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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2014.07.13 20:06:00 -
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Commando role bonus: 5% reduction of light and sidearm weapon PG/CPU per level.
Amarr commando bonus: 5% increase in reload speed + 5% increase in reserve ammo for laser weaponry per level.
Caldari commando bonus: 5% increase in reload speed + 5% increase in reserve ammo for hybrid-rail weaponry per level.
Gallente commando bonus: 5% increase in reload speed + 5% increase in reserve ammo for hybrid-plasma weaponry per level.
Minmatar commando bonus: 5% increase in reload speed + 5% increase in reserve ammo for projectile and explosive weaponry per level.
Reasoning:
Since commandos have 2 light weapons to fit, the assault's weapon fitting bonus would be much more useful on the commando.
Reload speed alone is pretty underwhelming, adding an ammo reserve bonus as part of the racial bonus would make commandos able to engage in longer periods of time without needing to resupply; would be useful considering the lack of speed makes getting to nanohives and supply depots take longer.
Actually I would be open to othr different racial bonuses for commandos, like rate of fire bonus.
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Assault role bonus: 2% increase in damage of light and sidearm weapons per level.
Amarr assault bonus: 5% decrease of heat buildup of laser weaponry per level.
Caldari assault bonus: 5% increase in hybrid-rail weaponry magazine size per level.
Gallente assault bonus: 5% increase in hybrid-plasma weaponry magazine size per level.
Minmatar assault bonus: 5% increase in projectile weaponry magazine size per level.
Reasoning:
Damage bonus would make assaults more attractive.
The Caldari assault reload bonus is pretty crappy considering the Caldari commando gets the same reload bonus in addition to a damage bonus. I have a Gallente assault level 5 alt account, and I find the Gallente assault bonus almost unnoticeable on my AR.
Both the Amarr and Minmatar assaults have good bonuses; allows them to keep shooting longer before stopping from overheat/magazine-depletion. I would suggest giving the Gallente and Caldari assault magazine size bonuses to their racial weapons
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
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Posted - 2014.07.13 20:59:00 -
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I'd just stop using my commando if this happens.
Run, hide in fear while you can for the Amarr Scout is on the hunt!
The eyes of God compelles you!!!
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.07.13 21:33:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Commando role bonus: 5% reduction of light and sidearm weapon PG/CPU per level. Amarr commando bonus: 5% increase in reload speed + 5% increase in reserve ammo for laser weaponry per level.
Caldari commando bonus: 5% increase in reload speed + 5% increase in reserve ammo for hybrid-rail weaponry per level.
Gallente commando bonus: 5% increase in reload speed + 5% increase in reserve ammo for hybrid-plasma weaponry per level.
Minmatar commando bonus: 5% increase in reload speed + 5% increase in reserve ammo for projectile and explosive weaponry per level.
Reasoning:Since commandos have 2 light weapons to fit, the assault's weapon fitting bonus would be much more useful on the commando. Reload speed alone is pretty underwhelming, adding an ammo reserve bonus as part of the racial bonus would make commandos able to engage in longer periods of time without needing to resupply; would be useful considering the lack of speed makes getting to nanohives and supply depots take longer. Actually I would be open to othr different racial bonuses for commandos, like rate of fire bonus. ____ Assault role bonus: 2% increase in damage of light and sidearm weapons per level. Amarr assault bonus: 5% decrease of heat buildup of laser weaponry per level.
Caldari assault bonus: 5% increase in hybrid-rail weaponry magazine size per level.
Gallente assault bonus: 5% increase in hybrid-plasma weaponry magazine size per level.
Minmatar assault bonus: 5% increase in projectile weaponry magazine size per level.
Reasoning:Damage bonus would make assaults more attractive. The Caldari assault reload bonus is pretty crappy considering the Caldari commando gets the same reload bonus in addition to a damage bonus. I have a Gallente assault level 5 alt account, and I find the Gallente assault bonus almost unnoticeable on my AR. Both the Amarr and Minmatar assaults have good bonuses; allows them to keep shooting longer before stopping from overheat/magazine-depletion. I would suggest giving the Gallente and Caldari assault magazine size bonuses to their racial weapons
*Backhands Kagehoshi......
I though you was different bro!
Commando's have no need to CPU/PG they can fit any weapons they wish as of now.
