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Zx 07
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.07.16 11:18:00 -
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With no proficiency, isn't the GEK-38 assault rifle much stronger than the CRD-9 assault scrambler rifle? The assault rifle will do 90% to armor whilst the assault scrambler rifle will do 80% to armor. The assault rifle also has a higher rate of fire. Is there really any other reason to use the assault scrambler rifle over the assault rifle other than range? |
501st Headstrong
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.16 11:20:00 -
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Not really from what I know. I'm a BK-42 user myself, but I'm sure some of those Amarrian guys would love to tell you how great the thing is
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.07.16 11:50:00 -
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501st Headstrong wrote:Not really from what I know. I'm a BK-42 user myself, but I'm sure some of those Amarrian guys would love to tell you how great the thing is
It's underestimated, no doubt, but I'd hesitate to call it great.
It does have better range and is more accurate than the AR, but yes, the damage profile hurts bad with the current armor/shield meta. But, back in the day when cal logis with 800 shields ruled the battlefield, it took them down like a boss.
It was my primary weapon back then... if shield tanking becomes popular again, it will come back.
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I-Shayz-I
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Posted - 2014.07.16 11:55:00 -
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It's only benefit is range, the gallente weapons deal more damage at close range though.
The Assault SCR is just better at CQC than the standard SCR is, but it eats up ammo and is terrible against heavily armored targets.
The ASCR is a beast once you master the headshot. Realize that it is one of the only weapons in the game with dispersion while ADS, but damn is it effective against light targets such as scouts and for taking out groups of enemies (due to its large clip size)
Just don't try to use it past 70ish meters or else the dispersion will really make it hard.
Oh, and it melts shield heavies.
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Ryme Intrinseca
The Rainbow Effect
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.07.16 12:05:00 -
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I hate both of these weapons. Far prefer regular ScR and TacAR. Different strokes for different folks I guess. |
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.16 12:10:00 -
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AsScr=bane of my existence
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
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aaaasdff ertgfdd
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Posted - 2014.07.16 12:10:00 -
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Zx 07 wrote:With no proficiency, isn't the GEK-38 assault rifle much stronger than the CRD-9 assault scrambler rifle? The assault rifle will do 90% to armor whilst the assault scrambler rifle will do 80% to armor. The assault rifle also has a higher rate of fire. Is there really any other reason to use the assault scrambler rifle over the assault rifle other than range?
Ammo, range, +20% to shields, clip size, preference? I use both, I put the gek on my gal assault.
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Stefan Stahl
Seituoda Taskforce Command
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Posted - 2014.07.16 12:15:00 -
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With the current meta being at armor plates > shield extenders the AScR is not in the best spot. If armor plates received a ~15% reduction in efficacy the picture would be reversed.
I used to have cpx shield extenders on all my fits. Now I have them on none of my fits. Except for my Cal Sentinel - as if fitting requirements were an issue on heavies. |
Leeroy Gannarsein
Legio DXIV
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Posted - 2014.07.16 12:33:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:It's only benefit is range, the gallente weapons deal more damage at close range though.
The Assault SCR is just better at CQC than the standard SCR is, but it eats up ammo and is terrible against heavily armored targets.
The ASCR is a beast once you master the headshot. Realize that it is one of the only weapons in the game with dispersion while ADS, but damn is it effective against light targets such as scouts and for taking out groups of enemies (due to its large clip size)
Just don't try to use it past 70ish meters or else the dispersion will really make it hard.
Oh, and it melts shield heavies.
Dispersion is a lie.
Srsly, it's a graphical effect. Ignore it and the gun will work better.
AR is still far superior. I tried a Carthum Assault, but Duvolle is far superior.
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.16 12:41:00 -
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Leeroy Gannarsein wrote:I-Shayz-I wrote:It's only benefit is range, the gallente weapons deal more damage at close range though.
The Assault SCR is just better at CQC than the standard SCR is, but it eats up ammo and is terrible against heavily armored targets.
The ASCR is a beast once you master the headshot. Realize that it is one of the only weapons in the game with dispersion while ADS, but damn is it effective against light targets such as scouts and for taking out groups of enemies (due to its large clip size)
Just don't try to use it past 70ish meters or else the dispersion will really make it hard.
Oh, and it melts shield heavies. Dispersion is a lie. Srsly, it's a graphical effect. Ignore it and the gun will work better. AR is still far superior. I tried a Carthum Assault, but Duvolle is far superior.
i can back this the dispersion is graphics only...
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The-Errorist
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Posted - 2014.07.16 12:54:00 -
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Don't forget the aSCR also has a sight, has zero recoil, has gold, and looks cooler.
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
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Posted - 2014.07.16 13:19:00 -
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I use to rock the Ascr back 1.4 but then as time passed my love for the single fire variant triumph all foes in my path. But to answer your question they're both pretty meh weapons.
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uptown456
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.07.16 15:22:00 -
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The ascr is too easy to use, it shouldn't even be in the game tbh
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aaaasdff ertgfdd
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Posted - 2014.07.16 16:27:00 -
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Zx 07 wrote:With no proficiency, isn't the GEK-38 assault rifle much stronger than the CRD-9 assault scrambler rifle? The assault rifle will do 90% to armor whilst the assault scrambler rifle will do 80% to armor. The assault rifle also has a higher rate of fire. Is there really any other reason to use the assault scrambler rifle over the assault rifle other than range?
Best gun in the game for killing cal scouts imo.....
