DUST Search - The Caldari Battlefield

Sergamon Draco wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

Zealot Devaurous wrote:

Adam, do you really think that Amaar beliefs represent the unity of thought? You close the possibility of the ideals as a templar. You were an inquisitor who helped destroy and pillage the ideals of so many tribes! Is the untity of thought only through your beliefs? Or do you want to destroy those who are only not united with you? Freedom is derived by independent thought, the belief that one can choose their morals and not close the morals of others.

Freedom, if such a thing has value in life, is derived from knowing and attempting to understand through the Word of God and His prophets the fundamental truths of existence.

Now I whole heartedly believe than a man or woman cannot know freedom unless they know utter subservience and submission before the naturally higher power. A man who is given his freedom by secular laws and policies laid down by the hand of Man is not a true Freedom and not the kind that I believe I wish from myself, my slave, or my people.

It is strange,that every person who are pro slavery in amarr culture.Are people who has not live in slavery.

*"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.


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True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 11752	Posted - 2014.07.10 20:05:00 - [1] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: We have not always fought them... Hmmm historically you might say the Caldari and Gallente have always been at war... if not on the battlefield then culturally and politically since the first of their ancestors introduced themselves as Gallenteans. "So you came back......My son, my Udorian son.....bearing the filthy blood of his heathen mother." - Eaderan Ouryon
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 11753	Posted - 2014.07.10 20:21:00 - [2] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: True Adamance wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: We have not always fought them... Hmmm historically you might say the Caldari and Gallente have always been at war... if not on the battlefield then culturally and politically since the first of their ancestors introduced themselves as Gallenteans. True, I was speaking battlefield wise... Not culture wise Man's existence is conflict and war. War is beautiful. War is divine." - Grand Admiral Mekioth Sarum "So you came back......My son, my Udorian son.....bearing the filthy blood of his heathen mother." - Eaderan Ouryon
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 11753	Posted - 2014.07.10 20:56:00 - [3] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: True Adamance wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: True Adamance wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: We have not always fought them... Hmmm historically you might say the Caldari and Gallente have always been at war... if not on the battlefield then culturally and politically since the first of their ancestors introduced themselves as Gallenteans. True, I was speaking battlefield wise... Not culture wise Man's existence is conflict and war. War is beautiful. War is divine." - Grand Admiral Mekioth Sarum Damn you and your quote! Are we talking about all mankind or just the gallente and caldari I suppose as the statements can be applied to all mankind so to can it be applied to the various sections of it. "So you came back......My son, my Udorian son.....bearing the filthy blood of his heathen mother." - Eaderan Ouryon
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 11754	Posted - 2014.07.10 21:25:00 - [4] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: Really? Indeed. By man's very nature, and the individuality we Amarr celebrate, its is only logical to perceive the fundamental nature of that individuality to be a conflict. One reason the concept of Uniform Thought amongst my people is so important. Where we see a natural contention and conflict within our very natures, we see a uniformity and peace within our spiritual beliefs by accepting God. "So you came back......My son, my Udorian son.....bearing the filthy blood of his heathen mother." - Eaderan Ouryon
