range effectively, the RR's can do close, medium, and long range, all relatively well. Yea, the recoil is ever so slightly harder to control, but unless you really really like the way the CR's feel (I know I do, the recoil on them actually makes them feel like a Battlefield weapon) just go with the RR's. They're much more versatile and you won't find yourself wishing you had a longer optimal range with them like you will with the CR's.
As for everyone saying the ACR is OP, the AR's have the exact same DPS now I believe. It's mostly just a slight range difference and the fact that everyone armor tanks more often then not.
Nova Knives are best sidearm.
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ShamelessALT
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.07.20 19:16:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Try doing that with any weapon. Expecting to take on the world does not for balance make. You're a logi, that was the trade off, you are the one that sets up the base of operations and make a huge difference because of this. The fact that you can also hold off droves of players solo is a broken aspect. That said, you can hold off bad players indefinitely I do it all the time with a scrambler logi. It's still your gun game if you can't be effective, the rest of the logis had to learn to make due just because your spoiled ass didn't for CCP's glue huffing sessions of balance doesn't mean you deserved a sidearm. It's like tankers whining that they can't take on 7 avers anymore like they did in 1.7.
while i find your hyperbole most amusing it DOES NOT change the fact that:
A) if you are dead your uplinks dont get their bonus making them sh*t
B) NO ONE will spawn on a sh*t uplink
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TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
221
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Posted - 2014.07.20 19:20:00 -
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ShamelessALT wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Try doing that with any weapon. Expecting to take on the world does not for balance make. You're a logi, that was the trade off, you are the one that sets up the base of operations and make a huge difference because of this. The fact that you can also hold off droves of players solo is a broken aspect. That said, you can hold off bad players indefinitely I do it all the time with a scrambler logi. It's still your gun game if you can't be effective, the rest of the logis had to learn to make due just because your spoiled ass didn't for CCP's glue huffing sessions of balance doesn't mean you deserved a sidearm. It's like tankers whining that they can't take on 7 avers anymore like they did in 1.7. while i find your hyperbole most amusing it DOES NOT change the fact that: A) if you are dead your uplinks dont get their bonus making them sh*t B) NO ONE will spawn on a sh*t uplink
In response to A)
This is an issue with the logi bonus for amarr being another glue huffing symptom *BUT* Amarr logis have had a sidearm for a long time and this is in no way a good argument that "I should be unstoppable cuz mah buff" roll with a squad then.
in response to B)
That is a personal problem. Don't put uplinks in ****** places, I have no problems getting people to spawn on my uplinks but I don't put them in "******" places.
All of your whining is because you are bad and should feel bad, that is all. |
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ShamelessALT
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.07.20 19:39:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:ShamelessALT wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Try doing that with any weapon. Expecting to take on the world does not for balance make. You're a logi, that was the trade off, you are the one that sets up the base of operations and make a huge difference because of this. The fact that you can also hold off droves of players solo is a broken aspect. That said, you can hold off bad players indefinitely I do it all the time with a scrambler logi. It's still your gun game if you can't be effective, the rest of the logis had to learn to make due just because your spoiled ass didn't for CCP's glue huffing sessions of balance doesn't mean you deserved a sidearm. It's like tankers whining that they can't take on 7 avers anymore like they did in 1.7. while i find your hyperbole most amusing it DOES NOT change the fact that: A) if you are dead your uplinks dont get their bonus making them sh*t B) NO ONE will spawn on a sh*t uplink In response to A) This is an issue with the logi bonus for amarr being another glue huffing symptom *BUT* Amarr logis have had a sidearm for a long time and this is in no way a good argument that "I should be unstoppable cuz mah buff" roll with a squad then. in response to B) That is a personal problem. Don't put uplinks in ****** places, I have no problems getting people to spawn on my uplinks but I don't put them in "******" places. All of your whining is because you are bad and should feel bad, that is all.
