DUST Search - What if Caldari and Gallente Scouts were removed from the game?

Leeroy Gannarsein wrote:

Not Jason Pearson wrote:

Leeroy Gannarsein wrote:

Lynn Beck wrote:

Gal assault is actually pretty fun, then again, i alwayd Kincat it with 400 HP and 19/s reps(ish)

The absolute worst suit? Minmatar Assault.

Statwise it's just terible.
Fittingwise it's even worse.

Amarr Logi or Minmatar Logi+GalSent will become the new(consistent) Fotm.

Callogi will become the new Calscout(5 highs, AND can stack focused scanners while still having 600 armor)

Minja will become the best scout(while still underperforming against even a Calassault in terms of Scoutlyness)

Tanks will become literally unstoppable:
Against a decently top tier fitting, my equally top tier Minmatar Commando has extreme difficulty killing said tank solo, general volley count is 6-9, and considering Nitro speeds, that's 4 volleys too slow.

Not complaining about that.

Currently the only counter to a tank (solo) is a Scout with:
Remotes
Av nade
Av weapon
Kincats AND 500 Hp(survive upwards of 3 Blaster hits, or tank 1 Python Missile)
K-2 nanohive+

Even then, throwing 2 remotes(they notice you) and rolling off, then follow with Ex-11 Pqcked nades, followed by either a shot of Allotek or Wyrrkomi, and some of these fits still have 30% HP left, and then they laugh, rolling away.

AFG solos most HAVs.

Pls sir teach me how to kill tanks

Well these days if it's a Sica you can basically just look at it.

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I-Shayz-I I----------I 4172	Posted - 2014.07.19 20:00:00 - [1] - Quote Hypothetical situation here, I do not want this to happen by any means. Please don't assume the opposite. Also, vehicles are out of the question here. ________________________________________________________________________________ 1. But my question is... If these two suits were removed from the game, what becomes the new FOTM? 2. If we assume the sentinel, without scouts would it just be Sentinel 514...? But if we didn't have Sentinels either would it then become the Amarr or Minmatar scout? An Assault suit? Back to Slayer Logis? COMMANDOS? ____________________________________________________________ 3. And finally, what suit do you think is the absolute worst suit in the game. If you need to, keep removing what you think is the FOTM until you're left with a single one. 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! List of Legion Feedback Threads!
Atiim Fooly Cooly. Anime Empire. 10711	Posted - 2014.07.19 20:02:00 - [2] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: 3. And finally, what suit do you think is the absolute worst suit in the game. If you need to, keep removing what you think is the FOTM until you're left with a single one. MInmatar Light Frame M-1 And on that day, that very day, not a single Pilot lived... -HAND
RYN0CER0S Rise Of Old Dudes 569	Posted - 2014.07.19 20:27:00 - [3] - Quote While Gallente may have better Scouts and Sentinels, at the moment, the Gallente Assault is the absolute worst investment you can make. Basic Medium Frames are 20x worse than that. I would probably go Amarr Logi, in your theoretical situation. There are too many ways to build it and be effective. PSN: The_Rynoceros Console Master Race "It's better to burn out, than fade away." ~Def Leppard