"I guess this is goodbye for now Little One. This is how you will become one of us, one of the Amarr." - Kador Ouryon
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2014.07.13 21:37:00 -
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ROF bonus for all assault suits.
Amarr - bonus to laser heat buildup (same bonus it has now)
Caldari - increase to shield regen per level. (let the bonus be one that makes sense for the suit and is useful).
Gallente - increase to armor repair rate per level
Minmatar - increase to number of bullets (same bonus it has now)
> Check RND out here
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.07.13 21:50:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:ROF bonus for all assault suits.
Amarr - bonus to laser heat buildup (same bonus it has now)
Caldari - increase to shield regen per level. (let the bonus be one that makes sense for the suit and is useful).
Gallente - increase to armor repair rate per level
Minmatar - increase to number of bullets (same bonus it has now)
Assaults should not have bonuses to tanking types. That begins to border on the role of Sentinels and Commando, which are designed to be the durable platforms.
Assaults are designed, as I see them, to be high DPS and strong regeneration platforms, able to engage best and medium range, our DPS a foe, and have a short down time before redeploying back into combat.
If anything the Commando's need something that will aid their role. That being mid to long range fire support platforms, aka the Ultimate Suppression Warrior CCP talked about.
"I guess this is goodbye for now Little One. This is how you will become one of us, one of the Amarr." - Kador Ouryon
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hfderrtgvcd
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.13 21:51:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Commando role bonus: 5% reduction of light and sidearm weapon PG/CPU per level. Amarr commando bonus: 5% increase in reload speed + 5% increase in reserve ammo for laser weaponry per level.
Caldari commando bonus: 5% increase in reload speed + 5% increase in reserve ammo for hybrid-rail weaponry per level.
Gallente commando bonus: 5% increase in reload speed + 5% increase in reserve ammo for hybrid-plasma weaponry per level.
Minmatar commando bonus: 5% increase in reload speed + 5% increase in reserve ammo for projectile and explosive weaponry per level.
Reasoning:Since commandos have 2 light weapons to fit, the assault's weapon fitting bonus would be much more useful on the commando. Reload speed alone is pretty underwhelming, adding an ammo reserve bonus as part of the racial bonus would make commandos able to engage in longer periods of time without needing to resupply; would be useful considering the lack of speed makes getting to nanohives and supply depots take longer. Actually I would be open to othr different racial bonuses for commandos, like rate of fire bonus. ____ Assault role bonus: 2% increase in damage of light and sidearm weapons per level. Amarr assault bonus: 5% decrease of heat buildup of laser weaponry per level.
Caldari assault bonus: 5% increase in hybrid-rail weaponry magazine size per level.
Gallente assault bonus: 5% increase in hybrid-plasma weaponry magazine size per level.
Minmatar assault bonus: 5% increase in projectile weaponry magazine size per level.
Reasoning:Damage bonus would make assaults more attractive. The Caldari assault reload bonus is pretty crappy considering the Caldari commando gets the same reload bonus in addition to a damage bonus. I have a Gallente assault level 5 alt account, and I find the Gallente assault bonus almost unnoticeable on my AR. Both the Amarr and Minmatar assaults have good bonuses; allows them to keep shooting longer before stopping from overheat/magazine-depletion. I would suggest giving the Gallente and Caldari assault magazine size bonuses to their racial weapons
Why would you nerf the commando to make the assault more popular? The commando is already useless at a competitive level for anything other than av. |
DeathwindRising
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Posted - 2014.07.13 22:05:00 -
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rof bonus at 5% per level... ARR would 750 rpm and 500 dps with its 100m range. anybody want this?
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shady merc
RisingSuns
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.07.13 22:21:00 -
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Only thing I can agree with is that Caldari and possibly Gallenet(haven't used the bonus) bonus need a change. However I feel this option simply move the assault suit in to the commando spot as 4 most used suit. And doesn't fix the issue, the straight clip size increase across the board is kinda boring. But I understand getting a skill for each race is rather tough. |
DeathwindRising
ROGUE RELICS
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Posted - 2014.07.13 22:32:00 -
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shady merc wrote:Only thing I can agree with is that Caldari and possibly Gallenet(haven't used the bonus) bonus need a change. However I feel this option simply move the assault suit in to the commando spot as 4 most used suit. And doesn't fix the issue, the straight clip size increase across the board is kinda boring. But I understand getting a skill for each race is rather tough.
could ask for an event to test out new bonuses? say we get assault suits for each race with different bonuses. we try them for a week and then vote after on which one we want. |
Lynn Beck
Fooly Cooly.
