DUST Search - Its not just the A-Logi that's "muddled"

Monkey MAC wrote:

Vitharr Foebane wrote:

Seymour KrelbornX wrote:

min scout is also fast.... that's kind of the minmitar trademark

caldari have great shield regen and are fast, amar are slow but have the greatest ehp gallente are between the two and minmitar have the lowest ehp but are the quickest.

so whats the problem?

the point is if we are RIPPING AWAY diversity for the sake of uniformity this should apply to ALL the suits that try to break the mold and not just one...

Except if Min suits are systematically faster than their systematically slower Amarr, what is the mold you are attempting to maintain?

I can see the reason for what Rattati is doing with A-logi, especially considering the Amarr Scout does the whole 'versatility' role better. What's the point in having the A-logi fill the same role but worse?

Light Suits: Relinquishes EHP for more speed - Mold maintained
Scout Specialisation: Versatile and Hard to detect - Mold maintained

Medium Suits: Relatively equal EHP and speed - Mold maintained
Assault Specialisation: Rugged and Adaptable - Currently not maintained
Logi Specialisation: Slow survivable, 2nd Rank Support - Amarr logi does not fit this mold

Heavy Suits: Relinquishes speed for greater EHP pool - Mold maintained
Sentinel Specialisation: Massive EHP, confined and stagnant in adaptiveness - Mold maintained
Commando Specialisation: Huge weapon damage, sacrifices HW for second LW - Mold maintained

Caldari - Long Range Shield Buffer Tankers Highest Shields, moderate speed - Mold maintained
Minmatar - Short Range Shield Rep Tankers, Lowest EHP , Highest Speed - Needs Shield Rep rate buff.
Amarr - Long Range Armour Buffer Tankers Highest EHP slowest speed - Needs more low slots
Gallante - Short Range Armour Rep Tankers, Highest Armour moderate Speed - Amarr needs to better buffer tanker

So the question is why does the A-logi need to exsists, it infringes upon the role of too many other suits, yet is decrepit when doing it's own roles.