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15970	Posted - 2014.07.19 20:43:00 - [4] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Hypothetical situation here, I do not want this to happen by any means. Please don't assume the opposite. Also, vehicles are out of the question here. ________________________________________________________________________________ 1. But my question is... If these two suits were removed from the game, what becomes the new FOTM? 2. If we assume the sentinel, without scouts would it just be Sentinel 514...? But if we didn't have Sentinels either would it then become the Amarr or Minmatar scout? An Assault suit? Back to Slayer Logis? COMMANDOS? ____________________________________________________________ 3. And finally, what suit do you think is the absolute worst suit in the game. If you need to, keep removing what you think is the FOTM until you're left with a single one. This would be a good exercise for some folks. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Minmatar Sentinel =// Unlocked
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7778	Posted - 2014.07.19 20:55:00 - [5] - Quote It already feels like Sentinel 514 :( King Thunderbolt is my number one fan. :D TFR
KING CHECKMATE Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 5362	Posted - 2014.07.19 21:31:00 - [6] - Quote ok Shays, lets play: ________________________________________________________________________________ 1. But my question is... If these two suits were removed from the game, what becomes the new FOTM? 1- The true advantage of these two suits is their E-war capabilities. Without the Gal scout, 100% effective dampening is inexistent again. Without Cal scout (pre charlie) , Passive Scanning cannot achieve the lowest db scan precision levels it actually can. What does this mean? Med frames with A.Scanners are back. A.Scanners would be needed to Scan everything again, And they COULD since there wouldnt be any more Gk.0... Sentinels would still be present, but next to Med frames like Ak.0 Assault and Ck.0 LOGI with Scanners. 2. If we assume the sentinel, without scouts would it just be Sentinel 514...? But if we didn't have Sentinels either would it then become the Amarr or Minmatar scout? An Assault suit? Back to Slayer Logis? COMMANDOS? 2-No. Sentinels and Commandos could become FOTM but for a team to win mobility is the key. Even with LAV's a full team of heavies will struggle to capture / contain objectives. I insist the best racial version of each med frame would take over: Ck.0 Logi Ak.0 Logi or Assault Mk.0 Assault Gk.0 Logi all with scanners. Without E-war scouts, scanners become again the best way to have an advantage over the enemy. 3.And finally, what suit do you think is the absolute worst suit in the game. If you need to, keep removing what you think is the FOTM until you're left with a single one.[/quote] 3-IMO: Its between Gk Assaults or Mk Logis.... Stealth Storm
Yeeeuuuupppp uptown456 Dark Taboo 493	Posted - 2014.07.19 22:24:00 - [7] - Quote Amarr light frame ak.o will be all you see Rage Proficiency V Mic status: Muted Storage Wars Champion.
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4242	Posted - 2014.07.19 22:54:00 - [8] - Quote Well since it's already about half Cal/Gal scouts and half Gal/Amarr Sentinels + Commandos I would say that removing the Scouts from the equation game would just be dominated by Sentinels + Commandos but not because they'd be the new FOTM. They would just be the persistent FOTM. Smell the burning flesh. Taste the tangy sulfur air. Volcano Season - Moltar's Haiku : SGC2C
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1588	Posted - 2014.07.19 23:18:00 - [9] - Quote The current FoTM would remain-Sentinels. "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. Kills-Archduke Ferd1nand
DarthMcFizzle MOOSE-KNUCKLEz CLAN 46	Posted - 2014.07.20 01:18:00 - [10] - Quote RYN0CER0S wrote: While Gallente may have better Scouts and Sentinels, at the moment, the Gallente Assault is the absolute worst investment you can make. I have been using Gallente assult for a long time, I wonder if I would have more fun if I tried something else.

Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 3650	Posted - 2014.07.20 03:37:00 - [11] - Quote It's sad that everyone agrees that the Gallente assault is the worst cries "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Atiim Fooly Cooly. Anime Empire. 10729	Posted - 2014.07.20 03:44:00 - [12] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: It's sad that everyone agrees that the Gallente assault is the worst cries I think GalAssaults are better than CalAssaults if it makes you feel better. Though they're both pretty $#itty suits compared to the competition... And on that day, that very day, not a single Pilot lived... -HAND
Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 3650	Posted - 2014.07.20 04:03:00 - [13] - Quote Atiim wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: It's sad that everyone agrees that the Gallente assault is the worst cries I think GalAssaults are better than CalAssaults if it makes you feel better. Though they're both pretty $#itty suits compared to the competition... What's really sad is that they are equally crappy if you run them the way they are meant to be run. But if you run the Cal with plates and the Gal with extenders, they come become much better. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Larry Desmo Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 30	Posted - 2014.07.20 04:03:00 - [14] - Quote fotm this fotm that, its all in your mind, fotm is a myth. lots of people have the skills to use several different suits there is plenty of diversity. with the exception for our sad excuse of an active game with 4000 live players ant any given time for a totally free game, that alone limits the diversity. if you want more diversity we need more than just 4000 people playing dust at any given hour of the day, and thats imposible without basic pve because the new people just dont stick around to get stomped.
Lynn Beck Fooly Cooly. Anime Empire. 2068	Posted - 2014.07.20 07:54:00 - [15] - Quote Gal assault is actually pretty fun, then again, i alwayd Kincat it with 400 HP and 19/s reps(ish) The absolute worst suit? Minmatar Assault. Statwise it's just terible. Fittingwise it's even worse. Amarr Logi or Minmatar Logi+GalSent will become the new(consistent) Fotm. Callogi will become the new Calscout(5 highs, AND can stack focused scanners while still having 600 armor) Minja will become the best scout(while still underperforming against even a Calassault in terms of Scoutlyness) Tanks will become literally unstoppable: Against a decently top tier fitting, my equally top tier Minmatar Commando has extreme difficulty killing said tank solo, general volley count is 6-9, and considering Nitro speeds, that's 4 volleys too slow. Not complaining about that. Currently the only counter to a tank (solo) is a Scout with: Remotes Av nade Av weapon Kincats AND 500 Hp(survive upwards of 3 Blaster hits, or tank 1 Python Missile) K-2 nanohive+ Even then, throwing 2 remotes(they notice you) and rolling off, then follow with Ex-11 Pqcked nades, followed by either a shot of Allotek or Wyrrkomi, and some of these fits still have 30% HP left, and then they laugh, rolling away. General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation
Leeroy Gannarsein Legio DXIV 538	Posted - 2014.07.20 08:04:00 - [16] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: The current FoTM would remain-Sentinels. It's funny. I keep hearing you say that. But I skilled level four Sentinel upon the respec to make use of my 'Templar' suit. In the meantime, I've skilled a full proto scout and EWAR setup. I still don't have proto Sentinel. I bet you can't guess why I specced the 'scount'? It would seem like wisdom, but for the warning in my heart... CCP BLOWOUT FOR CPM1
