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DeathwindRising
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Posted - 2014.07.11 20:36:00 -
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anyone tired of getting shot by scouts, only to see them vanish the second after they think they wont get an easy kill?
scouts need to commit to the fight a bit more. giving them reactivation delays keeps them in the fight longer (so we can teach them error of their ways) and makes them think twice before dropping their cloak to ambush you.
i know the assault scouts would hate it lol, but idc. they shouldnt be a thing in the first place, theyre competing with assaults too well.
im also in favor of giving cloaks activation cycles. when the cloak is deactvated, the cycle needs to finish before the player can perform any other action, such as switching to a weapon, or another piece of equipment, and certainly before being able to fire a weapon. its a strong change though that may not be needed if assaults become better. we'll see.
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Brotherband
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Posted - 2014.07.11 20:51:00 -
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You do realize that if a scout fights in plain sight for more than few seconds he/she will die right. Cloaks are fine where they are, they only help if you know what you are doing.
Here is an example. If you cloak and run out in front of an enemy they will shoot you in the face which is would have been the outcome if you were not cloaked in the first place. The same will happen if you run straight up to your enemy, bullet to the face followed by several other bullets to bleed you out. If, however, you have the common sense to run behind the enemy you will be able to tear them apart and make a successful getaway. Lets face it, if a scout gets behind you your dead anyways. |
One Eyed King
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Posted - 2014.07.11 20:53:00 -
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There is already a condition that a cloak timer has to be at least 50% full before you can recloak.
Stop whining.
Not to mention the built in delay that freakin wheel use results in. Man I hate that thing.
This is how a minja feels
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DeathwindRising
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Posted - 2014.07.11 20:59:00 -
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sure, but the cloak still lets you shoot while cloaked. it also lets them do this:
cloak, sneak up behind you, shoot while cloaked, instantly recloak, shoot the next guy that comes to revive the first guy while still cloaked, recloak again, leave.
theres no risk in that unless theres a guy off in the distance that happened to be watching when the whole thing happened. in that case the scout dies. but scout brick tank so they dont die fast enough before they recloak.
ive seen it all man. not saying its not impossible to defend against them, but you need another guy to do it. i had a logi with precision mods on him once. we saw all the those stupid scouts clear as day. was awesome, and they all got pretty pissed too lol |
Brotherband
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Posted - 2014.07.11 20:59:00 -
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[quote=One Eyed King
Not to mention the built in delay that freakin wheel use results in. Man I hate that thing.[/quote]
I feel the same, but I don't make any suggestions because I can't think of a better way to switch weapons and equipment. |
Brotherband
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Posted - 2014.07.11 21:07:00 -
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DeathwindRising wrote:sure, but the cloak still lets you shoot while cloaked. it also lets them do this:
cloak, sneak up behind you, shoot while cloaked, instantly recloak, shoot the next guy that comes to revive the first guy while still cloaked, recloak again, leave.
theres no risk in that unless theres a guy off in the distance that happened to be watching when the whole thing happened. in that case the scout dies. but scout brick tank so they dont die fast enough before they recloak.
ive seen it all man. not saying its not impossible to defend against them, but you need another guy to do it. i had a logi with precision mods on him once. we saw all the those stupid scouts clear as day. was awesome, and they all got pretty pissed too lol
They fixed that glitch, if you think someone is hacking I would report them. |
One Eyed King
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Posted - 2014.07.11 21:40:00 -
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Brotherband wrote:One Eyed King wrote:
Not to mention the built in delay that freakin wheel use results in. Man I hate that thing.
I feel the same, but I don't make any suggestions because I can't think of a better way to switch weapons and equipment.
I once suggested being able to map buttons on the controller so I could use my directional arrows for something useful.
That should be possible with Legion especially on the PC, but there is no way they can make such a significant change without a client side update now, plus it sounds like it would take too much programming manpower.
