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Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.14 17:28:00 -
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What is the hard counter to heavies in CQC-Medium range? Scout with SG is not a hard counter because it fails more than it succeeds. |
gauntlet44 LbowDeep
Heaven84 Devils
General Tso's Alliance
80
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Posted - 2014.07.14 17:34:00 -
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a rail rifle at 80 meters
Absorb what is useful,
discard what is not,
make it uniquely your own........ Bruce Lee
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Xocoyol Zaraoul
Superior Genetics
2115
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Posted - 2014.07.14 17:44:00 -
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gauntlet44 LbowDeep wrote:a rail rifle at 80 meters
This, don't beat Sents at their own game unless you are in a faster suit with proper sensors, and it's one on one, and there's enough cover that you can wear him down... And you feel lucky.
"You see those red dots over there?
Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
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CommanderBolt
ACME SPECIAL FORCES
RISE of LEGION
1319
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Posted - 2014.07.14 17:46:00 -
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A hard counter? A forge gun - but only if you are a good shot. Even then these days some proto heavies have such ridiculous armour and EHP values that they tank a forge round. And if there is more than one, hope to god that they are in a narrow corridor otherwise you might as well put that forge gun away.
I'm thinking it might be time to go up to level 5 Forge proficiency.
Otherwise they really do not have a solid counter I don't think. At least not when you are in a zone where you cannot pull range on them.
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
4989
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Posted - 2014.07.14 17:46:00 -
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Next will you ask what beats snipers at maximum range engagements?
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
2329
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Posted - 2014.07.14 17:47:00 -
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I mean its the same argument of "What's a hard counter to Snipers?" Either you use the same thing, or you move into a range at which the enemy is weapon and fight them there. In the case of HMGs you stay far away, or in the case of snipers you move in close (redline aside)
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Xocoyol Zaraoul
Superior Genetics
2115
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Posted - 2014.07.14 17:48:00 -
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ooooh I got it.
Hard Counter is a proto Amarr Heavy with a Proto Burst HMG. This will kill pretty much any sent out there even if they have Logi support.
"You see those red dots over there?
Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
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Bojo The Mighty
Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno
4141
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Posted - 2014.07.14 17:53:00 -
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Remote explosives.
If they survive one, they can't survive another
Smell the burning flesh. Taste the tangy sulfur air. Volcano Season - Moltar's Haiku : SGC2C
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
2538
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Posted - 2014.07.14 17:58:00 -
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REs, RRs, and ScRs 80 m out.
Or Jihad Jeeps. Those things can take out anything.
This is how a minja feels
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Midas Fool
Prophets of the Velocirapture
513
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Posted - 2014.07.14 18:07:00 -
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Scrambler Pistol or Bolt Pistol Headshots 
Or Mass Drivers. Just don't miss.
ADV/PRO: 'Bishop' AmrLogistics, 'Commissar' CalSentinel, 'Rodelero' AmrScout, 'Legionnaire' CalAssault
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Rusty Shallows
Caldari State
1879
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Posted - 2014.07.14 18:16:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:What is the hard counter to heavies in CQC-Medium range? Scout with SG is not a hard counter because it fails more than it succeeds.
Submachine Guns aren't a medium range weapon either. If if the Heavy is using an Assault variant then you're SOL. Proto I-Assault SMG still out ranges the Boundless.
This vaguely reminds me of the discussions when boosting Sidearm weapons were being countered essentially with, "Light weapons should be better than Sidearms."
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Derpty Derp
It's All Gone Derp
217
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Posted - 2014.07.14 18:57:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:REs, RRs, and ScRs 80 m out.
Or Jihad Jeeps. Those things can take out anything.
True, but I'm not sure lacing a jeep with explosives is the best way to take down a HMG Heavy... They're likely to just blow you up instantly... Then again if you want to give people a fair chance, so be it. |
gauntlet44 LbowDeep
Heaven84 Devils
General Tso's Alliance
83
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Posted - 2014.07.14 19:00:00 -
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Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:gauntlet44 LbowDeep wrote:a rail rifle at 80 meters This, don't beat Sents at their own game unless you are in a faster suit with proper sensors, and it's one on one, and there's enough cover that you can wear him down... And you feel lucky.
i die the most to this
second would be two heavys with hmg's and a logi
Absorb what is useful,
discard what is not,
make it uniquely your own........ Bruce Lee
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Victor889
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
145
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Posted - 2014.07.14 19:28:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:What is the hard counter to heavies in CQC-Medium range? Scout with SG is not a hard counter because it fails more than it succeeds.
Most things explodey
- RE's
- PC's
- MD's
- FG's
And burst HMG works wonders for me.
Part time Logi,
Full time heavy.
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RayRay James
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
231
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Posted - 2014.07.14 19:35:00 -
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An 'Exile' just outside their range
Remote Explosives, really anything explosive
If you're really sneaky sneaky, nova knives |
Sir Dukey
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
1028
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Posted - 2014.07.14 21:24:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Next will you ask what beats snipers at maximum range engagements?
you can use a sniper on an suit but you can't really beat a heavy without another heavy. This is unbalanced. I started a new account today and I absolutely no counter to a heavy, scouts die fast to my militia AR and medium suits as well but heavies are indestructible. Nerf HMG- too powerful and has too much range. Reduce range to 20m then add severe drop off. Make heavies more CQC based. A weapon with that much damage on a suit with that much HP coupled with that much range is OP. Reduce HMG range. |
Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
2332
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Posted - 2014.07.14 21:37:00 -
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Plasma Cannon. Finish with Rifle of choice.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
1340
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Posted - 2014.07.14 21:48:00 -
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.
