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Meee One
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
914
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Posted - 2014.07.19 00:17:00 -
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It seems as if everything (but sentinels) is getting buffed in charlie.
But what about logistics?
Well,it seems CCP was/is actually considering nerfing logistics. Logistics gets 0 respect from "slayer logi" fear mongers.
After charlie,logistics will officially be the most misbalanced and weak as well as slow suit in the game.
So,putting all the "logeez need to suck" re.tardation aside.
I was thinking...logistics deserves a buff because it's being blatantly ignored and even belittled seeing as everyone needs that +1 equipment slot.
My suggestion: -Increase logistics equipment bonuses by 10%-25% per level. (not fitting reduction)
Since no one wants logistics to be able to defend itself against any other suit,logistics should be terrifyingly good with equipment.
If i can't defend myself in a logistics suit,i should be able to keep those alive around me that can.
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Cody Sietz
SVER True Blood Dark Taboo
3634
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Posted - 2014.07.19 00:24:00 -
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They are perfectly balanced.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Velociraptor antirrhopus
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
335
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Posted - 2014.07.19 00:25:00 -
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Amen brother. Or sister or whatever the hell you are.
However I do see the standardization of equipment slots across all tiers as a buff to my ISK wallet. I'll be rich now.
All those slayer logi arguments became invalid with the introduction of the CR and RR in 1.7, seriously. You can't just sit on a rep hive and armor tank anymore.
DUST 514 Forums. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villa- er, I mean panty weights and neckbeards.
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Meee One
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
914
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Posted - 2014.07.19 00:41:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:They are perfectly balanced. LOL!
Slow + less armor is balanced he says.
Scouts are fast with less armor. Heavies are slow with more armor.
Yet logistics being slow with less armor is balanced?
BWAHAHA!!!
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Cody Sietz
SVER True Blood Dark Taboo
3635
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Posted - 2014.07.19 00:44:00 -
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Meee One wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:They are perfectly balanced. LOL! Slow + less armor is balanced he says. Scouts are fast with less armor. Heavies are slow with more armor. Yet logistics being slow with less armor is balanced? BWAHAHA!!! Ok, just lose a few slots then.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Bojo The Mighty
Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno
4208
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Posted - 2014.07.19 00:44:00 -
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Meee One wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:They are perfectly balanced. LOL! Slow + less armor is balanced he says. Scouts are fast with less armor. Heavies are slow with more armor. Yet logistics being slow with less armor is balanced? BWAHAHA!!! While I agree with your point right here, logistics have a significant eWar advantage that is commonly ignored. A Minmatar logi or Caldari logi can get a lower precision than I can currently on my Galscout and dampen and have a cloak bonus, for some reason....
What is this nonsense about not being able to defend thyself? You have a weapon! Best defense is a good offense, says everyone.
Smell the burning flesh. Taste the tangy sulfur air. Volcano Season - Moltar's Haiku : SGC2C
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Meee One
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
914
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Posted - 2014.07.19 03:55:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:Meee One wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:They are perfectly balanced. LOL! Slow + less armor is balanced he says. Scouts are fast with less armor. Heavies are slow with more armor. Yet logistics being slow with less armor is balanced? BWAHAHA!!! While I agree with your point right here, logistics have a significant eWar advantage that is commonly ignored. A Minmatar logi or Caldari logi can get a lower precision than I can currently on my Galscout and dampen and have a cloak bonus, for some reason.... What is this nonsense about not being able to defend thyself? You have a weapon! Best defense is a good offense, says everyone. eWAR shmee war,scouts have the greatest eWAR ability yet it doesn't hinder their speed.
But equipment is supposed to hinder an equipment specialised suit?
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Meee One
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
914
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Posted - 2014.07.19 04:00:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Meee One wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:They are perfectly balanced. LOL! Slow + less armor is balanced he says. Scouts are fast with less armor. Heavies are slow with more armor. Yet logistics being slow with less armor is balanced? BWAHAHA!!! Ok, just lose a few slots then. NO
As assaults get an all around buff,logistics at least deserves a buff in one area regarding survival without having to sacrifice.
What you suggest would make logistics a walking (speed literally) coffin.
Logistics has given a weapon for assaults it shouldn't have to sacrifice any more.
TL;DR You're an idiot that doesn't respect logistics.