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 11754	Posted - 2014.07.10 21:57:00 - [5] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: True Adamance wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: Really? Indeed. By man's very nature, and the individuality we Amarr celebrate, its is only logical to perceive the fundamental nature of that individuality to be a conflict. One reason the concept of Uniform Thought amongst my people is so important. Where we see a natural contention and conflict within our very natures, we see a uniformity and peace within our spiritual beliefs by accepting God. That was rhetorical... Not so. We Amarr perceive that there is conflict all around us and seek to right that conflict, we celebrate the knowledge that while we are as people are all individuals we reach the same conclusion in terms of our spirituality. "So you came back......My son, my Udorian son.....bearing the filthy blood of his heathen mother." - Eaderan Ouryon
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 11769	Posted - 2014.07.11 00:48:00 - [6] - Quote Laiod Klan wrote: True Adamance wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: True Adamance wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: We have not always fought them... Hmmm historically you might say the Caldari and Gallente have always been at war... if not on the battlefield then culturally and politically since the first of their ancestors introduced themselves as Gallenteans. True, I was speaking battlefield wise... Not culture wise Man's existence is conflict and war. War is beautiful. War is divine." - Grand Admiral Mekioth Sarum Fantastic quote. I have a whole book of them..... "Run and you shall be crushed. Stand and you shall fall. Kneel and you shall be saved" - Emperor Arrach Sarum. CE 21423 "So you came back......My son, my Udorian son.....bearing the filthy blood of his heathen mother." - Eaderan Ouryon
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 12253	Posted - 2014.07.26 11:03:00 - [7] - Quote Hawk-eye Occultus wrote: Laiod Klan wrote: Gallentean. Off with you. That... Is racist. You're racist. You horrible person. C'mon Hawkeye lets be honest....you are Galletean and filth that needs to be cleansed by the fires of the Faith "Your Faith stands as a shield for the Faithful, and you are one of His Angels." - Soren Tyrhannos to Templar Ouryon
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13146	Posted - 2014.09.01 01:54:00 - [8] - Quote Hunter Junko wrote: True Adamance wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: True Adamance wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: We have not always fought them... Hmmm historically you might say the Caldari and Gallente have always been at war... if not on the battlefield then culturally and politically since the first of their ancestors introduced themselves as Gallenteans. True, I was speaking battlefield wise... Not culture wise Man's existence is conflict and war. War is beautiful. War is divine." - Grand Admiral Mekioth Sarum I'll use this quote: " war is a drug. It starts with a taste, then it grows and grows until it becomes an addiction, then by the time we realize it, we thrist for it, and at the same time become desperate to find a way to stop it." War is but a means to and end, one that sees the unity of our two peoples by something far more eternal and secure than kinship. The last thing I wish for is more conflict. Peace and stability is what we must strive for, and given the history of the Minmatar peoples it seems conflict is the only thing that the Elder's respect. "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14913	Posted - 2014.11.21 01:49:00 - [9] - Quote VikingKong iBUN wrote: They're jealous of our freedom. Freedom means nothing until you earn it. It means nothing if you do not know utter subservience. A man who is simply handed his freedom never truly values it. I said, "Empress, I do this, I thought that you knew this. Can't stand non-believers and honest, the truth is...
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14913	Posted - 2014.11.21 02:06:00 - [10] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: True Adamance wrote: VikingKong iBUN wrote: They're jealous of our freedom. Freedom means nothing until you earn it. It means nothing if you do not know utter subservience. A man who is simply handed his freedom never truly values it. True... There is only one way to have true freedom, that is Anarchy, but nobody wants that. I may not be as 'free' as a Gallente citizen, but I what I have I treasure... Anarchy is not freedom, it is chaos. Truly being free is understanding the celebrating the uniformity of your thought. To know and understand at all times the correct way to act in the just and righteous manner befitting your station for your people, your Empress, and God. The only worthy freedom is spiritual liberation through the Faith. To be truly free is to understand this and know that path. He who is stripped to his very foundations is closest to God and able to transcend their earthly limitations. I said, "Empress, I do this, I thought that you knew this. Can't stand non-believers and honest, the truth is...