You call it whining in a pathetic attempt to detract from its validity but I'm willing to bet that most if not ALL Amarr Logis will agree that the sidearm in exchange for a equip slot is fine
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TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
222
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Posted - 2014.07.20 19:52:00 -
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ShamelessALT wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:ShamelessALT wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Try doing that with any weapon. Expecting to take on the world does not for balance make. You're a logi, that was the trade off, you are the one that sets up the base of operations and make a huge difference because of this. The fact that you can also hold off droves of players solo is a broken aspect. That said, you can hold off bad players indefinitely I do it all the time with a scrambler logi. It's still your gun game if you can't be effective, the rest of the logis had to learn to make due just because your spoiled ass didn't for CCP's glue huffing sessions of balance doesn't mean you deserved a sidearm. It's like tankers whining that they can't take on 7 avers anymore like they did in 1.7. while i find your hyperbole most amusing it DOES NOT change the fact that: A) if you are dead your uplinks dont get their bonus making them sh*t B) NO ONE will spawn on a sh*t uplink In response to A) This is an issue with the logi bonus for amarr being another glue huffing symptom *BUT* Amarr logis have had a sidearm for a long time and this is in no way a good argument that "I should be unstoppable cuz mah buff" roll with a squad then. in response to B) That is a personal problem. Don't put uplinks in ****** places, I have no problems getting people to spawn on my uplinks but I don't put them in "******" places. All of your whining is because you are bad and should feel bad, that is all. You call it whining in a pathetic attempt to detract from its validity but I'm willing to bet that most if not ALL Amarr Logis will agree that the sidearm in exchange for a equip slot is fine
Then what is the purpose of this thread? As it was already pointed out you could never switch to a sidearm if you overheat anyways. This thread was a poor attempt to hide behind RP elements as to why you should keep a sidearm unlike all the other logis. This sort of thing is why this game has had balance issues from the get go because people like you claim "My amarr weapon is useless on my amarr" and I'm saying NO, No sir! I use your useless amarr weapon without a sidearm all the time, you're just whining. |
Reign Omega
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
591
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Posted - 2014.07.20 19:52:00 -
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The suit is fine in different ways, both ways. Without a sidearm you lose a bit of late game stopping power, or the occasional "Oh ****" button, in favor of not having to be so picky with your fittings based on equipment slots. With a sidearm you can be a bit more careless with ammo and reloads, but have to have exactly what you need in your Eq at all times. I had Amarr logi pre dropsuit respec and it was tons of fun and versatile, I regretted going Cal almost immediately. If they remove the sidearm I wont feel so bad because the bonuses are meh for Cal and Amarr tbh.
Also, The CR is solid from the ground up, you can run it at any tier and have stopping power on hand. Not sure about the RR I dont really run them. The ScR is pretty viable still if you tap those heads.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
12043
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Posted - 2014.07.20 19:59:00 -
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ShamelessALT wrote:Since the Amarr Logis is losing its sidearm slot it is no longer feasible or even sane to run LR or ScR on my logi. So which is more OP CR or RR?
Why would you not run as ScR?
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ShamelessALT
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2014.07.20 20:00:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:ShamelessALT wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:ShamelessALT wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Try doing that with any weapon. Expecting to take on the world does not for balance make. You're a logi, that was the trade off, you are the one that sets up the base of operations and make a huge difference because of this. The fact that you can also hold off droves of players solo is a broken aspect. That said, you can hold off bad players indefinitely I do it all the time with a scrambler logi. It's still your gun game if you can't be effective, the rest of the logis had to learn to make due just because your spoiled ass didn't for CCP's glue huffing sessions of balance doesn't mean you deserved a sidearm. It's like tankers whining that they can't take on 7 avers anymore like they did in 1.7. while i find your hyperbole most amusing it DOES NOT change the fact that: A) if you are dead your uplinks dont get their bonus making them sh*t B) NO ONE will spawn on a sh*t uplink In response to A) This is an issue with the logi bonus for amarr being another glue huffing symptom *BUT* Amarr logis have had a sidearm for a long time and this is in no way a good argument that "I should be unstoppable cuz mah buff" roll with a squad then. in response to B) That is a personal problem. Don't put uplinks in ****** places, I have no problems getting people to spawn on my uplinks but I don't put them in "******" places. All of your whining is because you are bad and should feel bad, that is all. You call it whining in a pathetic attempt to detract from its validity but I'm willing to bet that most if not ALL Amarr Logis will agree that the sidearm in exchange for a equip slot is fine Then what is the purpose of this thread? As it was already pointed out you could never switch to a sidearm if you overheat anyways. This thread was a poor attempt to hide behind RP elements as to why you should keep a sidearm unlike all the other logis. This sort of thing is why this game has had balance issues from the get go because people like you claim "My amarr weapon is useless on my amarr" and I'm saying NO, No sir! I use your useless amarr weapon without a sidearm all the time, you're just whining.