Leeroy Gannarsein Legio DXIV 538	Posted - 2014.07.20 08:05:00 - [17] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Gal assault is actually pretty fun, then again, i alwayd Kincat it with 400 HP and 19/s reps(ish) The absolute worst suit? Minmatar Assault. Statwise it's just terible. Fittingwise it's even worse. Amarr Logi or Minmatar Logi+GalSent will become the new(consistent) Fotm. Callogi will become the new Calscout(5 highs, AND can stack focused scanners while still having 600 armor) Minja will become the best scout(while still underperforming against even a Calassault in terms of Scoutlyness) Tanks will become literally unstoppable: Against a decently top tier fitting, my equally top tier Minmatar Commando has extreme difficulty killing said tank solo, general volley count is 6-9, and considering Nitro speeds, that's 4 volleys too slow. Not complaining about that. Currently the only counter to a tank (solo) is a Scout with: Remotes Av nade Av weapon Kincats AND 500 Hp(survive upwards of 3 Blaster hits, or tank 1 Python Missile) K-2 nanohive+ Even then, throwing 2 remotes(they notice you) and rolling off, then follow with Ex-11 Pqcked nades, followed by either a shot of Allotek or Wyrrkomi, and some of these fits still have 30% HP left, and then they laugh, rolling away. AFG solos most HAVs. It would seem like wisdom, but for the warning in my heart... CCP BLOWOUT FOR CPM1
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11149	Posted - 2014.07.20 08:14:00 - [18] - Quote I would have to say that assaults would still be out of the question. Amarr and Minmatar scouts are still pretty damn amazing, and would probably become the light assault fotm. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
Not Jason Pearson 44	Posted - 2014.07.21 02:16:00 - [19] - Quote Leeroy Gannarsein wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: Gal assault is actually pretty fun, then again, i alwayd Kincat it with 400 HP and 19/s reps(ish) The absolute worst suit? Minmatar Assault. Statwise it's just terible. Fittingwise it's even worse. Amarr Logi or Minmatar Logi+GalSent will become the new(consistent) Fotm. Callogi will become the new Calscout(5 highs, AND can stack focused scanners while still having 600 armor) Minja will become the best scout(while still underperforming against even a Calassault in terms of Scoutlyness) Tanks will become literally unstoppable: Against a decently top tier fitting, my equally top tier Minmatar Commando has extreme difficulty killing said tank solo, general volley count is 6-9, and considering Nitro speeds, that's 4 volleys too slow. Not complaining about that. Currently the only counter to a tank (solo) is a Scout with: Remotes Av nade Av weapon Kincats AND 500 Hp(survive upwards of 3 Blaster hits, or tank 1 Python Missile) K-2 nanohive+ Even then, throwing 2 remotes(they notice you) and rolling off, then follow with Ex-11 Pqcked nades, followed by either a shot of Allotek or Wyrrkomi, and some of these fits still have 30% HP left, and then they laugh, rolling away. AFG solos most HAVs. Pls sir teach me how to kill tanks Not King of the Forums
Leeroy Gannarsein Legio DXIV 547	Posted - 2014.07.21 04:26:00 - [20] - Quote Not Jason Pearson wrote: Leeroy Gannarsein wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: Gal assault is actually pretty fun, then again, i alwayd Kincat it with 400 HP and 19/s reps(ish) The absolute worst suit? Minmatar Assault. Statwise it's just terible. Fittingwise it's even worse. Amarr Logi or Minmatar Logi+GalSent will become the new(consistent) Fotm. Callogi will become the new Calscout(5 highs, AND can stack focused scanners while still having 600 armor) Minja will become the best scout(while still underperforming against even a Calassault in terms of Scoutlyness) Tanks will become literally unstoppable: Against a decently top tier fitting, my equally top tier Minmatar Commando has extreme difficulty killing said tank solo, general volley count is 6-9, and considering Nitro speeds, that's 4 volleys too slow. Not complaining about that. Currently the only counter to a tank (solo) is a Scout with: Remotes Av nade Av weapon Kincats AND 500 Hp(survive upwards of 3 Blaster hits, or tank 1 Python Missile) K-2 nanohive+ Even then, throwing 2 remotes(they notice you) and rolling off, then follow with Ex-11 Pqcked nades, followed by either a shot of Allotek or Wyrrkomi, and some of these fits still have 30% HP left, and then they laugh, rolling away. AFG solos most HAVs. Well these days if it's a Sica you can basically just look at it. Pls sir teach me how to kill tanks It would seem like wisdom, but for the warning in my heart... CCP BLOWOUT FOR CPM1

Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 592	Posted - 2014.07.21 04:43:00 - [21] - Quote I'd still run an Assault G1-S just like I do now. Observe the public trust. Protect the innocent. Uphold the law.
Guiltless D667 56	Posted - 2014.07.21 06:03:00 - [22] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Hypothetical situation here, I do not want this to happen by any means. Please don't assume the opposite. Also, vehicles are out of the question here. ________________________________________________________________________________ 1. But my question is... If these two suits were removed from the game, what becomes the new FOTM? 2. If we assume the sentinel, without scouts would it just be Sentinel 514...? But if we didn't have Sentinels either would it then become the Amarr or Minmatar scout? An Assault suit? Back to Slayer Logis? COMMANDOS? ____________________________________________________________ 3. And finally, what suit do you think is the absolute worst suit in the game. If you need to, keep removing what you think is the FOTM until you're left with a single one. 1.The logis again 2.Uncertain, but if you can see the pattern of FOTM fits most are highly versatile and mobile dropsuits while still maintaining decent tanks and abilities out side of their norm(cali logi and brick scouts),so the competitive side of the players base may shift to assaults or logis,not so much commandos unless you were already a heavy or want to go heavy anyway.It wont be heavy 514 on the account of them not being ever versatile and mobile and having enough leverage to do everything under the sun so you can rest easy 3.Dont know I haven't play all suits, I don't think there any "bad" suits it's just they're over shadowed by others that have "more". A Strange Game.
Velociraptor antirrhopus Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 381	Posted - 2014.07.21 06:46:00 - [23] - Quote If we remove Sentinels, what becomes the new FOTM? Oh wait. They aren't FOTM anyway, and it would just remain the same; ie. Gallente and Caldari scouts. You know the scary thing about em? They don't need power... lights, heat, nothing. That's their advantage.
I-Shayz-I I----------I 4184	Posted - 2014.07.21 06:50:00 - [24] - Quote Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: If we remove Sentinels, what becomes the new FOTM? Oh wait. They aren't FOTM anyway, and it would just remain the same; ie. Gallente and Caldari scouts. My main question was what if you removed both? What's the next FOTM after that? 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! List of Legion Feedback Threads!
Atiim Commando Perkone Caldari State 10775	Posted - 2014.07.21 07:33:00 - [25] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: My main question was what if you removed both? What's the next FOTM after that? If Scouts and Sentinels were removed, then you'd have nothing but Logis, Commandos, and Assaults. Nobody would use the Logi, as there wouldn't be any Sentinels to support, and the other 2 classes are perfectly capable of being self-sufficent, so the demand for them will be really low. Then it would boil down to the Assaults and the Commandos. Nobody in their right mind would choose the Assault over the Commando (unless you use SCRs or LRs), as you can have 2 Light Weapons while having great buffer while still having a decent speed. So, it would go to the Commando. Once a ScRub, always a sCRub. -HAND
Lynn Beck Fooly Cooly. Anime Empire. 2077	Posted - 2014.07.21 07:41:00 - [26] - Quote Eh, min commando is pretty lacklustre now that any jack **** and harry can pick up a Adv swarm and AV nades to kill them some Mlt noobs. Especially when my max tank fit has barely more health than a pre-buff Amarr Assault. Also the Commandos are unbelievably low regen suits, it's kinda hard imagining entire squads running these to 'stomp noobs' I'd imagine moreso the Gallente Logi, because it is most suited for stacking armor(the only HP worth a damn) and can instascan any suit in the game(now that scouts are gone) Right behind that one would be the Callogi(assuming its' modslots aren't nerfed when this supposed role purge happens) thanks to its' ability to armor tank 600, shield tank 500 or so, or run 200/400 and have decent enough scanning to just completely mop anybody NOT damped. General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation
I-Shayz-I I----------I 4185	Posted - 2014.07.21 08:06:00 - [27] - Quote Atiim wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: My main question was what if you removed both? What's the next FOTM after that? If Scouts and Sentinels were removed, then you'd have nothing but Logis, Commandos, and Assaults. ... So, it would go to the Commando. I have to disagree that Logistics wold go away, because we'd still have 700-900 armor commandos running around with reps on them...but this is pretty much the sad truth. Right now the food chain is (in terms of combat effectiveness) Scouts Sentinels Commandos Assaults Logistics When really I'd rather see: Sentinels Commandos Assaults/Scouts Logistics 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! List of Legion Feedback Threads!
Not Jason Pearson 53	Posted - 2014.07.21 08:28:00 - [28] - Quote Leeroy Gannarsein wrote: Not Jason Pearson wrote: Leeroy Gannarsein wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: Gal assault is actually pretty fun, then again, i alwayd Kincat it with 400 HP and 19/s reps(ish) The absolute worst suit? Minmatar Assault. Statwise it's just terible. Fittingwise it's even worse. Amarr Logi or Minmatar Logi+GalSent will become the new(consistent) Fotm. Callogi will become the new Calscout(5 highs, AND can stack focused scanners while still having 600 armor) Minja will become the best scout(while still underperforming against even a Calassault in terms of Scoutlyness) Tanks will become literally unstoppable: Against a decently top tier fitting, my equally top tier Minmatar Commando has extreme difficulty killing said tank solo, general volley count is 6-9, and considering Nitro speeds, that's 4 volleys too slow. Not complaining about that. Currently the only counter to a tank (solo) is a Scout with: Remotes Av nade Av weapon Kincats AND 500 Hp(survive upwards of 3 Blaster hits, or tank 1 Python Missile) K-2 nanohive+ Even then, throwing 2 remotes(they notice you) and rolling off, then follow with Ex-11 Pqcked nades, followed by either a shot of Allotek or Wyrrkomi, and some of these fits still have 30% HP left, and then they laugh, rolling away. AFG solos most HAVs. Pls sir teach me how to kill tanks Well these days if it's a Sica you can basically just look at it. I've found that ramming it is far more effective, even when blue.. xD Not King of the Forums
Sleepy Shadow Qualified Scrub 198	Posted - 2014.07.21 09:01:00 - [29] - Quote DarthMcFizzle wrote: RYN0CER0S wrote: While Gallente may have better Scouts and Sentinels, at the moment, the Gallente Assault is the absolute worst investment you can make. I have been using Gallente assult for a long time, I wonder if I would have more fun if I tried something else. Try Gallente scout and cry your eyes out at how much better it is at assaulting. IGÇÖve had the Gallente assault since Uprising but havenGÇÖt used the poor thing in months. For some reason I cannot let it go. Probably because nostalgia. Or something. The only place I use my assault suit is in my merc quarters and the 0,5 seconds on war barge. I have never proto stomped but now that DUST 514 is dead I can do it without remorse!! 355 million ISK to go.


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