DUST Search - Why is Isk payout in matches so garbage?

deezy dabest wrote:

Mauren NOON wrote:

deezy dabest wrote:

As stated above you most likely came in late, also you probably only had a small share of the points which the team scored.

On to my next point. It is quite annoying seeing people that do not understand the payout system what so ever saying that it needs to be changed. The payout is created by the ISK destroyed in battle. Everyone in the game has the choice to raise payouts by spending more and destroying more. If you do not believe me then get a squad of 6 guys to Q sync against your squad and fight each other in full proto. What you will find is a significantly increased payout as long as you have a good share of the WP on both sides.

Here is a link to one of the few times CCP was clear about a mechanic which explains the payouts very well.

It is the useless ranting by forum warriors who have no idea the mechanics they are talking about which only feeds CCP's propensity for ****** changes. You are only making yourself look bad by whining about a situation which you have obviously not taken more than a moment to think about.

And as I stated, I didn't join late...and 2 of my kills were proto scouts...so if you know as much as you say you do about the payout system, why are 2 proto scouts worth less than 30k? Answers Einstein? And before you start stating people's idiocies or what you think to be idiocies, try to get more details but nice try kid

You are not paid based on what YOU destroy. You are paid based on total isk destroyed in battle. Once all of the isk destroyed in battle is added up and divided based on winner or loser your share is directly related to your share of the WP total for your team.

Again, had you read the article you would know this. It really is not rocket science so Einstein may be a bit of an overstatement.

INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC/ Peaceful Pirate No Dagger Just Swagger/ Num1 AHole in Dust/ Politically Incorrect MAN