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.16 16:41:00 -
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aaaasdff ertgfdd wrote:Zx 07 wrote:With no proficiency, isn't the GEK-38 assault rifle much stronger than the CRD-9 assault scrambler rifle? The assault rifle will do 90% to armor whilst the assault scrambler rifle will do 80% to armor. The assault rifle also has a higher rate of fire. Is there really any other reason to use the assault scrambler rifle over the assault rifle other than range? Best gun in the game for killing cal scouts imo.....
I can confirm that it melts my cal scout like no other, except perhaps an HMG. More often than not, I'm dead before I can react, it's that quick. Not that I'm complaining (HTFU and all), but thankfully use of this weapon is relatively limited. |
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Posted - 2014.07.16 16:48:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:aaaasdff ertgfdd wrote:Zx 07 wrote:With no proficiency, isn't the GEK-38 assault rifle much stronger than the CRD-9 assault scrambler rifle? The assault rifle will do 90% to armor whilst the assault scrambler rifle will do 80% to armor. The assault rifle also has a higher rate of fire. Is there really any other reason to use the assault scrambler rifle over the assault rifle other than range? Best gun in the game for killing cal scouts imo..... I can confirm that it melts my cal scout like no other, except perhaps an HMG. More often than not, I'm dead before I can react, it's that quick. Not that I'm complaining (HTFU and all), but thankfully use of this weapon is relatively limited.
Ive got a proto gal scout, double damp, proto cloak, but with only the crd9, no carthum needed, just for killing cal scouts.
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CRNWLLC
Gangsta Gank
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Posted - 2014.07.16 17:18:00 -
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I prefer selective fire, so I will always choose the ScR over the AScR. |
John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.07.17 04:19:00 -
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The dispersion is graphical, yes, but it's surprisingly difficult to ignore. You just want to pull your aim down so bad, it takes a bit to retrain yourself.
Now, that blinding muzzle flash on the other hand... that was no joke.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.07.17 04:24:00 -
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It melts anything and anyone I don't like very quickly out to 50m with minimal recoil, epic accuracy, and has a great sight.
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Aero Yassavi
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Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.07.17 04:27:00 -
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AR is better. Only case I can see valid reason in using an AScR is if you are using the Amarr Commando for increased laser rifle damage and then want an assault weapon, might as well go with AScR for 10% damage increase.
Also when I use the AScR I am almost always firing from the hip, thing is really accurate.
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KING CHECKMATE
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.17 04:28:00 -
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Zx 07 wrote:With no proficiency, isn't the GEK-38 assault rifle much stronger than the CRD-9 assault scrambler rifle? The assault rifle will do 90% to armor whilst the assault scrambler rifle will do 80% to armor. The assault rifle also has a higher rate of fire. Is there really any other reason to use the assault scrambler rifle over the assault rifle other than range?
If you have a lot of cash and want to Spend 30k ISK more per proto weapon. :3
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
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Posted - 2014.07.17 04:43:00 -
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More range, longer sustained fire (72 roung magazine), better for fighting Caldari suits.
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KING CHECKMATE
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.17 04:47:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:More range, longer sustained fire (72 roung magazine), better for fighting Caldari suits.
Considering the RR and SCR are better for range, Sustained fire is BS compared to precise damage and Caldari suits being the Less used because shield tanking is turd then:
If you have money and want a pretty gun that costs 30k isk +
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JRleo jr
Xer Cloud Consortium
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Posted - 2014.07.17 05:53:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:It's only benefit is range, the gallente weapons deal more damage at close range though.
The Assault SCR is just better at CQC than the standard SCR is, but it eats up ammo and is terrible against heavily armored targets.
The ASCR is a beast once you master the headshot. Realize that it is one of the only weapons in the game with dispersion while ADS, but damn is it effective against light targets such as scouts and for taking out groups of enemies (due to its large clip size)
Just don't try to use it past 70ish meters or else the dispersion will really make it hard.
Oh, and it melts shield heavies.
Crouch and hipfire at range.
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Thurak1
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Posted - 2014.07.17 06:04:00 -
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Yeeeuuuupppp wrote:The ascr is too easy to use, it shouldn't even be in the game tbh
If ease of use meant out of game shottys would be the first to go. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
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Posted - 2014.07.17 06:22:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:More range, longer sustained fire (72 roung magazine), better for fighting Caldari suits. Considering the RR and SCR are better for range, Sustained fire is BS compared to precise damage and Caldari suits being the Less used because shield tanking is turd then: If you have money and want a pretty gun that costs 30k isk +
The comparison the OP was making was against the assault rifle, not the regular scrambler rifle, or the rail rifle.
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Posted - 2014.07.17 06:35:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:It's only benefit is range, the gallente weapons deal more damage at close range though.
The Assault SCR is just better at CQC than the standard SCR is, but it eats up ammo and is terrible against heavily armored targets.
The ASCR is a beast once you master the headshot. Realize that it is one of the only weapons in the game with dispersion while ADS, but damn is it effective against light targets such as scouts and for taking out groups of enemies (due to its large clip size)
Just don't try to use it past 70ish meters or else the dispersion will really make it hard.
Oh, and it melts shield heavies.
Well put.
The AScR has to be fired in controlled bursts to be effective just like the AR. It is because of this that I prefer the ScR to just put that whole burst into one charged up shot.
Basically if you are one of the people unhappy with caldari scouts then either scrambler is the weapon for you.
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