The purpose of this thread is to find out the most OP light weapon so if CCP Rattatai doesnt see reason I will still be able to supply my bonused uplinks after my suit gets castrated.
P.S. I can smell the stench of your anti Amarr bias all the way over here so if you don't know which is the most OP weapon kindly see your way out of this discussion slave...
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B145PH3M3R
The Southern Legion
Final Resolution.
27
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Posted - 2014.07.20 20:04:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:ShamelessALT wrote:Since the Amarr Logis is losing its sidearm slot it is no longer feasible or even sane to run LR or ScR on my logi. So which is more OP CR or RR? Why would you not run as ScR?
The scr is by far the best 1v1 weapon, but in 1vGroup or GroupvGroup, I would rather have any other rifle if I could only have one weapon. Since dust is mostly GroupvGroup, it really doesnt make sense to run a ScR on a no sidearm suit. The scr will stay on my assault, but I too will probably spec a CR to go with my new gallente logi. The amarr logi is getting put in the closet. |
TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
223
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Posted - 2014.07.20 20:33:00 -
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ShamelessALT wrote: The purpose of this thread is to find out the most OP light weapon so if CCP Rattatai doesnt see reason I will still be able to supply my bonused uplinks after my suit gets castrated.
P.S. I can smell the stench of your anti Amarr bias all the way over here so if you don't know which is the most OP weapon kindly see your way out of this discussion slave...
Starting the RP bullshit are we? I knew I had you pegged. If you want to know what weapon is good at what well look no further I use all of them.
As far as rifles go, Combat Rifle has good versatility but also has terrible damage/ammo efficiency so you will want to carry a nanohive as you will eat right through it, it also will get outclassed at range by pretty much everything but the assault rifle. The Rail Rifle climbs much more harshly and sprays when fired at the hip much like the scrambler rifle but it has great optimal range only bested by the laser rifle. But according to your criteria id say the Combat Rifle is your best bet since you don't want a ScR. Just know in long range engagements you will get wrecked by most the rifles and in close range engagements an assault rifle can mow you down.
The ScR is still king of Alpha damage and ammo efficiency but if you just absolutely have to throw your pity parade roll a CR. Instead of overheating or waiting to not overheat you will be reloading. The reloading aspect of the lower clips in rail and CR rifles is what makes the its a better 1vG weapon pretty moot. In 1vG it's all about how good the 1 is vs. how good the G is anyways. |
KING CHECKMATE
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
5389
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Posted - 2014.07.20 20:49:00 -
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IF you plan on running in squads a good Suppressing weapon should do.
Believe it or not a BREACH AR can do the trick. Hits hard so it helps both getting assists and kills. Best weapon IMO for running with other people (as Support) and Very Ammo Efficient.Also, not sure but it seems it has a massive Headshot bonus PLUS, it evaporates scouts in like 3 shots XD (ALSO has GREAT hipfire. +10% vs shields / -10% Armor
The Assault Scrambler Rifle is ALSO a very good option, but its not as Ammo efficient as the Breach AR's and suffers against FOTM suits that tank armor plates. +20% Shields / -20% Armor
If you think you might be left alone, i'll say it again, i'd go with the Duvolle. Its not very Ammo efficient but its not as bad as Combat Rifles either.
Its not as Ammo efficient as the SCR, But has better damage profile, doesnt overheat and is most effective Close To MEd ranges where the logi is most vulnerable. For longer ranges just use cover LOL. The SCR is obviouslty a superior rifle 1 vs 1, but since you have only ONE weapon you need a weapon that is Versatile.
The AR can take down anything in the battlefield with just one clip....even most heavies.
If you want to go a little more Meta gaming , use the Combat Rifles! Both ACR and CR are very good but not very ammo efficient.
They are REALLY cheap to fit and have the best Damage profile, doing only -5% to Shields and +10% to armor!
Easily fixed with a Complex damage mod for 100% shields /115% armor (proficiency not included)
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ShamelessALT
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:ShamelessALT wrote: The purpose of this thread is to find out the most OP light weapon so if CCP Rattatai doesnt see reason I will still be able to supply my bonused uplinks after my suit gets castrated.