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Mauren NOON The Exemplars Top Men. 383	Posted - 2014.07.14 04:05:00 - [1] - Quote I just played a game of skirmish. I went 3/0(undesirable map...I was sniping) and I got 37,472 Isk.....W T F??? In what world does 37k Isk seem fair? If I got 50wp and got 37k I would still be mad. The cost of deployment would be at least 50k. Please increase Isk payout CCP. Scr and commando enthusiast. A commando is not just a suit, but a way of life... "The only thing to fear is fear itself"
Malkai Inos Any Given Day 1502	Posted - 2014.07.14 04:15:00 - [2] - Quote Three kills +á 50WP. Total WP==50. How did you...what? You totally can get **** for ISK if you're joining late to the game but that WP total doesn't make sense. Edit: Meh. Misread the WP part. Still. you probably joined late or triggered some AFK prevention with your "patient" playstyle. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
Atiim Fooly Cooly. Anime Empire. 10454	Posted - 2014.07.14 04:24:00 - [3] - Quote I agree that ISK payouts in Public Contracts need to be increased, but if you only go 3/0 while contributing nothing to your team, you shouldn't get jack shit. The Snack That Smiles Back, Tankers! -HAND
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8770	Posted - 2014.07.14 04:26:00 - [4] - Quote If you come in late, even if it is less than a minute into the match, you will get a pretty heavily reduced payout. It's rather stupid and seems to happen a lot when I queue up solo. I always back out of those matches as soon as I notice, not worth it. Amarr are the good guys Their way of the Commando seems right and noble
Thumb Green The Valyrian Guard 1108	Posted - 2014.07.14 04:28:00 - [5] - Quote Must have came in late. I've came into plenty of matches late and end up getting the most WP's on my team by far but still get less than 200k; a lot of times it's barely over 100k but if it's really late it's usually less than 50k. Still, playing to win can break you pretty fast when you're on the crap team. So I certainly agree the payout needs to be higher because I usually play to win and unfortunately I'm usually on the crap team of random newberries. Can't say I'm all that surprised. I've been drinking and may be drunk.... probably like most dust players.
Mauren NOON The Exemplars Top Men. 383	Posted - 2014.07.14 04:38:00 - [6] - Quote I didn't join late. I just got a lot of kill assists. And 3 kills. I got 500 and some odd wp. I was in top 10 Scr and commando enthusiast. A commando is not just a suit, but a way of life... "The only thing to fear is fear itself"
deezy dabest Sacred Initiative of Combat Killers IMMORTAL REGIME 764	Posted - 2014.07.14 04:46:00 - [7] - Quote As stated above you most likely came in late, also with only 3 kills, also you probably only had a small share of the points which the team scored. On to my next point. It is quite annoying seeing people that do not understand the payout system what so ever saying that it needs to be changed. The payout is created by the ISK destroyed in battle. Everyone in the game has the choice to raise payouts by spending more and destroying more. If you do not believe me then get a squad of 6 guys to Q sync against your squad and fight each other in full proto. What you will find is a significantly increased payout as long as you have a good share of the WP on both sides. Here is a link to one of the few times CCP was clear about a mechanic which explains the payouts very well. It is the useless ranting by forum warriors who have no idea the mechanics they are talking about which only feeds CCP's propensity for ****** changes. You are only making yourself look bad by whining about a situation which you have obviously not taken more than a moment to think about. Laser focused in a room full of mirrors. Everything you ever wanted coming SoonGäó just keep buying boosters.
Mauren NOON The Exemplars Top Men. 383	Posted - 2014.07.14 05:16:00 - [8] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: As stated above you most likely came in late, also you probably only had a small share of the points which the team scored. On to my next point. It is quite annoying seeing people that do not understand the payout system what so ever saying that it needs to be changed. The payout is created by the ISK destroyed in battle. Everyone in the game has the choice to raise payouts by spending more and destroying more. If you do not believe me then get a squad of 6 guys to Q sync against your squad and fight each other in full proto. What you will find is a significantly increased payout as long as you have a good share of the WP on both sides. Here is a link to one of the few times CCP was clear about a mechanic which explains the payouts very well. It is the useless ranting by forum warriors who have no idea the mechanics they are talking about which only feeds CCP's propensity for ****** changes. You are only making yourself look bad by whining about a situation which you have obviously not taken more than a moment to think about. And as I stated, I didn't join late...and 2 of my kills were proto scouts...so if you know as much as you say you do about the payout system, why are 2 proto scouts worth less than 30k? Answers Einstein? And before you start stating people's idiocies or what you think to be idiocies, try to get more details but nice try kid Scr and commando enthusiast. A commando is not just a suit, but a way of life... "The only thing to fear is fear itself"
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 512	Posted - 2014.07.14 05:18:00 - [9] - Quote Mauren NOON wrote: I just played a game of skirmish. I went 3/0(undesirable map...I was sniping) and I got 37,472 Isk.....W T F??? In what world does 37k Isk seem fair? If I got 50wp and got 37k I would still be mad. The cost of deployment would be at least 50k. Please increase Isk payout CCP. why are isk pay outs garbage? in pubs? because pubs are garbage... and in that match apparently you were garbage too... I just went 30/14 got 2224 wp and made 465,000 isk running a dren logi suit w/remotes and links... my suit is 10,500 isk made over 300k.....
Mauren NOON The Exemplars Top Men. 383	Posted - 2014.07.14 05:26:00 - [10] - Quote Seymour KrelbornX wrote: Mauren NOON wrote: I just played a game of skirmish. I went 3/0(undesirable map...I was sniping) and I got 37,472 Isk.....W T F??? In what world does 37k Isk seem fair? If I got 50wp and got 37k I would still be mad. The cost of deployment would be at least 50k. Please increase Isk payout CCP. why are isk pay outs garbage? in pubs? because pubs are garbage... and in that match apparently you were garbage too... I just went 30/14 got 2224 wp and made 465,000 isk running a dren logi suit w/remotes and links... my suit is 10,500 isk made over 300k..... Good job for the wp. But I will never recognize anyone who uses remotes as a main weapon on their suit. And earlier today I went 25/9 with a std amarr scout with all militia. With no remotes. So your not as good as you think but still, nice work on the wp Scr and commando enthusiast. A commando is not just a suit, but a way of life... "The only thing to fear is fear itself"