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Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy Proficiency V. 1595	Posted - 2014.07.09 22:56:00 - [1] - Quote If the Amarr logi loses it's sidearm due to not being logi enough then the minmatar assault should have its speed nerfed to below the Amarr scout's speed after all we don't want the min assault to be too "scout like" Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault V Commando IV Logistics IV Amarr Logi without a sidearm IS NOT AN AMARR LOGI!
Mikey Ducati Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 157	Posted - 2014.07.09 23:04:00 - [2] - Quote This is what happens when you chase unicorns. My one question: why are we changing logis again?
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 409	Posted - 2014.07.09 23:05:00 - [3] - Quote min scout is also fast.... that's kind of the minmitar trademark caldari have great shield regen and are fast, amar are slow but have the greatest ehp gallente are between the two and minmitar have the lowest ehp but are the quickest. so whats the problem?
P14GU3 The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 794	Posted - 2014.07.09 23:07:00 - [4] - Quote Mikey Ducati wrote: This is what happens when you chase unicorns. My one question: why are we changing logis again? Because assaults suck apparently... makes sense. I only play dust514ums now. It was always more fun than the actual game anyways.
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy Proficiency V. 1600	Posted - 2014.07.09 23:14:00 - [5] - Quote Seymour KrelbornX wrote: min scout is also fast.... that's kind of the minmitar trademark caldari have great shield regen and are fast, amar are slow but have the greatest ehp gallente are between the two and minmitar have the lowest ehp but are the quickest. so whats the problem? the point is if we are RIPPING AWAY diversity for the sake of uniformity this should apply to ALL the suits that try to break the mold and not just one... Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault V Commando IV Logistics IV Amarr Logi without a sidearm IS NOT AN AMARR LOGI!
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 3525	Posted - 2014.07.09 23:20:00 - [6] - Quote You get my like. Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
Eko Sol Strange Playings 564	Posted - 2014.07.09 23:23:00 - [7] - Quote If you haven't posted your feedback in the official discussion thread then goto the link in my sig and post your distaste there. Post Distaste for A-Logi changes in Charlie here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2249908#post2249908
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3051	Posted - 2014.07.09 23:34:00 - [8] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: Seymour KrelbornX wrote: min scout is also fast.... that's kind of the minmitar trademark caldari have great shield regen and are fast, amar are slow but have the greatest ehp gallente are between the two and minmitar have the lowest ehp but are the quickest. so whats the problem? the point is if we are RIPPING AWAY diversity for the sake of uniformity this should apply to ALL the suits that try to break the mold and not just one... Except if Min suits are systematically faster than their systematically slower Amarr, what is the mold you are attempting to maintain? I can see the reason for what Rattati is doing with A-logi, especially considering the Amarr Scout does the whole 'versatility' role better. What's the point in having the A-logi fill the same role but worse? Light Suits: Relinquishes EHP for more speed - Mold maintained Scout Specialisation: Versatile and Hard to detect - Mold maintained Medium Suits: Relatively equal EHP and speed - Mold maintained Assault Specialisation: Rugged and Adaptable - Currently not maintained Logi Specialisation: Slow survivable, 2nd Rank Support - Amarr logi does not fit this mold Heavy Suits: Relinquishes speed for greater EHP pool - Mold maintained Sentinel Specialisation: Massive EHP, confined and stagnant in adaptiveness - Mold maintained Commando Specialisation: Huge weapon damage, sacrifices HW for second LW - Mold maintained Caldari - Long Range Shield Buffer Tankers Highest Shields, moderate speed - Mold maintained Minmatar - Short Range Shield Rep Tankers, Lowest EHP , Highest Speed - Needs Shield Rep rate buff. Amarr - Long Range Armour Buffer Tankers Highest EHP slowest speed - Needs more low slots Gallante - Short Range Armour Rep Tankers, Highest Armour moderate Speed - Amarr needs to better buffer tanker So the question is why does the A-logi need to exsists, it infringes upon the role of too many other suits, yet is decrepit when doing it's own roles. They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy Proficiency V. 1608	Posted - 2014.07.09 23:35:00 - [9] - Quote Eko Sol wrote: If you haven't posted your feedback in the official discussion thread then goto the link in my sig and post your distaste there. I have this is merely a helpful informative post pointing out some other non conformist suits that ought to get some attention if they are going to castrate the A-Logi Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault V Commando IV Logistics IV Amarr Logi without a sidearm IS NOT AN AMARR LOGI!
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy Proficiency V. 1609	Posted - 2014.07.09 23:41:00 - [10] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Seymour KrelbornX wrote: min scout is also fast.... that's kind of the minmitar trademark caldari have great shield regen and are fast, amar are slow but have the greatest ehp gallente are between the two and minmitar have the lowest ehp but are the quickest. so whats the problem? the point is if we are RIPPING AWAY diversity for the sake of uniformity this should apply to ALL the suits that try to break the mold and not just one... Except if Min suits are systematically faster than their systematically slower Amarr, what is the mold you are attempting to maintain? I can see the reason for what Rattati is doing with A-logi, especially considering the Amarr Scout does the whole 'versatility' role better. What's the point in having the A-logi fill the same role but worse? Light Suits: Relinquishes EHP for more speed - Mold maintained Scout Specialisation: Versatile and Hard to detect - Mold maintained Medium Suits: Relatively equal EHP and speed - Mold maintained Assault Specialisation: Rugged and Adaptable - Currently not maintained Logi Specialisation: Slow survivable, 2nd Rank Support - Amarr logi does not fit this mold Heavy Suits: Relinquishes speed for greater EHP pool - Mold maintained Sentinel Specialisation: Massive EHP, confined and stagnant in adaptiveness - Mold maintained Commando Specialisation: Huge weapon damage, sacrifices HW for second LW - Mold maintained Caldari - Long Range Shield Buffer Tankers Highest Shields, moderate speed - Mold maintained Minmatar - Short Range Shield Rep Tankers, Lowest EHP , Highest Speed - Needs Shield Rep rate buff. Amarr - Long Range Armour Buffer Tankers Highest EHP slowest speed - Needs more low slots Gallante - Short Range Armour Rep Tankers, Highest Armour moderate Speed - Amarr needs to better buffer tanker So the question is why does the A-logi need to exsists, it infringes upon the role of too many other suits, yet is decrepit when doing it's own roles. The mold being broken the fact that NO SLOWER CLASS SHOULD BE FASTER THEN ANY SUITS IN THE SPEED CLASS ABOVE IT! also have you ever had to hold the line and defend your uplinks while your teammates spawn knowing full well that if you die the point is lost...? Could you do that with out a sidearm? didn't think so... Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault V Commando IV Logistics IV Amarr Logi without a sidearm IS NOT AN AMARR LOGI!

Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 409	Posted - 2014.07.09 23:54:00 - [11] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: Seymour KrelbornX wrote: min scout is also fast.... that's kind of the minmitar trademark caldari have great shield regen and are fast, amar are slow but have the greatest ehp gallente are between the two and minmitar have the lowest ehp but are the quickest. so whats the problem? the point is if we are RIPPING AWAY diversity for the sake of uniformity this should apply to ALL the suits that try to break the mold and not just one... but we shouldn't rip away diversity... we should be speaking out against it..... if we make all logis the same except for racial bonus then there will be no use for any but the min with a 10% rep bonus... I think all races should have differences.... no uniformity except for within the race.
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy Proficiency V. 1610	Posted - 2014.07.10 00:14:00 - [12] - Quote Seymour KrelbornX wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Seymour KrelbornX wrote: min scout is also fast.... that's kind of the minmitar trademark caldari have great shield regen and are fast, amar are slow but have the greatest ehp gallente are between the two and minmitar have the lowest ehp but are the quickest. so whats the problem? the point is if we are RIPPING AWAY diversity for the sake of uniformity this should apply to ALL the suits that try to break the mold and not just one... but we shouldn't rip away diversity... we should be speaking out against it..... if we make all logis the same except for racial bonus then there will be no use for any but the min with a 10% rep bonus... I think all races should have differences.... no uniformity except for within the race. then help explain to ccp rattatai that diversity is needed Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault V Commando IV Logistics IV Amarr Logi without a sidearm IS NOT AN AMARR LOGI!
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 410	Posted - 2014.07.10 00:18:00 - [13] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: Seymour KrelbornX wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Seymour KrelbornX wrote: min scout is also fast.... that's kind of the minmitar trademark caldari have great shield regen and are fast, amar are slow but have the greatest ehp gallente are between the two and minmitar have the lowest ehp but are the quickest. so whats the problem? the point is if we are RIPPING AWAY diversity for the sake of uniformity this should apply to ALL the suits that try to break the mold and not just one... but we shouldn't rip away diversity... we should be speaking out against it..... if we make all logis the same except for racial bonus then there will be no use for any but the min with a 10% rep bonus... I think all races should have differences.... no uniformity except for within the race. then help explain to ccp rattatai that diversity is needed I posted in the Charlie thread... I'm trying but he also has IWS whispering evil things in his ear promoting these changes... I swear that guy is like the wormtongue of the dust community.
Atiim Fooly Cooly. Anime Empire. 10340	Posted - 2014.07.10 00:57:00 - [14] - Quote Matari Sentinels being faster than Amarr Commandos are not an inconsistency. They're both Heavy Frames, and similar correlations can also be found in the Specialized Medium Frames, where the Amarr Assault is slower than the Matari Logistics. Long Live The Anime Empire "You know what? You really, REALLY, like to dampen the mood" - Lea Silencio -HAND
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Cornballs Get Stonewalled 871	Posted - 2014.07.10 01:31:00 - [15] - Quote Seymour KrelbornX wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Seymour KrelbornX wrote: min scout is also fast.... that's kind of the minmitar trademark caldari have great shield regen and are fast, amar are slow but have the greatest ehp gallente are between the two and minmitar have the lowest ehp but are the quickest. so whats the problem? the point is if we are RIPPING AWAY diversity for the sake of uniformity this should apply to ALL the suits that try to break the mold and not just one... but we shouldn't rip away diversity... we should be speaking out against it..... if we make all logis the same except for racial bonus then there will be no use for any but the min with a 10% rep bonus... I think all races should have differences.... no uniformity except for within the race. While that's fine and dandy ( no offense ) but if that's the case then it should be a total reset of everything , like I said before I started 1.6 and as a Caldari I expected to Forge because next to sniping , it's what I like to do most ... Assault ( but with whatever weapon of MY choice and not have to worried about being gimped threw a racial bonus ) , Logistics ( since I love to anti-vehicle this makes since because my plan was to use items like PM's before the change and EVERYONE started to use them after the change , it has the most equipment so that's versatility and that's one of the major draws of this game to me and I could be helpful and medic the troops ) , Heavy ( I couldn't wait until this one because it was the only way that I could forge and you seen what I said before and also I would like to hold a HMG and just let loose ... I never thought abut scouts because , reading threw the forums ... that's all that use to post , so I like to play the background but when I seen the suit and the bonuses .. I thought , " What the heck ??? " and I specked but if I used NK's and SG's I knew that I would be dangerous but I don't . Now I have to double and triple speck into different races to do what my race doesn't do , when it didn't start out like that ... nor did I have knowledge of those changes except threw the forums and people talk about a discussion but that won't sway the real outcome . It's all the same and now I see why there wasn't any real infantry refund and that was because of all of the presumed future changes that were going to be implemented . You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.
Eko Sol Strange Playings 580	Posted - 2014.07.10 01:33:00 - [16] - Quote Seymour KrelbornX wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Seymour KrelbornX wrote: min scout is also fast.... that's kind of the minmitar trademark caldari have great shield regen and are fast, amar are slow but have the greatest ehp gallente are between the two and minmitar have the lowest ehp but are the quickest. so whats the problem? the point is if we are RIPPING AWAY diversity for the sake of uniformity this should apply to ALL the suits that try to break the mold and not just one... but we shouldn't rip away diversity... we should be speaking out against it..... if we make all logis the same except for racial bonus then there will be no use for any but the min with a 10% rep bonus... I think all races should have differences.... no uniformity except for within the race. Just throwing this out there. I think we (MinmaBros) are in better shape is all. Post Distaste for A-Logi changes in Charlie here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2249908#post2249908
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy Proficiency V. 1618	Posted - 2014.07.10 01:54:00 - [17] - Quote Atiim wrote: Matari Sentinels being faster than Amarr Commandos are not an inconsistency. They're both Heavy Frames, and similar correlations can also be found in the Specialized Medium Frames, where the Amarr Assault is slower than the Matari Logistics. thank you yet another non conformist suit a logi suit dares to be faster then an assault CCP FCKING NERF THAT SHT after all you wanna fck my amarr logi suit be fcking fair and nerf this logi suit that has no business being faster then an assault Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault V Commando IV Logistics IV Amarr Logi without a sidearm IS NOT AN AMARR LOGI!
aaaasdff ertgfdd Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 78	Posted - 2014.07.10 02:03:00 - [18] - Quote Seymour KrelbornX wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Seymour KrelbornX wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Seymour KrelbornX wrote: min scout is also fast.... that's kind of the minmitar trademark caldari have great shield regen and are fast, amar are slow but have the greatest ehp gallente are between the two and minmitar have the lowest ehp but are the quickest. so whats the problem? the point is if we are RIPPING AWAY diversity for the sake of uniformity this should apply to ALL the suits that try to break the mold and not just one... but we shouldn't rip away diversity... we should be speaking out against it..... if we make all logis the same except for racial bonus then there will be no use for any but the min with a 10% rep bonus... I think all races should have differences.... no uniformity except for within the race. then help explain to ccp rattatai that diversity is needed I posted in the Charlie thread... I'm trying but he also has IWS whispering evil things in his ear promoting these changes... I swear that guy is like the wormtongue of the dust community. Agreed.
THUNDERGROOVE Fatal Absolution 999	Posted - 2014.07.10 02:24:00 - [19] - Quote Seymour KrelbornX wrote: amar are slow but have the greatest ehp Woooo 60 HP, 100 with max skills. Yay totally worth being 0.8-0.4 slower than Gallente, Amarrica! Destiny Beta SoonGäó
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2143	Posted - 2014.07.10 05:33:00 - [20] - Quote So far as i can tell, the Amarr Logi's sidearm is completely incidental, and does not bear at on on the role of Logis or Assaults. It does provide interesting flavour and identity to the game however. I honestly cannot recall a single player complaining about the Ammarr Logi sidearm since it was introduced. Imo Dust loses identity but gains nothing from the homogenization of roles/suits Rattati is proposing. This is feeling a bit like CCP Z's proposed changes to the progression system, tbh. Regarding the speed of the Logi suits, I'm sure the beta vets remember when the logis were slower than the assaults - that proved to be a poor game design choice in many situations and it was eventually increased to be similar to the assaults they were supporting. It's disturbing to see arbitrary nerfs proposed for the Logis when we should be focusing on defining the Assault's role. Furthermore, changing the Logi and the Assault suits at the same time is needlessly destabilizing to the remaining playerbase. The Assaults should be given some love and re-introduced in Hotfix Charlie, Logis should remain as-is, and we should give the game/players a couple of months to find a new equilibrium. With that playtested experience in hand we could look at the logis again, if need be. PSN: RationalSpark