This is how a minja feels
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DeathwindRising
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Posted - 2014.07.11 23:28:00 -
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Brotherband wrote:DeathwindRising wrote:sure, but the cloak still lets you shoot while cloaked. it also lets them do this:
cloak, sneak up behind you, shoot while cloaked, instantly recloak, shoot the next guy that comes to revive the first guy while still cloaked, recloak again, leave.
theres no risk in that unless theres a guy off in the distance that happened to be watching when the whole thing happened. in that case the scout dies. but scout brick tank so they dont die fast enough before they recloak.
ive seen it all man. not saying its not impossible to defend against them, but you need another guy to do it. i had a logi with precision mods on him once. we saw all the those stupid scouts clear as day. was awesome, and they all got pretty pissed too lol They fixed that glitch, if you think someone is hacking I would report them.
being able to fire the second the cloak drops amounts to the same thing. which could be the case i experienced. its still wasnt humanly noticable. all i saw was nothing in front of me, then damage and scout all at once. not sure which came first, which is my point. i was expecting an actual chance to defend myself |
One Eyed King
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Posted - 2014.07.11 23:43:00 -
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DeathwindRising wrote:Brotherband wrote:DeathwindRising wrote:sure, but the cloak still lets you shoot while cloaked. it also lets them do this:
cloak, sneak up behind you, shoot while cloaked, instantly recloak, shoot the next guy that comes to revive the first guy while still cloaked, recloak again, leave.
theres no risk in that unless theres a guy off in the distance that happened to be watching when the whole thing happened. in that case the scout dies. but scout brick tank so they dont die fast enough before they recloak.
ive seen it all man. not saying its not impossible to defend against them, but you need another guy to do it. i had a logi with precision mods on him once. we saw all the those stupid scouts clear as day. was awesome, and they all got pretty pissed too lol They fixed that glitch, if you think someone is hacking I would report them. being able to fire the second the cloak drops amounts to the same thing. which could be the case i experienced. its still wasnt humanly noticable. all i saw was nothing in front of me, then damage and scout all at once. not sure which came first, which is my point. i was expecting an actual chance to defend myself
If he was in front of you, while cloaked, you should have seen the noticeable shimmer or blurring. Keep an eye out, and you will catch on.
This is how a minja feels
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DeathwindRising
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Posted - 2014.07.11 23:48:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:DeathwindRising wrote:Brotherband wrote:DeathwindRising wrote:sure, but the cloak still lets you shoot while cloaked. it also lets them do this:
cloak, sneak up behind you, shoot while cloaked, instantly recloak, shoot the next guy that comes to revive the first guy while still cloaked, recloak again, leave.
theres no risk in that unless theres a guy off in the distance that happened to be watching when the whole thing happened. in that case the scout dies. but scout brick tank so they dont die fast enough before they recloak.
ive seen it all man. not saying its not impossible to defend against them, but you need another guy to do it. i had a logi with precision mods on him once. we saw all the those stupid scouts clear as day. was awesome, and they all got pretty pissed too lol They fixed that glitch, if you think someone is hacking I would report them. being able to fire the second the cloak drops amounts to the same thing. which could be the case i experienced. its still wasnt humanly noticable. all i saw was nothing in front of me, then damage and scout all at once. not sure which came first, which is my point. i was expecting an actual chance to defend myself If he was in front of you, while cloaked, you should have seen the noticeable shimmer or blurring. Keep an eye out, and you will catch on.
normally i do see them. but sometimes i cant, even when i know they are around or where they should be. not be able to force them out of cloak is an annoyance to me |
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Posted - 2014.07.11 23:54:00 -
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Brotherband wrote:DeathwindRising wrote:sure, but the cloak still lets you shoot while cloaked. it also lets them do this:
cloak, sneak up behind you, shoot while cloaked, instantly recloak, shoot the next guy that comes to revive the first guy while still cloaked, recloak again, leave.
theres no risk in that unless theres a guy off in the distance that happened to be watching when the whole thing happened. in that case the scout dies. but scout brick tank so they dont die fast enough before they recloak.
ive seen it all man. not saying its not impossible to defend against them, but you need another guy to do it. i had a logi with precision mods on him once. we saw all the those stupid scouts clear as day. was awesome, and they all got pretty pissed too lol They fixed that glitch, if you think someone is hacking I would report them. They actually didn't. They said they were going to implement it in a hotfix, but it got pushed back and never came up again.
Medium frame EHP is not medium
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Posted - 2014.07.11 23:57:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:If he was in front of you, while cloaked, you should have seen the noticeable shimmer or blurring. Keep an eye out, and you will catch on. Yes, because it's a completely fair expectation that people should be able to spot cloaked players that are visibly harder to see. God forbid the cloak player is standing still and you chastise another for not seeing that too.
Medium frame EHP is not medium
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