DUST Search - A real solution to Brick Tanking. (Ratatti)

Louis Domi wrote:

Fizzer94 wrote:

m621 zma wrote:

Fizzer94 wrote:

More Armor=Less Shields
More Shields= Less Armor

Basic Extender Penalty: -5% Total Armor HP
Enhanced Extended Penalty: -10% Total Armor HP
Complex Extender Penalty: -15% Total Armor HP
*

Basic Armor Plate Penalty: -5% Total Shield HP
Enhanced Armor Plate Penalty: -10% Total Shield HP
Complex Armor Plate Penalty: -15% Total Shield HP
**

*This could be explained by saying that Shield Field generators take up precious space on the hull of a suit, therefore leaving less room for armor and providing weak spots.

** This could be explainable by saying that stronger,denser and more complicated Armor Plating dampens the Field that Shield Extenders create.

Overall, this would heavily disincentivize dual tanking, and therefore brick tanking.

Your figures are totally biased towards armour tankers. Most people only use basic plates (except heavies) whereas most shield tankers run complex extenders.

They are identical.
Also, I would say that since the shield extender buff, the use of STD and ADV plates has probably gone WAY up.

No one should use std shields, 33 extra hp? that basically one shot from an AR. Alot of people though use basic plates, but mostly alot of scouts that are a bit tanky use ferroscale and reactive. So they don't get a penalty? Also what about the people that do shield tank, and use all of the shield mods? I'll use one of my suits for example: adv Cal medium frame 2 shield extenders with a energizer in the lows, 1 regulator and armor reps. It has only about 380 shields and 140 armor, with this penalty it would be at 100 armor or less. Now look at an armor tanker. In the highs are 2 damage mods(Nothing else really to put there) in the lows 2 armor plates and 1 rep. About 550 armor, and 100 shields.... I mean unless this guy REALLY cares about his shields, then it wouldn't really effect him. of course though for the shield tanker it just means less ehp to the already low ehp.


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knight guard fury Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 1100	Posted - 2014.07.13 01:24:00 - [1] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: More Armor=Less Shields More Shields= Less Armor Basic Extender Penalty: -5% Total Armor HP Enhanced Extended Penalty: -10% Total Armor HP Complex Extender Penalty: -15% Total Armor HP * Basic Armor Plate Penalty: -5% Total Shield HP Enhanced Armor Plate Penalty: -10% Total Shield HP Complex Armor Plate Penalty: -15% Total Shield HP ** This could be explained by saying that Shield Field generators take up precious space on the hull of a suit, therefore leaving less room for armor and providing weak spots. * This could be explainable by saying that stronger,denser and more complicated Armor Plating dampens the Field that Shield Extenders create. Overall, this would heavily disincentivize dual tanking, and therefore brick tanking. do you mean that for every armor/shield you put on you loose armor/shield or you just get less of the ones you put on? also, what about the minmatar since they are the only ones truly allowed to dual tank NOLifing Dust for the Officer Combat rifle Vherokior assassin I fight for the Republic and my life is for the Elders
knight guard fury Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 1101	Posted - 2014.07.13 15:29:00 - [2] - Quote Louis Domi wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: m621 zma wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: More Armor=Less Shields More Shields= Less Armor Basic Extender Penalty: -5% Total Armor HP Enhanced Extended Penalty: -10% Total Armor HP Complex Extender Penalty: -15% Total Armor HP * Basic Armor Plate Penalty: -5% Total Shield HP Enhanced Armor Plate Penalty: -10% Total Shield HP Complex Armor Plate Penalty: -15% Total Shield HP ** This could be explained by saying that Shield Field generators take up precious space on the hull of a suit, therefore leaving less room for armor and providing weak spots. * This could be explainable by saying that stronger,denser and more complicated Armor Plating dampens the Field that Shield Extenders create. Overall, this would heavily disincentivize dual tanking, and therefore brick tanking. Your figures are totally biased towards armour tankers. Most people only use basic plates (except heavies) whereas most shield tankers run complex extenders. They are identical. Also, I would say that since the shield extender buff, the use of STD and ADV plates has probably gone WAY up. No one should use std shields, 33 extra hp? that basically one shot from an AR. Alot of people though use basic plates, but mostly alot of scouts that are a bit tanky use ferroscale and reactive. So they don't get a penalty? Also what about the people that do shield tank, and use all of the shield mods? I'll use one of my suits for example: adv Cal medium frame 2 shield extenders with a energizer in the lows, 1 regulator and armor reps. It has only about 380 shields and 140 armor, with this penalty it would be at 100 armor or less. Now look at an armor tanker. In the highs are 2 damage mods(Nothing else really to put there) in the lows 2 armor plates and 1 rep. About 550 armor, and 100 shields.... I mean unless this guy REALLY cares about his shields, then it wouldn't really effect him. of course though for the shield tanker it just means less ehp to the already low ehp. thats not totally accurate. lots of peopole use STD shields, i use them for all my STD suits so i will still have enough cpu/pg. i almost always use STD with STD, ADV with ADV and Complex with Proto it just makes more since and i still survive more often than even if its just STD or ADV. its not always about having the highest EHP you know. NOLifing Dust for the Officer Combat rifle Vherokior assassin I fight for the Republic and my life is for the Elders