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501st Headstrong
G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance
331
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Posted - 2014.07.19 04:26:00 -
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Let a Longtime Logi try and convince you of your ill-believed theory
1) A Logi is not going to be "Walking coffin." You are not suppose to be firing at the front lines unless you want to stack hp and fight. If you are so afraid of dying, kill the weakened hostiles that the Assaults and Scouts leave
2) Umm...Logis are already murderously good at their respective equipment, and them being slow, while a drawback, also keeps kids from running past their teammates to chase kills and getting ahead the pack. The Logistics is a team suit, so it stays with the team, or a little behind.
3) You have a gun, get flipping proficiency. It'll be more than enough, along with Rapid Reload, just max out the stats of your primary gun
4) You shouldn't even have to fire a gun. You should be looking behind your team for flanking scouts, reaping and setting links for fall back positions.
5) The nerf to Logistical speed was removed.
6) To amend the Slayer Logi fears, CCP is trying to fix people like I DO SUCK, who stack armor, a Rail Rifle, Compact Hives for his personal use, with no thought of the team in mind. This is a valid concern. If you want to kill so well, hopefully Charlie will convince people to go Assault.
5) Adapt or Die. The Logistics is quite balanced at the moment. I can easily kill severely or even moderately wounded targets with my Combat Rfile, Proficiency 4, Sharpshoot 4, Rapid Reload 2. You do not need more HP, because then it will bring back Slayer Logis as in people picking that over the Assault for more HP and slots. Wait till Charlie drops before judgement.
Thx 07
From the Clone Wars I came. Here, I am a man among tamed beasts, and a god...among men.
CEO of G0DS AM0NG MEN
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Meee One
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
914
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Posted - 2014.07.19 05:02:00 -
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501st Headstrong wrote:Let a Longtime Logi try and convince you of your ill-believed theory
1) A Logi is not going to be "Walking coffin." You are not suppose to be firing at the front lines unless you want to stack hp and fight. If you are so afraid of dying, kill the weakened hostiles that the Assaults and Scouts leave
2) Umm...Logis are already murderously good at their respective equipment, and them being slow, while a drawback, also keeps kids from running past their teammates to chase kills and getting ahead the pack. The Logistics is a team suit, so it stays with the team, or a little behind.
3) You have a gun, get flipping proficiency. It'll be more than enough, along with Rapid Reload, just max out the stats of your primary gun
4) You shouldn't even have to fire a gun. You should be looking behind your team for flanking scouts, reaping and setting links for fall back positions.
5) The nerf to Logistical speed was removed.
6) To amend the Slayer Logi fears, CCP is trying to fix people like I DO SUCK, who stack armor, a Rail Rifle, Compact Hives for his personal use, with no thought of the team in mind. This is a valid concern. If you want to kill so well, hopefully Charlie will convince people to go Assault.
5) Adapt or Die. The Logistics is quite balanced at the moment. I can easily kill severely or even moderately wounded targets with my Combat Rfile, Proficiency 4, Sharpshoot 4, Rapid Reload 2. You do not need more HP, because then it will bring back Slayer Logis as in people picking that over the Assault for more HP and slots. Wait till Charlie drops before judgement.
Thx 07 I'm not asking for much.
Either: -eHP to represent the speed loss -or- -Speed/regen to represent the armor loss
These two dynamics are represented well with heavies and scouts,but are oddly eskew when it comes to logistics.
Seeing as assaults will be getting buffed in everything,logistics should atleast get one.
I would prefer speed/regen (like scouts) myself.
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501st Headstrong
G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance
334
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Posted - 2014.07.19 05:10:00 -
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Logis don't need a buff. We don't need massive speed from a flat point, we have an excess of modules for this. With my Min Logi I can legitimately hit 9.1 meters per second if I fill all my low slots with ADV KIncats. ADV. Not Proto, Adv. We can get speed. I have 12 slots, you're honestly saying we need a buff? I can tank way more than my Assault (960 HP when decked with 3x Enhanced Shields, 1x Basic, 4 Enhanced Plates)
I can use my slots for speed, I can dampen, I can also deploy 4 equipment, and still have a Flux Grenade, and my Cores aren't even Proto. A logi does not need a buff to any stats, because it can fit so many to tailor a play style. The Assault is getting buffs because it needs to kill better and stay on the front lines with a slower break needed. It does not have that. A logi has a steep learning curve, knowing when to run, when to push with your heavy, how to look behind you, look for REs. Don't change the only suit that is actually balanced before finding out if these new changes make it obsolete.