Anime Empire.
2042
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Posted - 2014.07.13 22:49:00 -
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What if, Gallente Assault had its' recoil/dispersion bonus swapped for a +2% to RoF, while Caldari got a reduction in Kick/Recoil of 5% per level, allowing them better use of their Rr?
Oh, and changed (possibly)
Commando's bonuses to +20% ammo instead of a reload bonus
Change the racial to a +3/4/5% per level to Effective Range, thus enabling them to engage from range.
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MINA Longstrike
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Posted - 2014.07.13 23:12:00 -
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The current bonuses are good for the most part - commandos are 'specialists' in that they can carry main line weapons as well as more niche choices too.
Assaults need some tweaking in terms of hp stats / regen, but aside from caldari (which needs kick reduction added to the existing bonus) the current bonuses are good.
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Store Trine
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.13 23:19:00 -
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What about making the assault a better shot with reduced kickback. Make them superior with a good aim |
Ace Mercenary
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.07.14 00:07:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Commando role bonus: 5% reduction of light and sidearm weapon PG/CPU per level. Amarr commando bonus: 5% increase in reload speed + 5% increase in reserve ammo for laser weaponry per level.
Caldari commando bonus: 5% increase in reload speed + 5% increase in reserve ammo for hybrid-rail weaponry per level.
Gallente commando bonus: 5% increase in reload speed + 5% increase in reserve ammo for hybrid-plasma weaponry per level.
Minmatar commando bonus: 5% increase in reload speed + 5% increase in reserve ammo for projectile and explosive weaponry per level.
Reasoning:Since commandos have 2 light weapons to fit, the assault's weapon fitting bonus would be much more useful on the commando. Reload speed alone is pretty underwhelming, adding an ammo reserve bonus as part of the racial bonus would make commandos able to engage in longer periods of time without needing to resupply; would be useful considering the lack of speed makes getting to nanohives and supply depots take longer. Actually I would be open to othr different racial bonuses for commandos, like rate of fire bonus. ____ Assault role bonus: 2% increase in damage of light and sidearm weapons per level. Amarr assault bonus: 5% decrease of heat buildup of laser weaponry per level.
Caldari assault bonus: 5% increase in hybrid-rail weaponry magazine size per level.
Gallente assault bonus: 5% increase in hybrid-plasma weaponry magazine size per level.
Minmatar assault bonus: 5% increase in projectile weaponry magazine size per level.
Reasoning:Damage bonus would make assaults more attractive. The Caldari assault reload bonus is pretty crappy considering the Caldari commando gets the same reload bonus in addition to a damage bonus. I have a Gallente assault level 5 alt account, and I find the Gallente assault bonus almost unnoticeable on my AR. Both the Amarr and Minmatar assaults have good bonuses; allows them to keep shooting longer before stopping from overheat/magazine-depletion. I would suggest giving the Gallente and Caldari assault magazine size bonuses to their racial weapons
Assaults already fixed. Hotfix charlie is going to be the fix. Btw the hell is everyone using an AR on a cal assault .__. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2014.07.14 01:14:00 -
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Changed original post for commandos to have ROF bonuses to retain their current damage per second.
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Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.07.14 01:30:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Commando role bonus: 5% reduction of light and sidearm weapon PG/CPU per level. Amarr commando bonus: 2% increase in rate of fire of laser weaponry per level.
Caldari commando bonus: 2% increase in rate of fire of hybrid-rail weaponry per level.
Gallente commando bonus: 2% increase in rate of fire of hybrid-plasma weaponry per level.
Minmatar commando bonus:2% increase in rate of fire of projectile and explosive weaponry per level.
Reasoning:Since commandos have 2 light weapons to fit, the assault's weapon fitting bonus would be much more useful on the commando. Rate of fire bonuses will keep commandos keeping their current damage per second, though it will lead to going through ammo faster. ____ Assault role bonus: 2% increase in damage of light and sidearm weapons per level. Amarr assault bonus: 5% decrease of heat buildup of laser weaponry per level.
Caldari assault bonus: 5% increase in hybrid-rail weaponry magazine size per level.