Lynn Beck Fooly Cooly. Anime Empire. 2028	Posted - 2014.07.10 06:02:00 - [21] - Quote The sad thing is, they've already nerfed the Minmatar Commando's speed, so now the ONLY thing the Commando made sense to be used for(being faster than the Basic Frame) is completely null, and i lose HALF my HP for it. Next they're gonna nerf Minmatar Assault speed, followed by Minlogi speed, then they're gonna buf ALL of the Amarr's HP pools, and then it's no longer "minmatar are worse than Caldari, but gain that pitiful .15m/s" but "not only are we the worst suit, but we gain NO bonuses or being the worst suit." Yea... GLHF. General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation
deezy dabest Sacred Initiative of Combat Killers 747	Posted - 2014.07.10 06:09:00 - [22] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: If the Amarr logi loses it's sidearm due to not being logi enough then the minmatar assault should have its speed nerfed to below the Amarr scout's speed after all we don't want the min assault to be too "scout like" EDIT more inconsistencies located min sent is faster then amarr commando hence must be nerfed We should just make every suit in the game have the same speed and slot layouts after all this makes balance much easier. Laser focused in a room full of mirrors. Everything you ever wanted coming SoonGäó just keep buying boosters.
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy Proficiency V. 1631	Posted - 2014.07.10 06:13:00 - [23] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: The sad thing is, they've already nerfed the Minmatar Commando's speed, so now the ONLY thing the Commando made sense to be used for(being faster than the Basic Frame) is completely null, and i lose HALF my HP for it. Next they're gonna nerf Minmatar Assault speed, followed by Minlogi speed, then they're gonna buf ALL of the Amarr's HP pools, and then it's no longer "minmatar are worse than Caldari, but gain that pitiful .15m/s" but "not only are we the worst suit, but we gain NO bonuses or being the worst suit." Yea... GLHF. the speed never got nerfed tho now that they wanna **** my logi suit it only makes sense that they nerfi ALL the minmatar suits that are faster then they should be.(basically any suit that is faster then the next "fastest" Amarr suit) Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault V Commando IV Logistics IV Amarr Logi without a sidearm IS NOT AN AMARR LOGI!
Lynn Beck Fooly Cooly. Anime Empire. 2028	Posted - 2014.07.10 07:54:00 - [24] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: The sad thing is, they've already nerfed the Minmatar Commando's speed, so now the ONLY thing the Commando made sense to be used for(being faster than the Basic Frame) is completely null, and i lose HALF my HP for it. Next they're gonna nerf Minmatar Assault speed, followed by Minlogi speed, then they're gonna buf ALL of the Amarr's HP pools, and then it's no longer "minmatar are worse than Caldari, but gain that pitiful .15m/s" but "not only are we the worst suit, but we gain NO bonuses or being the worst suit." Yea... GLHF. the speed never got nerfed tho now that they wanna **** my logi suit it only makes sense that they nerfi ALL the minmatar suits that are faster then they should be.(basically any suit that is faster then the next "fastest" Amarr suit) bzzt wrong. Commando moves identical to the Base heavy now. Sentinel is slower. In othrr words: commando is more useless than a Basic Heavy. General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation
Pvt Numnutz Prophets of the Velocirapture 1685	Posted - 2014.07.10 08:25:00 - [25] - Quote There is a difference between interesting racial traits and weapon slots that don't belong on a class. You don't see scouts with heavy weapons
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 3539	Posted - 2014.07.10 08:30:00 - [26] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: There is a difference between interesting racial traits and weapon slots that don't belong on a class. You don't see scouts with heavy weapons But you see heavies with light/side arms (NK). Run, hide in fear while you can for the Amarr Scout is on the hunt! Changes to the A-logi is the embodiment ofCCPLogic