Malkai Inos Any Given Day 1502	Posted - 2014.07.14 05:36:00 - [11] - Quote Mauren NOON wrote: And as I stated, I didn't join late...and 2 of my kills were proto scouts...so if you know as much as you say you do about the payout system, why are 2 proto scouts worth less than 30k? Answers Einstein? And before you start stating people's idiocies or what you think to be idiocies, try to get more details but nice try kid Because you're not getting paid for your individual kills but a portion of the total ISK destruction plus some fixed contract value all modified by your active battle time and and your relative WP contribution (you didn't read the linked article). You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
deezy dabest Sacred Initiative of Combat Killers IMMORTAL REGIME 764	Posted - 2014.07.14 05:39:00 - [12] - Quote Mauren NOON wrote: deezy dabest wrote: As stated above you most likely came in late, also you probably only had a small share of the points which the team scored. On to my next point. It is quite annoying seeing people that do not understand the payout system what so ever saying that it needs to be changed. The payout is created by the ISK destroyed in battle. Everyone in the game has the choice to raise payouts by spending more and destroying more. If you do not believe me then get a squad of 6 guys to Q sync against your squad and fight each other in full proto. What you will find is a significantly increased payout as long as you have a good share of the WP on both sides. Here is a link to one of the few times CCP was clear about a mechanic which explains the payouts very well. It is the useless ranting by forum warriors who have no idea the mechanics they are talking about which only feeds CCP's propensity for ****** changes. You are only making yourself look bad by whining about a situation which you have obviously not taken more than a moment to think about. And as I stated, I didn't join late...and 2 of my kills were proto scouts...so if you know as much as you say you do about the payout system, why are 2 proto scouts worth less than 30k? Answers Einstein? And before you start stating people's idiocies or what you think to be idiocies, try to get more details but nice try kid You are not paid based on what YOU destroy. You are paid based on total isk destroyed in battle. Once all of the isk destroyed in battle is added up and divided based on winner or loser your share is directly related to your share of the WP total for your team. Again, had you read the article you would know this. It really is not rocket science so Einstein may be a bit of an overstatement. Laser focused in a room full of mirrors. Everything you ever wanted coming SoonGäó just keep buying boosters.
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 512	Posted - 2014.07.14 05:40:00 - [13] - Quote Mauren NOON wrote: Seymour KrelbornX wrote: Mauren NOON wrote: I just played a game of skirmish. I went 3/0(undesirable map...I was sniping) and I got 37,472 Isk.....W T F??? In what world does 37k Isk seem fair? If I got 50wp and got 37k I would still be mad. The cost of deployment would be at least 50k. Please increase Isk payout CCP. why are isk pay outs garbage? in pubs? because pubs are garbage... and in that match apparently you were garbage too... I just went 30/14 got 2224 wp and made 465,000 isk running a dren logi suit w/remotes and links... my suit is 10,500 isk made over 300k..... Good job for the wp. But I will never recognize anyone who uses remotes as a main weapon on their suit. And earlier today I went 25/9 with a std amarr scout with all militia. With no remotes. So your not as good as you think but still, nice work on the wp I don't use them as a main weapon... I set traps with them... killed just as many with my dren shotty...
Mejt0 Made in Poland... E-R-A 189	Posted - 2014.07.14 09:14:00 - [14] - Quote Isks payouts too low? Then do some **** to your team geez. My every match, no matter if i play with proto or std (very rarely), and vs militia/proto guys. Im always getting 300-500k per match, no matter if i lose 0 isks or 2m isks. And so do get every other players who plays in game. Learn to make wp. Thats what gives you isks. Killing is small part of money in pubs. If ill go 30/0 in kill while not being 1-3 place and with wp only from killing, the payout will be lowered. If ill make few kill (or +10) and make a lot of wp from hacking, destroing vehs/instalations then payout is at top place. Roll out of redline and dont waste 1 of 16 slots next time. -~-~-~-Caldari Loyalist-~-~-~-My CreoDron wont miss any of you
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 844	Posted - 2014.07.14 09:32:00 - [15] - Quote Mauren NOON wrote: I just played a game of skirmish. I went 3/0(undesirable map...I was sniping) and I got 37,472 Isk.....W T F??? In what world does 37k Isk seem fair? If I got 50wp and got 37k I would still be mad. The cost of deployment would be at least 50k. Please increase Isk payout CCP. isk payout is from expensive things killed or blown up in a match and you sure didn't help snipeing 3 people. KEQ diplomat/ intel /GC officer
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 15376	Posted - 2014.07.14 09:37:00 - [16] - Quote I get more ISK AFKing matches sometimes. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4988	Posted - 2014.07.14 10:02:00 - [17] - Quote Because you're bad and you should feel bad. RIP Stinky Sleeve. RIP Dust514. See you on Destiny. PSN: GSDSteVB
TechMechMeds Inner.Hell 3866	Posted - 2014.07.14 10:22:00 - [18] - Quote Run logi to steal the winnings. That is all. Be vigilant!, for there are those that remove the teabag BEFORE adding milk!. This is unacceptable!.
aaaasdff ertgfdd 138	Posted - 2014.07.14 10:43:00 - [19] - Quote Mauren NOON wrote: I just played a game of skirmish. I went 3/0(undesirable map...I was sniping) and I got 37,472 Isk.....W T F??? In what world does 37k Isk seem fair? If I got 50wp and got 37k I would still be mad. The cost of deployment would be at least 50k. Please increase Isk payout CCP. Its all about wp, the person with the most wp gets the most isk. Its not, too high so that running proto gear off of pubs is not easy. I dont know about fair, I dont use that word. Thats Obamas department. INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC/ Peaceful Pirate No Dagger Just Swagger/ Num1 AHole in Dust/ Politically Incorrect MAN
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 2460	Posted - 2014.07.14 10:46:00 - [20] - Quote Meanwhile in ambush OMS Duna is gaining millions over millions... PSN: ogamega "Dust is full of communist who despise people with enough isk to buy expensive items"