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15167	Posted - 2014.11.28 12:28:00 - [11] - Quote Zealot Devaurous wrote: Adam, do you really think that Amaar beliefs represent the unity of thought? You close the possibility of the ideals as a templar. You were an inquisitor who helped destroy and pillage the ideals of so many tribes! Is the untity of thought only through your beliefs? Or do you want to destroy those who are only not united with you? Freedom is derived by independent thought, the belief that one can choose their morals and not close the morals of others. Freedom, if such a thing has value in life, is derived from knowing and attempting to understand through the Word of God and His prophets the fundamental truths of existence. Now I whole heartedly believe than a man or woman cannot know freedom unless they know utter subservience and submission before the naturally higher power. A man who is given his freedom by secular laws and policies laid down by the hand of Man is not a true Freedom and not the kind that I believe I wish from myself, my slave, or my people. I said, "Empress, I do this, I thought that you knew this. Can't stand non-believers and honest, the truth is...
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15461	Posted - 2014.12.04 21:14:00 - [12] - Quote Sergamon Draco wrote: True Adamance wrote: Zealot Devaurous wrote: Adam, do you really think that Amaar beliefs represent the unity of thought? You close the possibility of the ideals as a templar. You were an inquisitor who helped destroy and pillage the ideals of so many tribes! Is the untity of thought only through your beliefs? Or do you want to destroy those who are only not united with you? Freedom is derived by independent thought, the belief that one can choose their morals and not close the morals of others. Freedom, if such a thing has value in life, is derived from knowing and attempting to understand through the Word of God and His prophets the fundamental truths of existence. Now I whole heartedly believe than a man or woman cannot know freedom unless they know utter subservience and submission before the naturally higher power. A man who is given his freedom by secular laws and policies laid down by the hand of Man is not a true Freedom and not the kind that I believe I wish from myself, my slave, or my people. It is strange,that every person who are pro slavery in amarr culture.Are people who has not live in slavery. That's not true at all. Many pirate groups practice and deal with slaves, from Sansha's Nation, who implant mind control devices in their victims, to the Blood Raiders, who either butcher their slaves or siphon them for blood in slave pens..... both ideals equally abhorrent. ((OOC Slaves are used by every specific racial group. Read Beautiful faces.)) In the Amarr Empire the idea of being a slave is one of social integration. The Amarr culturally have a great respect for age and piety. In order for a slave to be made a free man they must show they are pious and committed to adopting the faith. This might take generations but the benefits are plain to see. Freedom to live and work as a citizen of the largest empire in New Eden, protection under the law in the most stable region of high security space in New Eden, the promise to social advancement through service to the Empire. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15465	Posted - 2014.12.04 21:50:00 - [13] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: The slaves are not treated as bad as the federation would tell you. Because execution collars and mutating viruses that cause painful deaths if not constantly dosed up constitutes decent care, right? There is a reason billions upon billions of Minmatar wanted out, a reason the Federation intervened, and a reason the Jove helped them. That reason is that they are maltreated. To a Caldari wage-slave, perhaps it doesn't seem so bad. After all, most of you spend your lives toiling away for nothing, so poorly treated slaves dying by their millions isn't a concern. Numbers on a spreadsheet. That's all people are to the Caldari. How can you believe that programmes like the HEP are anything close to ethical? Minmatar slaves are butchered by the Amarrians for the slightest of reasons. The Amarrians even funded Sansha's monstrosities. And yet you still have the gall to say that they're not treated that badly. Treatment of slaves varies from Holder to Holder, and even then that depends on the Holder's political views, the political pressures on specific holders, and more so than not their dispositions. You assertions that slaves are butchered by Holder is incorrect and unjust as you cannot support such accusations nor are you privy to the personal life on any such Holder. As for the HEP? While not ethical it yielded certain benefits for the Empire which cannot be denied. Now to suggest the Empire knowingly supported the formation of the Nation is another foolish suggestion and equally as ridiculous as suggesting it was the fault of the Caldari because Kuvakei was born of their bloodlines, or the Federation was to blame for their cultural exchange that may well have shaped Kuvakei's utopian ideals. The thing to remember about the Nation was and remains that every empire see's them as a valid threat and an ethically abhorrent pirate group, and that each empire provided personnel and materials to the campaign in the Stain region to see his fleets and secret enclaves brought low. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15466	Posted - 2014.12.04 22:30:00 - [14] - Quote This looks suspisciously like the argument I had with Arkena in last year in YC 114........ I also realised that Raven is a cloned soldier based of Diana Kim..... *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15467	Posted - 2014.12.04 23:09:00 - [15] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Stuff I doubt either you have even met a Holder before. As such you comments are no more than hearsay and speculation borne of a general cultural bias against slavery and substantiated by low budget holo-films and second hand accounts of the coddled son of the son of the son of a Matari immigrant who claims to have been a slave. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15469	Posted - 2014.12.04 23:40:00 - [16] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: The vicious treatment of slaves and the lack of care from Amarrians killed two of the greatest scientists the cluster has ever seen, as well as crushed a bastion of co-operation between the Caldari and Gallente. You could equally morally justify that as two slaves having murdered the scientists, one of many reasons slavery continues to exist within the Empire, by consigning them to the fate of one respectable Hier that arguably before his encounter with the Speaker of Truth, the same speaker PIE escorted through Kor-Azor's region, and was redeemed. Within the Empire the empire there is no law against the exchange of slaves, only the slave taking itself, which was carried out by a neutral entity. Within the Empire that would have been the Kor Azor Heir's right. It it equally fair to lay blame on the State and Federation for pulling their funding and security forces from the project leaving them susceptible to the depredations of pirate organisations....an act that reflects poorly on your own people and not mine. Moreover the Crielere Project itself was rife with corruption and intrigue if you believe the unofficial reports regarding the origins of the Morphite technologies....not something I would hold up as a shining beacon of State-Federation relations. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15470	Posted - 2014.12.04 23:57:00 - [17] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Considering the Caldari openly stole the blueprints from the project, creating the initial instability, blame cannot be laid entirely equally. Regardless of the corporate backstabbing that ultimately sank the Crielere ship, I think we can all agree it was a tragedy. Touvolle and Umailen did not deserve that end. Nobody did. Why were slaves so poorly treated as to die in so short a time? That's hardly done with the goal of religious enlightenment. That's just cruelty. As I said that depends on the disposition of the Holder. The Kor-Azor Heir was, and I put this most respectfully, troubled in his youth and was subject to formal investigation and severely punished for his crimes. This is one example of a what happens when a Holder is not treating his sacred duty with the diligence it deserves. Other examples of Holder's who treat their slaves fairly and with the care they deserve exist, even if more so on a pedestrian scale. I for one do not treat my slaves unfairly, to suggest otherwise would cause me to name you a liar, nor would I treat those belonging to others in a disrespectful manner. Dr Adad's Wild Time, an example of a popular children's holo-show in the Empire, actively teaches the younger generations of Amarr to respect and treat their slaves fairly. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15479	Posted - 2014.12.05 01:22:00 - [18] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: I was thinking why we were arguing Well I want peaceful coexistence and I am opposed. I started to boil thing down to see who was right and eventually said. Viktor Revon wrote: In the end there will be no wrong and no right, no ruler and no subject. No master nor slave. You are who you lived as and I am who I lived as. At the end of the day all that matters is survival and time, so why argue about who is the evil and who is the good? Those are both opinions, and thus they are useless. But it does matter. One should strive to live righteously before the eyes of God. In the end we all end up in the same place. Dead. How you get there determines what rewards He gifts unto you after death. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15485	Posted - 2014.12.05 03:02:00 - [19] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: True Adamance wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: I was thinking why we were arguing Well I want peaceful coexistence and I am opposed. I started to boil thing down to see who was right and eventually said. Viktor Revon wrote: In the end there will be no wrong and no right, no ruler and no subject. No master nor slave. You are who you lived as and I am who I lived as. At the end of the day all that matters is survival and time, so why argue about who is the evil and who is the good? Those are both opinions, and thus they are useless. But it does matter. One should strive to live righteously before the eyes of God. In the end we all end up in the same place. Dead. How you get there determines what rewards He gifts unto you after death. In the end does it even matter? We may burn or freeze, but there is nothing about 'being a repeating video" and therefore we may thrive there too. It only matters the way you look at it and most of the time, it never matters. It always matters. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15505	Posted - 2014.12.05 09:54:00 - [20] - Quote Dimitri Rascolovitch wrote: Always I'll watch the night turn light blue... But it's not the same without you. Because it take two to whisper quietly... The silence isn't so bad till I look at my hands and feel sad.... Cuz the spaces between my fingers are right where yours fit perfectly. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.