Gallente assault bonus: 5% increase in hybrid-plasma weaponry magazine size per level.
Minmatar assault bonus: 5% increase in projectile weaponry magazine size per level.
Reasoning:Damage bonus would make assaults more attractive. The Caldari assault reload bonus is pretty crappy considering the Caldari commando gets the same reload bonus in addition to a damage bonus. I have a Gallente assault level 5 alt account, and I find the Gallente assault bonus almost unnoticeable on my AR. Both the Amarr and Minmatar assaults have good bonuses; allows them to keep shooting longer before stopping from overheat/magazine-depletion. I would suggest giving the Gallente and Caldari assault magazine size bonuses to their racial weapons
Ok...couple question / comments.
1) How do you foresee the proposed ROF increase working for the Amarr CDO? For SCR weapons that will create the opposite effect of "suppression fighting". The SCR is single shot, the ASCR might actually overheat (not a bad thing), and I can't envision how this works on the LR as it is a steady stream.
2) Caldari Commando bonus...again, if you want more suppression that means longer trigger time. The Bonus you propose for the Assaults is MUCH more relevant for the Cal Commando.
3) For the Cal Assault...you are correct that the reload speed is not a critical limiting factor and is redundant with the CDO role bonus. I would propose that a Lvl 5 Cal Assautl should have very little charge up time on the RR. This is much more in line with the Amarr and Minmatar weapons.
4) Gal Commando - again..trigger time is key. Increased ammo reservoir would be pretty useful to them.
5) Gal Assault - should be the medium frame CQC master.. I would recommend 3% increase to optimal//effective range per level perhaps OR a 2% per level ROF bonus.
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Lynn Beck
Fooly Cooly.
Anime Empire.
2043
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Posted - 2014.07.14 01:40:00 -
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Laser rifles' damage increases based off of shots fired(going up at a steady .1 per shot or something), while heat for all weaponry is based off of time fired.
A laser rifle having a Heat bonus of 25% will shoot for longer, but one that has a RoF bonus will ramp its' damage up a lot quicker, dealing severe damage.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.07.14 01:43:00 -
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Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:the ASCR might actually overheat (not a bad thing)
You know you say that like it doesn't happen.
It really does.
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Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.07.14 01:46:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:the ASCR might actually overheat (not a bad thing)
You know you say that like it doesn't happen. It really does.
I know it does, True.
I ran the ASCR on CalAssautl for many many months waiting on the RR to come out. Even without the Racial bonus the Amaar got I could reliably put 1 and 2/3rds magainzes through the weapon at near max RoF before reheat.
There are certainly combat situations where it happens but I think it's still a bit too generous for non-Amarr suits.
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Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.07.14 01:47:00 -
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Lynn Beck wrote:Laser rifles' damage increases based off of shots fired(going up at a steady .1 per shot or something), while heat for all weaponry is based off of time fired.
A laser rifle having a Heat bonus of 25% will shoot for longer, but one that has a RoF bonus will ramp its' damage up a lot quicker, dealing severe damage.
Thanks for the input...that's change my thought a bit.
Seems like the CDO should have the heat reduction bonus and the Assault the "RoF" bonus then, correct?
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.07.14 01:49:00 -
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Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:True Adamance wrote:Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:the ASCR might actually overheat (not a bad thing)
You know you say that like it doesn't happen. It really does. I know it does, True. I ran the ASCR on CalAssautl for many many months waiting on the RR to come out. Even without the Racial bonus the Amaar got I could reliably put 1 and 2/3rds magainzes through the weapon at near max RoF before reheat. There are certainly combat situations where it happens but I think it's still a bit too generous for non-Amarr suits.
I embarrassingly overheat suicided while rolling with Aeon Amadi the other day....... literally as we were talking about overheat penalties.
Back on topic though...... I am liking that peeps are accepting the Ultimate Suppression Fighter!
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DeathwindRising
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Posted - 2014.07.14 02:26:00 -
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Ace Mercenary wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Commando role bonus: 5% reduction of light and sidearm weapon PG/CPU per level. Amarr commando bonus: 5% increase in reload speed + 5% increase in reserve ammo for laser weaponry per level.
Caldari commando bonus: 5% increase in reload speed + 5% increase in reserve ammo for hybrid-rail weaponry per level.