From the Clone Wars I came. Here I am a man among tamed beasts, and a god...among men
CEO of G0DS AM0NG MEN
Freedom aw8s
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Meee One
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
914
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Posted - 2014.07.19 05:22:00 -
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501st Headstrong wrote:Logis don't need a buff. We don't need massive speed from a flat point, we have an excess of modules for this. With my Min Logi I can legitimately hit 9.1 meters per second if I fill all my low slots with ADV KIncats. ADV. Not Proto, Adv. We can get speed. I have 12 slots, you're honestly saying we need a buff? I can tank way more than my Assault (960 HP when decked with 3x Enhanced Shields, 1x Basic, 4 Enhanced Plates)
I can use my slots for speed, I can dampen, I can also deploy 4 equipment, and still have a Flux Grenade, and my Cores aren't even Proto. A logi does not need a buff to any stats, because it can fit so many to tailor a play style. The Assault is getting buffs because it needs to kill better and stay on the front lines with a slower break needed. It does not have that. A logi has a steep learning curve, knowing when to run, when to push with your heavy, how to look behind you, look for REs. Don't change the only suit that is actually balanced before finding out if these new changes make it obsolete. During the 1.8 overhaul CCP posted that there will be future modules that enhance equipment further.
It's on the 1.8 equipment stats page of the Dev blog.
I'm asking for a buff based on the information that logistics slots will need to be used for those modules. Logistics needs an innate stat buff to compensate.
Also,stacking 4 plates? Good luck out running a heavy,or fending of a scout.
And "making assaults kill better" has NOTHING to do with the suit and everything to do with weapon DPS. Buffing the suit buffs its survival chances not its ability to kill.
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Cheydinhal Guard
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
133
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Posted - 2014.07.19 05:56:00 -
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My GalLogi is getting an extra low slot, that's good enough for me
AmarrAssault, GalAssault, GalLogi, CalScout
GalLogi to the end
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Skullmiser Vulcansu
143
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Posted - 2014.07.19 13:05:00 -
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I suggested a while ago that Logistics suits have their scanning precision enhanced by five or ten points. It was the same as scouts' precision and profile before 1.8.
If this game was fun, I wouldn't be playing it.
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Baal Omniscient
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
1973
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Posted - 2014.07.19 16:17:00 -
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I believe Logi's should be as survivable as a basic medium frame with the additional advantage of having extra equipment slots and proper equipment bonuses at the cost of it's sidearm. Simple as that.
Also, Logi's should get a (slightly smaller) bonus to their allied nation's equipment.
Cross Atu for CPM1
Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
3073
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Posted - 2014.07.19 16:23:00 -
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Let's let Assaults have a go at being Slayers before we resurrect the Slayer Logi.
Shoot scout with yes...
- Ripley Riley
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taxi bastard
jihad taxi co.
157
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Posted - 2014.07.19 19:01:00 -
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This has to be a troll post! The suits are war point farming beasts. |
Bubaloo1
Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dark Taboo
19
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Posted - 2014.07.19 19:03:00 -
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I think they should also get bonuses to more than just one type of equipment. Its dumb that an assault can use a rep tool just as well as any logi that isn't minmatar. |
Ghost Steps
G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance
2
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Posted - 2014.07.19 20:43:00 -
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Logis are batman, thay have the biggest versatility with their extra equipment. Logis are unparaller on the WP race. |
Meee One
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
923
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Posted - 2014.07.19 21:05:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Let's let Assaults have a go at being Slayers before risking a Slayer Logi resurrection. Wanting a small buff isn't a call to make logistics a 'slayer' again.
logistics is currently the only suit that has low armor and, low speed.
This is horribly broken.
Scouts are fast with low armor. heavies are slow with higher armor .
More armor means less speed not more. less armor means more speed not less.
See?
Tl;dr if you could actually read i'm not asking for a buff to the suit,i'm asking for increased performance of racial equipment.
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Cody Sietz
SVER True Blood Dark Taboo
3650
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Posted - 2014.07.19 23:18:00 -
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Meee One wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Meee One wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:They are perfectly balanced. LOL! Slow + less armor is balanced he says. Scouts are fast with less armor. Heavies are slow with more armor. Yet logistics being slow with less armor is balanced? BWAHAHA!!! Ok, just lose a few slots then. NO As assaults get an all around buff,logistics at least deserves a buff in one area regarding survival without having to sacrifice. What you suggest would make logistics a walking (speed literally) coffin. Logistics has given a weapon for assaults it shouldn't have to sacrifice any more. TL;DR You're an idiot that doesn't respect logistics. Insults. Really?