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 3858	Posted - 2014.07.10 08:32:00 - [27] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: The sad thing is, they've already nerfed the Minmatar Commando's speed, so now the ONLY thing the Commando made sense to be used for(being faster than the Basic Frame) is completely null, and i lose HALF my HP for it. Next they're gonna nerf Minmatar Assault speed, followed by Minlogi speed, then they're gonna buf ALL of the Amarr's HP pools, and then it's no longer "minmatar are worse than Caldari, but gain that pitiful .15m/s" but "not only are we the worst suit, but we gain NO bonuses or being the worst suit." Yea... GLHF. when was the min commando speed nerfed? "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Lynn Beck Fooly Cooly. Anime Empire. 2028	Posted - 2014.07.10 08:37:00 - [28] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: The sad thing is, they've already nerfed the Minmatar Commando's speed, so now the ONLY thing the Commando made sense to be used for(being faster than the Basic Frame) is completely null, and i lose HALF my HP for it. Next they're gonna nerf Minmatar Assault speed, followed by Minlogi speed, then they're gonna buf ALL of the Amarr's HP pools, and then it's no longer "minmatar are worse than Caldari, but gain that pitiful .15m/s" but "not only are we the worst suit, but we gain NO bonuses or being the worst suit." Yea... GLHF. when was the min commando speed nerfed? In Bravo... It used to move faster than the Basic frame, now it moves identical. This is only on the Minmatar. With 2 kincats Commando goes 7.81, used to hit 8.2(?) basic heavy goes 7.81 as well. General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation
Denchlad 7 The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance 378	Posted - 2014.07.10 08:39:00 - [29] - Quote I cant comment on the viability of the A-Logi's sidearm, as im a Calogi, not an A-Logi. But I think I would be right in saying that the problem here is balancing a Weapon versus a piece of Equipment is very hard to do, and by creating the same dropsuit layout for equipment and weapons makes it far easier to balance versus potential sidearm changes in Hotfix Delta (which I assume is the intention?). Though personally I feel Logi's are fine as they are, I can understand the logic behind the decision. I will be the only player to Prototype every single god damn weapon before Dust dies. 3 to go.

