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Forlorn Destrier
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Posted - 2014.07.11 18:12:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:We are all encouraged, through Racial Dropsuit Bonuses, to impart racial purity in our fittings.
Example: You get Bonuses to Caldari Weapons on Caldari Racial Dropsuits, Amarr Weapons get Bonuses via Amarr Dropsuits, etc.
Why not also implement Deductions for mixing it up?
Example: Gallente Weapons RoF reduced by 20% when paired with an Amarr Dropsuit, Amarr Weapons Overheat 20% faster on Caldari Frames, etc.
You may now Discuss.
1. Your suggestions are off; Amarr is opposed by Minmatar, and Caldari are opposed by Gallente. Minmatar and Gallente are allies, as Caldari and Amarr are allies. You would need to match the suits with the lore
2. I don't like the idea at all.
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Forlorn Destrier
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Posted - 2014.07.11 19:28:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:Rynoceros wrote:We are all encouraged, through Racial Dropsuit Bonuses, to impart racial purity in our fittings.
Example: You get Bonuses to Caldari Weapons on Caldari Racial Dropsuits, Amarr Weapons get Bonuses via Amarr Dropsuits, etc.
Why not also implement Deductions for mixing it up?
Example: Gallente Weapons RoF reduced by 20% when paired with an Amarr Dropsuit, Amarr Weapons Overheat 20% faster on Caldari Frames, etc.
You may now Discuss.
1. Your suggestions are off; Amarr is opposed by Minmatar, and Caldari are opposed by Gallente. Minmatar and Gallente are allies, as Caldari and Amarr are allies. You would need to match the suits with the lore 2. I don't like the idea at all. 1: They were placeholder suggestions. I never liked the idea that everything is either CvsG or AvsM. It's just dumb. Why can't we have mixed FW? Amarr vs Gallente? Minmatar vs Caldari? I've been criticized in this thread for limiting diversity, but it seems the work has already been done for me. 2: They can't all be instantly great ideas. Most great plans are formulated with discussion. I appreciate your input, whether in agreeance or not.
Lorewise, the Amarr at not at war with the Gallente. For example, you don't see the US attacking the Gaza strip simply because our ally (Israel) is. Proposed mechanics should support the lore, not the other way around.
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Forlorn Destrier
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Posted - 2014.07.11 20:14:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:Rynoceros wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:Rynoceros wrote:We are all encouraged, through Racial Dropsuit Bonuses, to impart racial purity in our fittings.
Example: You get Bonuses to Caldari Weapons on Caldari Racial Dropsuits, Amarr Weapons get Bonuses via Amarr Dropsuits, etc.
Why not also implement Deductions for mixing it up?
Example: Gallente Weapons RoF reduced by 20% when paired with an Amarr Dropsuit, Amarr Weapons Overheat 20% faster on Caldari Frames, etc.
You may now Discuss.
1. Your suggestions are off; Amarr is opposed by Minmatar, and Caldari are opposed by Gallente. Minmatar and Gallente are allies, as Caldari and Amarr are allies. You would need to match the suits with the lore 2. I don't like the idea at all. 1: They were placeholder suggestions. I never liked the idea that everything is either CvsG or AvsM. It's just dumb. Why can't we have mixed FW? Amarr vs Gallente? Minmatar vs Caldari? I've been criticized in this thread for limiting diversity, but it seems the work has already been done for me. 2: They can't all be instantly great ideas. Most great plans are formulated with discussion. I appreciate your input, whether in agreeance or not. Lorewise, the Amarr at not at war with the Gallente. For example, you don't see the US attacking the Gaza strip simply because our ally (Israel) is. Proposed mechanics should support the lore, not the other way around. We're Mercenaries. Not bound to any allegiance - except the almighty ISK. If we were all so steadfast in holding on to this Lore angle, then Gallente players and Dropsuits would be excluded from Minmatar FW.
Correct - and you can choose to accept a contract from any faction you choose, but you don't get to choose who your employers wants to fight against.
Since you are a contracted employee, you can use what you want (look at Boba Fett and the other contracted bounty hunters in Star Wars). But when you take the official gig and are part of the Minmatar military, and not a merc they hired, you would use their technology (again, look at Stormtroopers who all dress in the same gear). Sorry, but your arguments don't hold water.
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Forlorn Destrier
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Posted - 2014.07.11 20:42:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:Correct - and you can choose to accept a contract from any faction you choose, but you don't get to choose who your employers wants to fight against.
Since you are a contracted employee, you can use what you want (look at Boba Fett and the other contracted bounty hunters in Star Wars). But when you take the official gig and are part of the Minmatar military, and not a merc they hired, you would use their technology (again, look at Stormtroopers who all dress in the same gear). Sorry, but your arguments don't hold water. I never thought of FW as a military engagement. I always looked at it as Mercs collectively fighting for an ideal. Not a "nation". Your reasoning makes sense, in that matter. But, I stand behind the idea of limitations and taking the opportunity to start our own relevant lore in Dust. "That Caldari has no idea how to wield a HMG without overheating it." "Gallente phalanges are too fat to reload a Mass Driver with ease." Or, we can just keep rolling strict to the lore some fanboi made up 8 years ago, and not do anything original or more in depth. Remember that this is not the real world and historically true. It's just a story written by the players to provide themselves with RPG content while sitting around mining ****. We have earned the right to impart our own input in New Eden, not just blindly follow somebody else's story - word for word.
Your points here, to me, are more game mechanics than lore at this point. We lack the game mechanics to support the lore. What I mean by this is that we don't have a Caldari equivalent of the HMG, or a Gallente equivalent of the Mass Driver. In this regard, the mechanics fail us. Adding these, as opposed to restricting what can be used, would be a better concept
My point here is ultimately this: I don't agree with the idea of "addition by subtraction". Addition by addition is better. I'd rather we are rewarded with bonuses, then penalized with negative attributes. By doing this, we are not so restrictive in what we do. Perhaps once we have full weapon parity to go with the full suit parity, we can look at restrictions the way you describe, but that is a debate for another time. We aren't there yet.
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Forlorn Destrier
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Posted - 2014.07.11 20:55:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:Debate is why this is in GD, as opposed to me thinking "I'm 100% correct and this belongs in Features or Technical"
GG, Forlorn.
I've enjoyed the debate, and I think this is the right place for it. I just don't agree with the timing is all. 
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