Thats it^^^^
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
Kills-Archduke Ferd1nand
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
1340
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Posted - 2014.07.14 21:50:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Next will you ask what beats snipers at maximum range engagements? you can use a sniper on an suit but you can't really beat a heavy without another heavy. This is unbalanced. I started a new account today and I absolutely no counter to a heavy, scouts die fast to my militia AR and medium suits as well but heavies are indestructible. Nerf HMG- too powerful and has too much range. Reduce range to 20m then add severe drop off. Make heavies more CQC based. A weapon with that much damage on a suit with that much HP coupled with that much range is OP. Reduce HMG range.
i noticed that too with amarr MLT frontline on an alt.
6 shots from ScrP (2 head shots), then 2 full overheats of my ScR(with charge shot leading)+mlt locus were not enough to kill the cal sent before being instaganked
Balanced?
yes scount op it kil my hevy soot
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
Kills-Archduke Ferd1nand
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
2332
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Posted - 2014.07.14 21:56:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Next will you ask what beats snipers at maximum range engagements? you can use a sniper on an suit but you can't really beat a heavy without another heavy. This is unbalanced. I started a new account today and I absolutely no counter to a heavy, scouts die fast to my militia AR and medium suits as well but heavies are indestructible. Nerf HMG- too powerful and has too much range. Reduce range to 20m then add severe drop off. Make heavies more CQC based. A weapon with that much damage on a suit with that much HP coupled with that much range is OP. Reduce HMG range. i noticed that too with amarr MLT frontline on an alt. 6 shots from ScrP (2 head shots), then 2 full overheats of my ScR(with charge shot leading)+mlt locus were not enough to kill the cal sent before being instaganked Balanced? yes scount op it kil my hevy soot
Doesn't help that the Caldari Sentinel resists all the weapons you listed there. -10% from the Laser weapons meaning its only taking +10% after shield penalty, and then the grenade its going to resist 25% of it from skill and another 20% from shield bonus.
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
4991
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Posted - 2014.07.15 12:53:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Next will you ask what beats snipers at maximum range engagements? you can use a sniper on an suit but you can't really beat a heavy without another heavy. This is unbalanced. I started a new account today and I absolutely no counter to a heavy, scouts die fast to my militia AR and medium suits as well but heavies are indestructible. Nerf HMG- too powerful and has too much range. Reduce range to 20m then add severe drop off. Make heavies more CQC based. A weapon with that much damage on a suit with that much HP coupled with that much range is OP. Reduce HMG range.
Get gud scrub.
RIP Stinky Sleeve.
RIP Dust514.
See you on Destiny. PSN: GSDSteVB
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Leeroy Gannarsein
Legio DXIV
475
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Posted - 2014.07.15 13:55:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Next will you ask what beats snipers at maximum range engagements? you can use a sniper on an suit but you can't really beat a heavy without another heavy. This is unbalanced. I started a new account today and I absolutely no counter to a heavy, scouts die fast to my militia AR and medium suits as well but heavies are indestructible. Nerf HMG- too powerful and has too much range. Reduce range to 20m then add severe drop off. Make heavies more CQC based. A weapon with that much damage on a suit with that much HP coupled with that much range is OP. Reduce HMG range.
So it's balanced that you need a sniper to kill a sniper but not that you need an HMG to kill an HMG?
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Next will you ask what beats snipers at maximum range engagements? you can use a sniper on an suit but you can't really beat a heavy without another heavy. This is unbalanced. I started a new account today and I absolutely no counter to a heavy, scouts die fast to my militia AR and medium suits as well but heavies are indestructible. Nerf HMG- too powerful and has too much range. Reduce range to 20m then add severe drop off. Make heavies more CQC based. A weapon with that much damage on a suit with that much HP coupled with that much range is OP. Reduce HMG range. i noticed that too with amarr MLT frontline on an alt. 6 shots from ScrP (2 head shots), then 2 full overheats of my ScR(with charge shot leading)+mlt locus were not enough to kill the cal sent before being instaganked Balanced? yes scount op it kil my hevy soot
So assuming 6 shots including charge for a total of 4x ScP, 2x HS and 10x ScR, 2x Charged we're looking at about 800 raw damage from the pistols and about a thousand from the rifle.
A CalSent has a maximum EHP when fully brick tanked of about 1550. Its defenses are primarily shields; you'll be dealing at least 105% to those at minimum.
Either you're not as good a shot as you imply or you're grossly over exaggerating. Considering your attitude to heavies, even when it's pretty obvious scouts are problematic - but they're fine, aren't they. It's heavies that are the reason no-one plays mediums, isn't it...?
EDIT: damn, forgot your grenade.
Story is a load of BS.
It would seem like wisdom, but for the warning in my heart...
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
22
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Posted - 2014.07.15 13:58:00 -
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depending on the lvl of hmg a lr in medium - long for me...or i may just rofl stomp em with my own heavy....or scouts sg...
and if the mighty and op scout shotty fails for you then u must just be bad at it..because its so brokenly op lol
no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave
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