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 3861	Posted - 2014.07.10 08:50:00 - [30] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: The sad thing is, they've already nerfed the Minmatar Commando's speed, so now the ONLY thing the Commando made sense to be used for(being faster than the Basic Frame) is completely null, and i lose HALF my HP for it. Next they're gonna nerf Minmatar Assault speed, followed by Minlogi speed, then they're gonna buf ALL of the Amarr's HP pools, and then it's no longer "minmatar are worse than Caldari, but gain that pitiful .15m/s" but "not only are we the worst suit, but we gain NO bonuses or being the worst suit." Yea... GLHF. when was the min commando speed nerfed? In Bravo... It used to move faster than the Basic frame, now it moves identical. This is only on the Minmatar. With 2 kincats Commando goes 7.81, used to hit 8.2(?) basic heavy goes 7.81 as well. There were no changes to any speed in Alpha or Bravo. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


Lynn Beck Fooly Cooly. Anime Empire. 2028	Posted - 2014.07.10 08:51:00 - [31] - Quote I'll hold off arguing then, but last i checked (about a week ago) my MinCommando was noticeably slower, and the stats reflected it. I'll go hide in a hole then. General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation
Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 4137	Posted - 2014.07.10 09:16:00 - [32] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: The sad thing is, they've already nerfed the Minmatar Commando's speed, so now the ONLY thing the Commando made sense to be used for(being faster than the Basic Frame) is completely null, and i lose HALF my HP for it. Next they're gonna nerf Minmatar Assault speed, followed by Minlogi speed, then they're gonna buf ALL of the Amarr's HP pools, and then it's no longer "minmatar are worse than Caldari, but gain that pitiful .15m/s" but "not only are we the worst suit, but we gain NO bonuses or being the worst suit." Yea... GLHF. when was the min commando speed nerfed? In Bravo... It used to move faster than the Basic frame, now it moves identical. This is only on the Minmatar. With 2 kincats Commando goes 7.81, used to hit 8.2(?) basic heavy goes 7.81 as well. There were no changes to any speed in Alpha or Bravo. Let's make it so there are no changes to Sidearm slots in Charlie CCP Rattati ily! AmLogi 5 GÇó AmAss 5 GÇó AmSent 4 GÇó CalScout 5 CalLogi, you're next!
Mortedeamor Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1803	Posted - 2014.07.10 11:23:00 - [33] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: If the Amarr logi loses it's sidearm due to not being logi enough then the minmatar assault should have its speed nerfed to below the Amarr scout's speed after all we don't want the min assault to be too "scout like" EDIT more inconsistencies located min sent is faster then amarr commando hence must be nerfed on that note the minmatar heavy shouldnt be able to run faster than the amar logi its a heavy frame amar logi is a medium frame nuff said nuff thinking..right??
DontChimpOut Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 15	Posted - 2014.07.10 12:02:00 - [34] - Quote Mikey Ducati wrote: This is what happens when you chase unicorns. My one question: why are we changing logis again? Because infantry complains, and things get nerfed. Where have you been all this time?
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 429	Posted - 2014.07.10 15:41:00 - [35] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: Seymour KrelbornX wrote: amar are slow but have the greatest ehp Woooo 60 HP, 100 with max skills. Yay totally worth being 0.8-0.4 slower than Gallente, the fact that a races strengths are not as strong as you would like them to be isn't a reason to abandon this template... it should be tweaked and improved, but not dismissed imho.


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