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Brokerib
Lone Wolves Club
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Posted - 2014.07.14 04:49:00 -
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Currently, Complex Cardiac Regulators are sub-standard compared to the Standard and Enhanced modules, for both fitting cost and benefit.
This is because a number of actions (jumping and melee) take a proportional amount of stamina (% of stamina) regardless of total (max) stamina. Due to this, stamina recharge is more important than max stamina when it comes to jumping or striking, and even running over a long enough distance (multiple runs at max stamina, where recharge becomes a consideration).
Overall the system makes sense (no endless melee or bunny-hoping) but it does mean that the Complex Cardiac module (with its balanced bonus) is less effective than either the Standard or Enhanced modules (with their asynchronous bonuses), as they reduce the overall recharge time for stamina and are better for overall mobility.
As an example, and using the Min Assault as the baseline.
Min Assault (base):
Max stamina: 200
Stamina recovery: 50/sec
Time to recovery (full): 4 sec
With Standard Cardio (Stam recovery: 50%/Max stam: 25%)
Max stamina: 250
Stamina recovery: 75/sec
Time to recovery (full): 3.333 sec
Enhanced Cardio (Stam recovery: 80%/Max stam: 50%)
Max stamina: 300
Stamina recovery: 90/sec
Time to recovery (full): 3.333 sec
Complex Cardio (Stam recovery: 100%/Max stam: 100%)
Max stamina: 400
Stamina recovery: 100/sec
Time to recovery (full): 4 sec
So the only instance in which the Complex module is superior, is when running for 40 seconds with no break and no jumps. With almost any other combination of movements, the Enahnced/Standard modules will be superior.
I would suggest the following changes to Cardiac modules.
Standard -
Stam recovery: 50% (same)
Max stam: 30% (+5%)
Enahnced -
Stam recovery: 80% (same)
Max stam: 50% (same)
Complex -
Stam recovery: 130% (+30%)
Max stam: 80% (-20%)
This results in a tiered progression, and make the Complex Cardio module clearly superior in max stamina, stam regen, and time to full regen. As an example, and using the same baseline:
With Standard Cardio (Stam recovery: 50%/Max stam: 30%)
Max stamina: 260
Stamina recovery: 75/sec
Time to recovery (full): 3.466 sec
Enhanced Cardio (Stam recovery: 80%/Max stam: 50%)
Max stamina: 300
Stamina recovery: 90/sec
Time to recovery (full): 3.333 sec
Complex Cardio (Stam recovery: 130%/Max stam: 80%)
Max stamina: 360
Stamina recovery: 115/sec
Time to recovery (full): 3.13 sec
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Atiim
Fooly Cooly.
Anime Empire.
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Posted - 2014.07.14 04:59:00 -
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If you want CCP Rattati to look at this, you'll need to create a spreadsheet.
The Snack That Smiles Back, Tankers!
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Brokerib
Lone Wolves Club
1641
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Posted - 2014.07.14 05:03:00 -
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Atiim wrote:If you want CCP Rattati to look at this, you'll need to create a spreadsheet.
I'll ask Appia if she's got some free time.
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Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.07.14 05:04:00 -
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I approve of the above.
You have earned the Cat Merc Seal of Approval (CMSA).
As a reward, here's a can of tuna.
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
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Brokerib
Lone Wolves Club
1641
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Posted - 2014.07.14 05:05:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:I approve of the above.
You have earned the Cat Merc Seal of Approval (CMSA).
As a reward, here's a can of tuna.
MEOW!
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Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
10916
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Posted - 2014.07.14 05:15:00 -
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Made a spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_U79gIiqoSNqzTxkslqBQxrZ4_7jXJjCYjDj0nUrgnk/edit?usp=sharing
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
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Brokerib
Lone Wolves Club
1641
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Posted - 2014.07.14 05:17:00 -
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Thank you Cat, it's very much apprecaited.
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Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
10919
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Posted - 2014.07.14 05:35:00 -
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Made the spreadsheet slightly prettier, and made it so that modifying the base numbers would change the results automatically, to make it easy to change the proposal.
o7
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
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Haerr
Legio DXIV
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Posted - 2014.07.14 09:17:00 -
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+1 to all of this
Will vote for: pÇîA·P·P·I·ApÇì & pÇîR·H·A·D·ApÇì despite them hating on Nordic food customs. ;)
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.07.14 11:30:00 -
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+1 for better CardRegs.
+1 to CatMerc for the help :-)
Shoot scout with yes...
- Ripley Riley
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
3064
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Posted - 2014.07.14 11:40:00 -
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I'm not gonna disagree here, might even make people fit them over EHP modules.
Jist maybe.
They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank!
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
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Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
10943
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Posted - 2014.07.14 15:56:00 -
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I added Caldari/Gallente and Amarr Assaults to the graph.
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Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
10943
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Posted - 2014.07.14 16:27:00 -
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Final update to the spreadsheet, all suits and their racial variants are now listed.
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Syeven Reed
G0DS AM0NG MEN
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Posted - 2014.07.14 17:28:00 -
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Endorsed.
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Dauth Jenkins
Merc-0107
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Posted - 2014.07.14 20:58:00 -
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I aprove of this post. +1
-Sincerely
--The Dual Swarm Commando
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Boot Booter
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.07.14 21:06:00 -
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Sounds good to me.
What happened to the repair tool glow?
Why won't CCP answer?
Conspiracy?
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Brokerib
Lone Wolves Club
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Posted - 2014.07.15 01:46:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Final update to the spreadsheet, all suits and their racial variants are now listed.
Thanks again Cat!
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