aaaasdff ertgfdd 138	Posted - 2014.07.14 10:50:00 - [21] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: Mauren NOON wrote: deezy dabest wrote: As stated above you most likely came in late, also you probably only had a small share of the points which the team scored. On to my next point. It is quite annoying seeing people that do not understand the payout system what so ever saying that it needs to be changed. The payout is created by the ISK destroyed in battle. Everyone in the game has the choice to raise payouts by spending more and destroying more. If you do not believe me then get a squad of 6 guys to Q sync against your squad and fight each other in full proto. What you will find is a significantly increased payout as long as you have a good share of the WP on both sides. Here is a link to one of the few times CCP was clear about a mechanic which explains the payouts very well. It is the useless ranting by forum warriors who have no idea the mechanics they are talking about which only feeds CCP's propensity for ****** changes. You are only making yourself look bad by whining about a situation which you have obviously not taken more than a moment to think about. And as I stated, I didn't join late...and 2 of my kills were proto scouts...so if you know as much as you say you do about the payout system, why are 2 proto scouts worth less than 30k? Answers Einstein? And before you start stating people's idiocies or what you think to be idiocies, try to get more details but nice try kid You are not paid based on what YOU destroy. You are paid based on total isk destroyed in battle. Once all of the isk destroyed in battle is added up and divided based on winner or loser your share is directly related to your share of the WP total for your team. Again, had you read the article you would know this. It really is not rocket science so Einstein may be a bit of an overstatement. This is partially true but to make it simple. Your isk is payout is based on one thing, wp, the more war points the more isk. The guy in first place with the most wp ALWAYS gets the most isk. If you blow up 10 tanks and I put down 15 drop up links and I get 5000 wp and you get 4999 I get more isk. Thats how it works. Its simple. The more wp gets more isk. Guy with the most wp gets the most isk. Also the larger your wp count is in 1st place from the guy in 2nd place the bigger the gap in payout. INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC/ Peaceful Pirate No Dagger Just Swagger/ Num1 AHole in Dust/ Politically Incorrect MAN
aaaasdff ertgfdd 138	Posted - 2014.07.14 10:56:00 - [22] - Quote Mauren NOON wrote: I just played a game of skirmish. I went 3/0(undesirable map...I was sniping) and I got 37,472 Isk.....W T F??? In what world does 37k Isk seem fair? If I got 50wp and got 37k I would still be mad. The cost of deployment would be at least 50k. Please increase Isk payout CCP. The really easy answer is its because you are a ****** sniper who doesnt make any wp. INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC/ Peaceful Pirate No Dagger Just Swagger/ Num1 AHole in Dust/ Politically Incorrect MAN
Onesimus Tarsus Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 2308	Posted - 2014.07.14 12:55:00 - [23] - Quote They finally got my memo to stop paying snipers. Good. K/D(r) WP/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period. Beh!
Derpty Derp It's All Gone Derp 209	Posted - 2014.07.14 13:01:00 - [24] - Quote 9 times out of 10, if I'm thrown into a match where the mcc shields are already buggered, I'll just quit and jump into a different match. When being thrown onto the losing side (as that's where most of the ragequits will occur) there should be a massive bonus for being thrown in late, otherwise there's no incentive to actually try to turn the tide of the battle.