P.S. I can smell the stench of your anti Amarr bias all the way over here so if you don't know which is the most OP weapon kindly see your way out of this discussion slave... Starting the RP bullshit are we? I knew I had you pegged. If you want to know what weapon is good at what well look no further I use all of them. As far as rifles go, Combat Rifle has good versatility but also has terrible damage/ammo efficiency so you will want to carry a nanohive as you will eat right through it, it also will get outclassed at range by pretty much everything but the assault rifle. The Rail Rifle climbs much more harshly and sprays when fired at the hip much like the scrambler rifle but it has great optimal range only bested by the laser rifle. But according to your criteria id say the Combat Rifle is your best bet since you don't want a ScR. Just know in long range engagements you will get wrecked by most the rifles and in close range engagements an assault rifle can mow you down. The ScR is still king of Alpha damage and ammo efficiency but if you just absolutely have to throw your pity parade roll a CR. Instead of overheating or waiting to not overheat you will be reloading. The reloading aspect of the lower clips in rail and CR rifles is what makes the its a better 1vG weapon pretty moot. In 1vG it's all about how good the 1 is vs. how good the G is anyways. Honestly in my opinion the CR is worse for taking on multiple players by yourself because of its ammo consumption and reload times but eh, most people spec into a specific thing then claim to be experts in everything, what are you gonna do? For example the AR fell out of popularity because the CR and RR were too good when they first came out but the AR is still **** on because people just don't bother with it. It's real good at mowing down multiple targets at close range kind of like the rifle version of the HMG. It's lower RPM and higher clip size then the CR also makes it better in that respect at killing multiple targets. The CR is good for your "Smack my ***** up" montages against battle academy graduates but you're going to be reloading a lot fighting brick tanked opponents.
Lol you think Im an RPer...? Sorry to inform you, but once again you are dead wrong I merely pointed out your bias against the Amarr and proceeded to insult you in an amusing manner. It does seem like I struck a nerve though 
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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B145PH3M3R wrote:True Adamance wrote:ShamelessALT wrote:Since the Amarr Logis is losing its sidearm slot it is no longer feasible or even sane to run LR or ScR on my logi. So which is more OP CR or RR? Why would you not run as ScR? The scr is by far the best 1v1 weapon, but in 1vGroup or GroupvGroup, I would rather have any other rifle if I could only have one weapon. Since dust is mostly GroupvGroup, it really doesnt make sense to run a ScR on a no sidearm suit. The scr will stay on my assault, but I too will probably spec a CR to go with my new gallente logi. The amarr logi is getting put in the closet.
Lol have you ever seen an Amarrian firing line?
I'm talking about a real disciplined firing line of 6+ squadded members...... group vs group no one gets within 40m of us.
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TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
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Posted - 2014.07.20 22:58:00 -
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ShamelessALT wrote:Lol you think Im an RPer...? Sorry to inform you, but once again you are dead wrong I merely pointed out your bias against the Amarr and proceeded to insult you in an amusing manner. It does seem like I struck a nerve though
Yeah it hurt me so much that I gave you advice. You were already confirmed as an RPer when you assumed amarr weapons and amarr suits would work the best together. Even a good dev team can't deliver something like that without the prohibition of cross classing. Just admit you created this thread to whine about losing a sidearm and had no intention of taking any of the good advice players have been giving you in this thread. |
ShamelessALT
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.20 23:20:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:ShamelessALT wrote:Lol you think Im an RPer...? Sorry to inform you, but once again you are dead wrong I merely pointed out your bias against the Amarr and proceeded to insult you in an amusing manner. It does seem like I struck a nerve though Yeah it hurt me so much that I gave you advice. You were already confirmed as an RPer when you assumed amarr weapons and amarr suits would work the best together. Even a good dev team can't deliver something like that without the prohibition of cross classing. Just admit you created this thread to whine about losing a sidearm and had no intention of taking any of the good advice players have been giving you in this thread.
wrong again I have every intention of skilling into a different weapon(CR currently has the most votes atm) should the Amarr logi get castrated. Also I'd like to note that the eve dev team has yet to make an Amarr ship that cant use lasers...
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Xocoyol Zaraoul
Superior Genetics
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Posted - 2014.07.20 23:23:00 -
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To the original post:
Run an Assault Rifle, it is still the king in true CQC if you're not a terrible player, even against the "Mythical" Assault CR. A Duvie AR is beast up-close and personal.