Gallente commando bonus: 5% increase in reload speed + 5% increase in reserve ammo for hybrid-plasma weaponry per level.
Minmatar commando bonus: 5% increase in reload speed + 5% increase in reserve ammo for projectile and explosive weaponry per level.
Reasoning:Since commandos have 2 light weapons to fit, the assault's weapon fitting bonus would be much more useful on the commando. Reload speed alone is pretty underwhelming, adding an ammo reserve bonus as part of the racial bonus would make commandos able to engage in longer periods of time without needing to resupply; would be useful considering the lack of speed makes getting to nanohives and supply depots take longer. Actually I would be open to othr different racial bonuses for commandos, like rate of fire bonus. ____ Assault role bonus: 2% increase in damage of light and sidearm weapons per level. Amarr assault bonus: 5% decrease of heat buildup of laser weaponry per level.
Caldari assault bonus: 5% increase in hybrid-rail weaponry magazine size per level.
Gallente assault bonus: 5% increase in hybrid-plasma weaponry magazine size per level.
Minmatar assault bonus: 5% increase in projectile weaponry magazine size per level.
Reasoning:Damage bonus would make assaults more attractive. The Caldari assault reload bonus is pretty crappy considering the Caldari commando gets the same reload bonus in addition to a damage bonus. I have a Gallente assault level 5 alt account, and I find the Gallente assault bonus almost unnoticeable on my AR. Both the Amarr and Minmatar assaults have good bonuses; allows them to keep shooting longer before stopping from overheat/magazine-depletion. I would suggest giving the Gallente and Caldari assault magazine size bonuses to their racial weapons Assaults already fixed. Hotfix charlie is going to be the fix. Btw the hell is everyone using an AR on a cal assault .__.
Better general dps in cqc mainly since it doesn't have the charge up time |
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.14 03:21:00 -
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Assaults need a bonus to ganking quickly and regenerating their lower HP pool, commandos to suppressive/long term fire, and rely upon their inherently greater HP pool
Commando-
Role Bonus-5% reload speed per level
A-5% faster cool down on laser weaponry per level, 1% to laser weaponry damage
M-+1 to explosive weaponry clip size per level, 1% to explosive/projectile weaponry damage
C-5% to range and scope zoom with rail weaponry per level, 1% to rail weaponry damage
G-2% to plasma weapon damage/level
Assault-
Role Bonus-+1 armor repair rate per second, +10% shield recharge rate
A-5% reduction to heat build-up laser weaponry
M-5% clip size of projectile weaponry
C-20% reduction to spool time of rail weaponry
G-2% RoF of plasma weaponry
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
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Lynn Beck
Fooly Cooly.
Anime Empire.
2043
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Posted - 2014.07.14 03:25:00 -
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Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:Lynn Beck wrote:Laser rifles' damage increases based off of shots fired(going up at a steady .1 per shot or something), while heat for all weaponry is based off of time fired.
A laser rifle having a Heat bonus of 25% will shoot for longer, but one that has a RoF bonus will ramp its' damage up a lot quicker, dealing severe damage. Thanks for the input...that's change my thought a bit. Seems like the CDO should have the heat reduction bonus and the Assault the "RoF" bonus then, correct?
Corrext, however, as the RoF bonus doesn't increase the SCR at all(modded controllers not included) i'm not sure how that would fit for ARr Assaults.
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Jaysyn Larrisen
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Posted - 2014.07.14 03:51:00 -
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Lynn Beck wrote:Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:Lynn Beck wrote:Laser rifles' damage increases based off of shots fired(going up at a steady .1 per shot or something), while heat for all weaponry is based off of time fired.
A laser rifle having a Heat bonus of 25% will shoot for longer, but one that has a RoF bonus will ramp its' damage up a lot quicker, dealing severe damage. Thanks for the input...that's change my thought a bit. Seems like the CDO should have the heat reduction bonus and the Assault the "RoF" bonus then, correct? Corrext, however, as the RoF bonus doesn't increase the SCR at all(modded controllers not included) i'm not sure how that would fit for ARr Assaults.
Good point...with the laser it definitely changes how you have to approach this. I would be tempted to say something vanilla like then give the laser based weapon a mild damage buff similar to the current CDO suits but I'm pretty aware of what that would do in the hands of players on the better end of the bell curve that know how to land charged shots.
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