Logis have not been nerfed, they lost the 5 reps a second they had...that's it. Logi equipment got nerfed harder.
I don't want Logis to to lose slots, but they really don't need to be buffed further. You can still run super slayer Logis. Assaults have better base stats, Logis have worst base stats.
Assaults have a side arm and less equipment slots.
Logis have no sidearm and more equipment slots.
It's really simple.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Meee One
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
925
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Posted - 2014.07.20 02:58:00 -
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cody seitz wrote:You got me i am a major idiot. AND i can't read! I didn't see that all you were asking for was a buff to equipment bonuses in the OP. Just ignore me from now on because i can't even fully understand a topic before i comment.
I am so glad you finally admitted your problem.
And will do about that ignoring part.
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trollface dot jpg
The Bacon Corporation
226
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Posted - 2014.07.20 03:32:00 -
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Meee One wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Let's let Assaults have a go at being Slayers before risking a Slayer Logi resurrection. Wanting a small buff isn't a call to make logistics a 'slayer' again. logistics is currently the only suit that has low armor and, low speed. This is horribly broken. Scouts are fast with low armor. heavies are slow with higher armor . More armor means less speed not more. less armor means more speed not less. See? Tl;dr: if you could actually read i'm not asking for a buff to the suit,i'm asking for increased performance of racial equipment. 1) Scouts eHP levels are currently unbalanced, actually letting them tank medium eHP with high speed as well as having a smaller hitbox 2) Heavies, scouts and assaults main roles are killing things through various means, the logi's main role is healing things
If you want a buff, I'm cool with that, but get a buff that directly effects your ability to do YOUR job, not everyone else's. A speed bump would be fine, if assaults are fixed I'd have no issue with Logi's having the speed of current assault suits and extra speed would help with their main role. Ask for a bump to scan precision. Ask for a bump to the PG/CPU bonus to equipment. Ask for a slight buff to equipment. Ask for a 2% efficacy bonus to all equipment and a 5% to your race's equipment.
But don't ask for buffs that push you further into the domain of other suits.
RIP MAG, you will be missed.
MAG Vet ~ Raven
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Meee One
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
925
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Posted - 2014.07.20 03:35:00 -
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trollface dot jpg wrote:Meee One wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Let's let Assaults have a go at being Slayers before risking a Slayer Logi resurrection. Wanting a small buff isn't a call to make logistics a 'slayer' again. logistics is currently the only suit that has low armor and, low speed. This is horribly broken. Scouts are fast with low armor. heavies are slow with higher armor . More armor means less speed not more. less armor means more speed not less. See? Tl;dr: if you could actually read i'm not asking for a buff to the suit,i'm asking for increased performance of racial equipment. 1) Scouts eHP levels are currently unbalanced, actually letting them tank medium eHP with high speed as well as having a smaller hitbox 2) Heavies, scouts and assaults main roles are killing things through various means, the logi's main role is healing things If you want a buff, I'm cool with that, but get a buff that directly effects your ability to do YOUR job, not everyone else's. A speed bump would be fine, if assaults are fixed I'd have no issue with Logi's having the speed of current assault suits and extra speed would help with their main role. Ask for a bump to scan precision. Ask for a bump to the PG/CPU bonus to equipment. Ask for a slight buff to equipment. Ask for a 2% efficacy bonus to all equipment and a 5% to your race's equipment. But don't ask for buffs that push you further into the domain of other suits. Asking for an equipment buff is what this particular thread is about.
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Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
11148
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Posted - 2014.07.20 04:28:00 -
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Logistics have no right to win a 1v1 fight against an Assault. That Assault was born to kill stuff, that Logistics was born to make other people kill much more effectively.
Logistics should only be able to protect themselves from scouts, or assaults that they got a drop on.
Logi tank should be squad tank. Which is honestly the best tank if that Logi is good
I would suggest increasing their speed so they can keep up with their squad mates.
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
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Meee One
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
927
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Posted - 2014.07.20 04:54:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Logistics have no right to win a 1v1 fight against an Assault. That Assault was born to kill stuff, that Logistics was born to make other people kill much more effectively. Logistics should only be able to protect themselves from scouts, or assaults that they got a drop on. Logi tank should be squad tank. Which is honestly the best tank if that Logi is good I would suggest increasing their speed so they can keep up with their squad mates.
I agree. But i think any logistics should be better at using any equipment compared to an assault using it.
Also,i've said speed was a good buff. Being slow and frail makes 0 sense.
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