It works for my Amarr logi at least...
Amarr, I have so much Amarr, why do I have a Caldari Frame as my avatar again? OH THAT'S RIGHT I WAS NEVER GIVEN THE OPTION TO SWITCH FOR SOME REASON LIKE EVERYONE ELSE WHEN BETA ENDED
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TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
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Posted - 2014.07.20 23:29:00 -
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ShamelessALT wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:ShamelessALT wrote:Lol you think Im an RPer...? Sorry to inform you, but once again you are dead wrong I merely pointed out your bias against the Amarr and proceeded to insult you in an amusing manner. It does seem like I struck a nerve though Yeah it hurt me so much that I gave you advice. You were already confirmed as an RPer when you assumed amarr weapons and amarr suits would work the best together. Even a good dev team can't deliver something like that without the prohibition of cross classing. Just admit you created this thread to whine about losing a sidearm and had no intention of taking any of the good advice players have been giving you in this thread. wrong again I have every intention of skilling into a different weapon(CR currently has the most votes atm) should the Amarr logi get castrated. Also I'd like to note that the eve dev team has yet to make an Amarr ship that cant use lasers...
>Implying I said you can't fit lasers on an Amarr ship or even that apparently your argument that the ScR is USELESS without a sidearm is apparently suddenly my argument.
Can't help you don't into reading comprehension. And that's cool if you want to backpedal just don't whine about something being useless that isn't and expect not to get rebuked. Next time if you want to whine about a weapon whine about the flaylock. |
ShamelessALT
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.20 23:42:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:ShamelessALT wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:ShamelessALT wrote:Lol you think Im an RPer...? Sorry to inform you, but once again you are dead wrong I merely pointed out your bias against the Amarr and proceeded to insult you in an amusing manner. It does seem like I struck a nerve though Yeah it hurt me so much that I gave you advice. You were already confirmed as an RPer when you assumed amarr weapons and amarr suits would work the best together. Even a good dev team can't deliver something like that without the prohibition of cross classing. Just admit you created this thread to whine about losing a sidearm and had no intention of taking any of the good advice players have been giving you in this thread. wrong again I have every intention of skilling into a different weapon(CR currently has the most votes atm) should the Amarr logi get castrated. Also I'd like to note that the eve dev team has yet to make an Amarr ship that cant use lasers... >Implying I said you can't fit lasers on an Amarr ship or even that apparently your argument that the ScR is USELESS without a sidearm is apparently suddenly my argument. Can't help you don't into reading comprehension. And that's cool if you want to backpedal just don't whine about something being useless that isn't and expect not to get rebuked. Next time if you want to whine about a weapon whine about the flaylock.
Who's backpedaling? I have and will continue to maintain that the Amarr logi shouldn't lose its sidearm and if/when it does i want to have a plan in the (soon to be) astronomically low chance I pull it out post HF charlie
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B145PH3M3R
The Southern Legion
Final Resolution.
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Posted - 2014.07.21 01:31:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:B145PH3M3R wrote:True Adamance wrote:ShamelessALT wrote:Since the Amarr Logis is losing its sidearm slot it is no longer feasible or even sane to run LR or ScR on my logi. So which is more OP CR or RR? Why would you not run as ScR? The scr is by far the best 1v1 weapon, but in 1vGroup or GroupvGroup, I would rather have any other rifle if I could only have one weapon. Since dust is mostly GroupvGroup, it really doesnt make sense to run a ScR on a no sidearm suit. The scr will stay on my assault, but I too will probably spec a CR to go with my new gallente logi. The amarr logi is getting put in the closet. Lol have you ever seen an Amarrian firing line? I'm talking about a real disciplined firing line of 6+ squadded members...... group vs group no one gets within 40m of us.
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BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.21 04:00:00 -
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Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:To the original post:
Run an Assault Rifle, it is still the king in true CQC if you're not a terrible player, even against the "Mythical" Assault CR. A Duvie AR is beast up-close and personal.
It works for my Amarr logi at least...
Amarr, I have so much Amarr, why do I have a Caldari Frame as my avatar again? OH THAT'S RIGHT I WAS NEVER GIVEN THE OPTION TO SWITCH FOR SOME REASON LIKE EVERYONE ELSE WHEN BETA ENDED
I wasnt given the option either, just thrust back into rusty barracks with terrible starter fits.
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