NAV HIV The Generals Anime Empire. 1894	Posted - 2014.07.14 13:41:00 - [25] - Quote Mauren NOON wrote: I just played a game of skirmish. I went 3/0(undesirable map...I was sniping) and I got 37,472 Isk.....W T F??? In what world does 37k Isk seem fair? If I got 50wp and got 37k I would still be mad. The cost of deployment would be at least 50k. Please increase Isk payout CCP. It's a Randomly generated number... You can kill 10-15 Proto suit wearing Red dots... Win the match and get 200k or less or you could go 6-1 and spam some uplinks, beat random academy blueberries and get over 500k .... lol
Mauren NOON The Exemplars Top Men. 385	Posted - 2014.07.14 14:29:00 - [26] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: Isks payouts too low? Then do some **** to your team geez. My every match, no matter if i play with proto or std (very rarely), and vs militia/proto guys. Im always getting 300-500k per match, no matter if i lose 0 isks or 2m isks. And so do get every other players who plays in game. Learn to make wp. Thats what gives you isks. Killing is small part of money in pubs. If ill go 30/0 in kill while not being 1-3 place and with wp only from killing, the payout will be lowered. If ill make few kills (or +10) and make a lot of wp from hacking, destroing vehs/instalations then payout is at top place. Roll out of redline and dont waste 1 of 16 slots next time. EDIT: After reading guys before me. Yea thats right. But for most ppl you just need to tell that WP and place at the end means more isks. Yea. Sorry for not being a mouse and keyboard sniper...but I will be the first to admit that I'm nowhere close to the best sniper. And I really don't need people saying I didn't get Isk for being a sniper. And those who think I was in the redline can rest at ease because I wasn't but I saw no reason to waste my time dying when 3/4 of my team was an NPC corp. the other team was stacked Scr and commando enthusiast. A commando is not just a suit, but a way of life... "The only thing to fear is fear itself"
Mauren NOON The Exemplars Top Men. 385	Posted - 2014.07.14 14:32:00 - [27] - Quote aaaasdff ertgfdd wrote: Mauren NOON wrote: I just played a game of skirmish. I went 3/0(undesirable map...I was sniping) and I got 37,472 Isk.....W T F??? In what world does 37k Isk seem fair? If I got 50wp and got 37k I would still be mad. The cost of deployment would be at least 50k. Please increase Isk payout CCP. The really easy answer is its because you are a ****** sniper who doesnt make any wp. Who are you? Don't mean to be rude but I don't need criticisms from a guy whose name is on the borderline of autism. That is all Scr and commando enthusiast. A commando is not just a suit, but a way of life... "The only thing to fear is fear itself"
Jimmy Slapnuts Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 27	Posted - 2014.07.14 14:33:00 - [28] - Quote Mauren NOON wrote: I just played a game of skirmish. I went 3/0(undesirable map...I was sniping) This is why. Mystery solved. Do more, contribute more, and you'll earn more.
Mauren NOON The Exemplars Top Men. 385	Posted - 2014.07.14 14:34:00 - [29] - Quote But I really do appreciate the people that gave me a straight answer without spitting my kills in my face first :) Scr and commando enthusiast. A commando is not just a suit, but a way of life... "The only thing to fear is fear itself"
Mauren NOON The Exemplars Top Men. 385	Posted - 2014.07.14 14:37:00 - [30] - Quote Jimmy Slapnuts wrote: Mauren NOON wrote: I just played a game of skirmish. I went 3/0(undesirable map...I was sniping) This is why. Mystery solved. Do more, contribute more, and you'll earn more. sigh I really am tired of saying this put listen slapnuts...I but down uplinks before I was sniping and got too many kill assists. Ended up with around 700 wp. Scr and commando enthusiast. A commando is not just a suit, but a way of life... "The only thing to fear is fear itself"



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